📡 Official Heisman finalists: Mac Jones, DeVonta Smith, Trevor Lawrence, & Kyle Trask

[Rolltide24]

Mark Ingram and Derick Henry would like a word with you.

Bingo!

 

[Rolltide24]

Good call. Since 2000, there have been 2 non-QB’s win the award. You know those 2 very well!

1999 Ron Dayne, 1998 Ricky Williams and 1997.... Charles Woodson (the last non QB/RB). Then Desmond was the next one and the last WR (1991). Before him was Tim Brown (1987). Looooong time ago.

Sorry if it’s jumbled wording. I put it in 2 different paragraphs. 1999, 1998, etc are not since 2000.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

So many objective views with those crimson glasses...lol

 

[94 Grad]

So many objective views with those crimson glasses...lol

Not sure it's really with Crimson Glasses... the media has promoted Smitty, Mac and Lawrence in the last few weeks so they seem to think it's a race between those 3 guys. Now, how the voters vote is a lot of politics too considering regional bias and where if any votes get split between Mac/Smitty. How it turns out is kinda a guess right now, but looking at betting odds puts Smitty in the lead follwed closely by Mac and then Lawrence being a very distant 3rd... so agian, I don't see crimson glasses being the issue here. Now it may not turn out that way... but this isn't wishful thinking either.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

@94 Grad

Orange glasses over the hill in SC....
Feel its dry and cut...TL

the southernvote may get split since they are southern boys...
Its really how the restof the country outside the south sees it...
I think Mac has great chance..
But seriously cant look past TL....he is an awesome football player ...and QB

the biases that pop up....are just that...
And i find it funny.... metrics maynot support it...31-1 or something does...running...laser arm... blowing bama out.... all factor in

 

[OldPlayer]

Tua outshined Lawrence and now Mac has. Lawrence can't hold a candle to either when it comes to performance on the field. Factor in the weak scheduling of Clemson and it just adds more fuel to the Alabama fire that the past two quarterbacks under center have smoked him. Tua beats him twice if he doesn't get hurt and Mac beats him this year if we simply go off of stats and actual game time performance. Mind you, Lawrence has just as many weapons as Tua and Mac if it dares even going in that direction.

Going head-to-head, Tua did not perform as well as Lawrence.

 

[BamaFan334]

Going head-to-head, Tua did not perform as well as Lawrence.

Some truth to that, but Lawrence was bailed out by his receivers all night long too if you go back and watch. I've been saying it since that night. one handed catches, tipped balls, just some very lucky instances that were not normal occurance. I know it doesn't matter when you look at the stats and who won, but as a whole Tua had the better career in my mind against top tier competition, and if you take away the injuries he would have the trophies as well to prove it.

 

[94 Grad]

Going head-to-head, Tua did not perform as well as Lawrence.

Maybe in score, but not in the stats... They were very similar.

 

[94 Grad]

Some truth to that, but Lawrence was bailed out by his receivers all night long too if you go back and watch. I've been saying it since that night. one handed catches, tipped balls, just some very lucky instances that were not normal occurance. I know it doesn't matter when you look at the stats and who won, but as a whole Tua had the better career in my mind against top tier competition, and if you take away the injuries he would have the trophies as well to prove it.

Love Dabo's quote... can you stop thowing crappy passes... around the 60 sec mark.

 

[OldPlayer]

Maybe in score, but not in the stats... They were very similar.

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Notice the QBR?

 

[Justneedme81]

Note the 2 interceptions he threw?

 

[OldPlayer]

Some truth to that, but Lawrence was bailed out by his receivers all night long too if you go back and watch. I've been saying it since that night. one handed catches, tipped balls, just some very lucky instances that were not normal occurance. I know it doesn't matter when you look at the stats and who won, but as a whole Tua had the better career in my mind against top tier competition, and if you take away the injuries he would have the trophies as well to prove it.

If ifs and buts were cherries and nuts . . .

Injuries can eliminate a good Heisman candidate from consideration, and it did. One-handed catches, tipped ball and lucky instances all contribute to a Heisman winner, as do fluke plays (see Doug Flutie). The key to comparing Tua with Lawrence is the quality of competition each faced. No one with a brain can say that an ACC schedule matches a SEC schedule. But voters look at the W-Ls, TD stats and INTs.

 

[94 Grad]

Notice the QBR?

two INTs one for pick 6 has a very detrimental effect on the QBR. The first interception/pick 6 was just an outstanding play by a DB on a different WR. The pass was just fine and I don't really fault Tua in that one. The second interception was a poor overthrown on a deep ball... It should never have been tossed up. That one is all on Tua, Unless #4 ran the wrong route or something.

Trevors stats were a bit loaded since one TD came on a 75 yard pass to a WR that was open when our DB trip at the snap and fell on the ground leaving a guy wide open for an easy TD on 3rd and 10 early in the second half. Also several circus catches by their young 6'4" receiver. Those were not good passes, but made into catches by a phenomenal WR play on the ball... it had little to nothing to do with Lawrence.

Plus, that was two years ago... what should that have to do with the Heisman this year... it's not supposed to be a career award, is it?

 

[BamaFan334]

Notice the QBR?

Wasn't Tua still recovering from an ankle too?

 

[BamaFan334]

If ifs and buts were cherries and nuts . . .

Injuries can eliminate a good Heisman candidate from consideration, and it did. One-handed catches, tipped ball and lucky instances all contribute to a Heisman winner, as do fluke plays (see Doug Flutie). The key to comparing Tua with Lawrence is the quality of competition each faced. No one with a brain can say that an ACC schedule matches a SEC schedule. But voters look at the W-Ls, TD stats and INTs.

Ok, and I said as much with the scheduling, so thanks for verifying my point

 

[94 Grad]

Where do you see an advantage for TL in stats this year?




I'm guessing you're the thought that TL is better is all because of what the media pushes or what your Bias may be... because the stats really don't support it and really it's not even close if you're honest with yourself.

 

[OldPlayer]

two INTs one for pick 6 has a very detrimental effect on the QBR. The first interception/pick 6 was just an outstanding play by a DB on a different WR. The pass was just fine and I don't really fault Tua in that one. The second interception was a poor overthrown on a deep ball... It should never have been tossed up. That one is all on Tua, Unless #4 ran the wrong route or something.

Trevors stats were a bit loaded since one TD came on a 75 yard pass to a WR that was open when our DB trip at the snap and fell on the ground leaving a guy wide open for an easy TD on 3rd and 10 early in the second half. Also several circus catches by their young 6'4" receiver. Those were not good passes, but made into catches by a phenomenal WR play on the ball... it had little to nothing to do with Lawrence.

Plus, that was two years ago... what should that have to do with the Heisman this year... it's not supposed to be a career award, is it?

Tua shouldn't have thrown either pass that was intercepted, but he did (he stared down the receiver on the pick-6 from the beginning of the play). As a result, his QBR went down. Sunshine didn't throw ANY interceptions that night - his QBR went up.

I agree that his stats from that game don't matter for this year (but some voters will include it in their voting criteria [He's only lost one game as a starter, blah, blah, blah])

Tua outshined Lawrence and now Mac has. Lawrence can't hold a candle to either when it comes to performance on the field. Factor in the weak scheduling of Clemson and it just adds more fuel to the Alabama fire that the past two quarterbacks under center have smoked him. Tua beats him twice if he doesn't get hurt and Mac beats him this year if we simply go off of stats and actual game time performance. Mind you, Lawrence has just as many weapons as Tua and Mac if it dares even going in that direction.

This ☝is what the Tua to Lawrence comparison is based on, not as a review of this year (which hasn't been stellar for Lawrence IMO).

 

[94 Grad]

This ☝is what the Tua to Lawrence comparison is based on, not as a review of this year (which hasn't been stellar for Lawrence IMO).

Statistically, it's his best year out of the 3 he's played... so....

Tua shouldn't have thrown either pass that was intercepted, but he did (he stared down the receiver on the pick-6 from the beginning of the play).

You just remember wrong... he did not stare down the WR. He looked to the LB and Safety and then snap/turned to the side and threw the ball. The DB on the Deeper receiver had eyes back to the QB and jumped the route... most likely due to film study and expecting the pass to go to Jeudy. He did throw it a bit behind Jeudy... but not by much.

Clemson strikes first on pick-six of Tua

Tua Tagovailoa's pass is intercepted by A.J. Terrell, who takes it to the house for a Clemson touchdown.

www.secsports.com

 

[BamaFan334]

Tua shouldn't have thrown either pass that was intercepted, but he did (he stared down the receiver on the pick-6 from the beginning of the play). As a result, his QBR went down. Sunshine didn't throw ANY interceptions that night - his QBR went up.

I agree that his stats from that game don't matter for this year (but some voters will include it in their voting criteria [He's only lost one game as a starter, blah, blah, blah])



This ☝is what the Tua to Lawrence comparison is based on, not as a review of this year (which hasn't been stellar for Lawrence IMO).

Tua won as many Natty's and Heisman's as Lawrence to this point. Lawrence probably had the better defense supporting him as well.

 

[Rolltide24]

Mac has better numbers all around than Lawrence this year. Heck, add 2 more games to Lawrence’s stats since he missed 2. No way he makes up 1,000 yards and 10 TDs and he’d have more INTs. He only threw 22 TDs the whole season, would take him 4-5 more games to catch Mac. Between those 2 QB’s, it isn’t that close. Trask is a different story.