If Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens aren't inducted into the baseball HOF, is it really the Hall of Fame?

[TUSKtimes]

Pleading ignorance here, but my guess would be a difference in anabolic steroids and some additive in a medicine or substance?

The rules don't work that way. In the NFL any first positive test will get you 4 games, 6 for the 2nd. In baseball, it's a 50 game penalty for first-time steroid offenders, 100 games for the 2nd. I recall a few years ago that Red Sox Manny Ramirez took a female fertility drug which is often used after a steroid cycle to balance the system. I guess he couldn't prove he was going for the big sex change.

 

[TerryP]

Ok, but it still doesn't make what they did acceptable. Wrong is wrong.

The steroids give the players an advantage over other players. Setting health issues aside, that's the edge these guys are looking for and you're right, according to the MLB it's wrong. Applying pine tar to a bat is wrong. Using a corked bat is wrong.

Yet, those last two cases are situations where we don't see the players accused being kept out of the Hall, or even a suggestion there should be an asterisk by their name.

**I do/did find it amusing that it was against the rules of MLB, but they didn't test to see if players were using. If that doesn't make the culpable...

 

[planomateo]

**I do/did find it amusing that it was against the rules of MLB, but they didn't test to see if players were using. If that doesn't make the culpable...

Ah, enforcement of policy, what a great idea.

 

[BamaFan334]

**I do/did find it amusing that it was against the rules of MLB, but they didn't test to see if players were using. If that doesn't make the culpable...

Ah, enforcement of policy, what a great idea.

I guess I see that like showing up to work. Yeah, you're supposed to be there at 8, but show up at 8:15. You don't get fired or maybe dinged for it in the beginning, but you know it's wrong and it was stated in your onboarding information. Once your job sees this as an issue, they will fire you for it, because at first maybe they stated it and didn't fully enforce it, but once you take advantage of them they are forced to enforce it.

 

[#80]

Clemons and Bonds have zero evidence against them, but because people “think” they know that they did is why they’re not in.

People like Arod or Big Mac is one thing because they admitted to it, but neither Bonds or Clemons have ever failed a test or admitted to anything.

You are ill informed.

Fish: Bonds' positive test didn't come from MLB

 

[ElephantStomp]

Clemons and Bonds have zero evidence against them, but because people “think” they know that they did is why they’re not in.

People like Arod or Big Mac is one thing because they admitted to it, but neither Bonds or Clemons have ever failed a test or admitted to anything.

You are ill informed.

Fish: Bonds' positive test didn't come from MLB

I’m not ill informed! If that was the case Bonds would’ve been charged and found guilty perjury, which he wasn’t.