🏈 How does Blake Sims compare to other QB's on 3rd down conversion passing plays?

[TerryP]

 

[riz]

Put in Coker.

 

[cjaytch]

Yeah but he only has to throw it for about 4 yards. How many times does he convert a 3rd and 10+ ???:sarc:

 

[bamafan4ever]

I bet Coker could have done it 65% of the time...or more!!!:sarc:

 

[UAgrad93]

10 seasons!!! Just think of the number of QBs that have gone through the 120+ schools during that stretch!!! DAMN!!!!

 

[planomateo]

8 of the last 10 Heisman's have been QB's as well - Bush/Ingram were the non-QB's.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

WoW! Humm, I wonder if he maintains this does he have a chance at Heisman provided we win the next 5 games?

 

[TerryP]

When Alabama passes on third down in SEC play: RB in the game is Yeldon on 30 snaps. Henry 6

 

[rick4bama]

Being a Alabama QB that is something great!

 

[planomateo]

 

[TheChief]

We're not seeing these comparisons as much now. I think Blake is in the 150s now.

Not that it matters. He does well in lots of areas, and Kiffen seems to keep him in situations where he can have great success (for the most part). I'm a convert. Maybe it will be bad luck if I say it, but I think the Tide wins out now. I'll gladly eat my crow about losing two or more games.

 

[TerryP]

That drop falls squarely on the LSU game where their defensive secondary ranks second in the NCAA.

 

[UAgrad93]

All of those deep throws on fade routes hurt. Those are really low percentage throws to begin with anyways.

 

[TheChief]

@TerryP comparing him to AJ, that was probably when his drop off happened as well. AJ's numbers were already there. Now Sims' has played a good defense as well. Blake will get to play a really bad Auburn team too. His numbers will rise.

Blake can do some things AJ couldn't. Throwing the long ball isn't one of them.

 

[TerryP]

@TerryP comparing him to AJ, that was probably when his drop off happened as well. AJ's numbers were already there. Now Sims' has played a good defense as well. Blake will get to play a really bad Auburn team too. His numbers will rise.

Blake can do some things AJ couldn't. Throwing the long ball isn't one of them.

We have at least three more games to go under Blake this season with a strong possibility of four or five. At this point, AJ does have higher numbers for 2013 than Blake does for 2014 but there's very, very little difference between the two.

Throws more 15-24 yards:

AJ: 62
Blake: 58

Throws of 25 or more yards:

AJ: 28
Blake: 21

Taking a look at third down conversion percentages for both, Blake has better numbers:

AJ in 2013:



Blake in 2014:

 

[TheChief]

Catch and run figured in, Terry, you know that. I'm talking about the ball in the air.

 

[TheChief]

Against Florida, when no one was within 25 yards of the receiver, Blake threw the ball complete a long way in the air. The vast, vast majority of the rest of his "long passes" traveled just a few yards in the air.

I see how you bristle when you think someone disparages Blake. No quarterback can do everything. Not even Sims. He does plenty well, okay.

 

[TerryP]

Catch and run figured in, Terry, you know that. I'm talking about the ball in the air.

What difference does that make? If Blake throws the ball 1 yard and the YAC are 24, and AJ would throw it 10 yards and the YAC was 15, they're both 25 yard completions. The offense is moving the same distance. It's established a deep threat. It's an explosive play which is a measurement our offense is graded upon.

Passing yards per completion Blake has about a one yard advantage over AJ right now: 13.55 to 14.44.

FWIW, the NCAA statistical data base doesn't record "how far the ball goes through the air."

Against Florida, when no one was within 25 yards of the receiver, Blake threw the ball complete a long way in the air. The vast, vast majority of the rest of his "long passes" traveled just a few yards in the air.

I see how you bristle when you think someone disparages Blake. No quarterback can do everything. Not even Sims. He does plenty well, okay.

I didn't take anything you said as disparaging to Blake. And believe you me, a conversation about football on this message forum isn't going to make me bristle even if our opinions differ.

This boils down to what is needed by a quarterback and his performances. The fact stands that we're getting virtually the same production out of both—which I never would have guessed if asked in the pre-season.

It's a bit funny, really. I think of some of AJ's "long passes through the air" and the ones that come to mind are some out of a flea-flicker or some other misdirection. Pointing to the long pass against Florida was a schematic situation; a direct influence of a new coordinator and a change, albeit minor, in philosophy between Kiffin and Nuss.

It's my opinion YAC (yards after completion) means little; especially when we are talking about opposing defensive coordinators. In both cases these passes are defending by having a safety playing deep/over the top.

NOW, that said, YAC (yards after contact) is a completely different story. There's a big difference this year with that stat and our running backs. But, I digress...

 

[UAgrad93]

@TheChief you know I'll take that 80 yd catch and run any day!! My longest completion for a TD in HS was for 75 yds. It was on a quick slant that the guy housed! I didn't complain!! You are correct about Blake doing things that AJ couldn't. There have been countless times Blake has escaped pressure whereas AJ would've been sacked or thrown the ball away.

 

[TheChief]

"Top Ten" passes AJ - Screen to Yeldon in the LSU game. Screeen against FAU! The rest shown here are pretty long passes. Pretty nice video for a nice walk down memory lane.