| FTBL First Floridas president, now Georgia's
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Good for them! We should have a playoff, but most just want the payoff. :lol:
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I kinda like the idea of a Plus 1, and even an 8 team playoff would be okay, anything over 8 is to many. It would devalue the regular season to much.
I'd love to see them either go to the Plus 1 or go back to the old Bowl system befre the BCS.
I'd love to see them either go to the Plus 1 or go back to the old Bowl system befre the BCS.
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Heres the thing about a plus 1 I dont like......Assume LSU was undefeated last night.....should they then have to play UGA/USC for the title?
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They have to play a bowl game.......hence plus 1
Lenny Kozlowski said:
The only downside to a plus one, is that they rely on post BCS game projections to determine who they would play. Of course, in a plus one, #1 wouldn't play #2,
Ohio State would have played Hawaii
LSU would have played USC,
so forth and so on. Then after those games we'd go back to the BCS standings, recompute and pick a #1 and #2.
I prefer the +1 also, it's far better than the BCS, but we'd still have arguing between UGA and USC on who should be playing LSU/Ohio State.
Besides, in a plus one, if Ohio State plays Hawaii, they probably win and would be in the title game because no one would jump over OHNO state in the standings, so I'm not sure what it buys us.
The only way a +1 works if you have #1 play #4, and #2 play #3. Then you pick the two winners from that.
Looks Like Someone Else Is Tired of the ESPN / BCS BS
Georgia president proposes 8-team playoffs
"[President] Adams insisted he was prepared to advance the proposal even if Georgia had played in the title game.
'It is a matter of fairness and equity,' he said.
Adams said he was influenced by players and coaches. He added that he would let Mark Richt speak for himself, but the Georgia coach had been "positive" in discussions about a playoff.
Adams is frustrated by the power of the television networks, particularly ESPN, and of the commissioners of the bowls and conferences.
'The television networks — particularly the one that controls the majority of regular season and postseason games — have grown powerful in deciding who plays and when they play, and, indeed, whom they hire to coach,' Adams wrote in a letter to NCAA president Myles Brand.
'The Bowl Championship Series has become a beauty contest largely stage-managed by the networks, which in turn protect the interests of their own partner conferences.'
He said the commissioners of the conferences and the bowls are guilty of 'closed-circle decision-making based on traditional contract alliances. It is time to take the ultimate power out of their hands and give it to the student-athletes on the field.'"
Georgia president proposes 8-team playoffs
"[President] Adams insisted he was prepared to advance the proposal even if Georgia had played in the title game.
'It is a matter of fairness and equity,' he said.
Adams said he was influenced by players and coaches. He added that he would let Mark Richt speak for himself, but the Georgia coach had been "positive" in discussions about a playoff.
Adams is frustrated by the power of the television networks, particularly ESPN, and of the commissioners of the bowls and conferences.
'The television networks — particularly the one that controls the majority of regular season and postseason games — have grown powerful in deciding who plays and when they play, and, indeed, whom they hire to coach,' Adams wrote in a letter to NCAA president Myles Brand.
'The Bowl Championship Series has become a beauty contest largely stage-managed by the networks, which in turn protect the interests of their own partner conferences.'
He said the commissioners of the conferences and the bowls are guilty of 'closed-circle decision-making based on traditional contract alliances. It is time to take the ultimate power out of their hands and give it to the student-athletes on the field.'"
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Before I retort, let me say that I hate the current system. It has to be fixed, but it's going to be much harder than I or most other people realize. A guy on the radio (who also hates the current system) made his case today. Basically what it boils down to is that you can't have these teams playing all over the country like you do in b-ball. There simply won't be the prep time, fan support or money to transport & house the team. Face it, let's say WVU and Michigan St. are in the first round, which is played in LA. How many people are gonna go to that? And how good will the winner play if after playing it has to pack up and fly to Chicago to play again? And if they win, have to fly to Miami to play for it all? There's a reason that the conferences are all geographically aligned. It's all about the money.
bamaupsman said:
I understand what you are saying, but what gets me is that colleges in other divisions (II and III) with smaller fan bases and lesser resources than the FBS (old Division 1) schools have been participating in playoff systems for years.
Aren't these smaller schools scattered all over the country, some in remote and inconvenient locations in terms of cities and population? Aren't these smaller schools on similar academic systems as the Division 1 schools? They (Divisions II and III schools) seem to handle travel logistics, exam loads, and season schedules okay despite their respective playoff systems.
A lot of the excuses that the BCS Committee and Division 1 school presidents use to keep from going to a playoff system are baloney and I cannot believe folks keep eating it. :evil:
*Note - Out of habit I continue to call the big schools and conferences "Division 1," though I know the name of the division has changed.
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Playoffs?....Playoffs?!
Sauce said:
Yes, but that's better than letting a computer decide who's #1 and #2. This at least gives the top 4 teams a shot to prove they deserve to be #1 and #2.
If we keep 5 BCS games, do you think the #10 team beats the #1 team or the #9 beats the #2? What a 1 in a 100 chance? Where as the odds of the #4 team beating the #1 team is somewhere on the order of 2 in 5.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer an 8 team playoff myself if the logistics could be worked, but if we goto a plus one, having #1 play #10 (or 8) and #2 play #9 (or 7) doesn't buy much. All it would do is weed out Notre Dame if they got the #1 ranking
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bear facts said:
I see where you're coming from, but the DII schools need much less money than the big boys to take care of their team, and they play at each other's stadiums, I believe. That means someone's not traveling. Personally, I liked the system that was in place before the BCS came in. At least then all the big bowls meant something. And you didn't have a damn computer deciding the NC.
Easy to take care of, have a corporation or two sponsor each round of the playoff, heck they are willing to sponsor anything else
.They can do this in this playoff if they would like
I like how we got jipped of a 3rd straight MNC in 1966 by the sports media. At least with the computer polls they are non-biased, and can't be influenced by ESPN or anyone else.
ghice said:
Easy to take care of, have a corporation or two sponsor each round of the playoff, heck they are willing to sponsor anything else
They can do this in this playoff if they would like
I like how we got jipped of a 3rd straight MNC in 1966 by the sports media. At least with the computer polls they are non-biased, and can't be influenced by ESPN or anyone else.
One of the primary components of the computer polls is the human polls. They differ because they take things like opponents records, and to a small degree strength of schedule into account.
TerryP said:ghice said:
Easy to take care of, have a corporation or two sponsor each round of the playoff, heck they are willing to sponsor anything else
They can do this in this playoff if they would like
I like how we got jipped of a 3rd straight MNC in 1966 by the sports media. At least with the computer polls they are non-biased, and can't be influenced by ESPN or anyone else.
One of the primary components of the computer polls is the human polls. They differ because they take things like opponents records, and to a small degree strength of schedule into account.
Another reason we need a playoff
shipley00 said:Sauce said:If we keep 5 BCS games, do you think the #10 team beats the #1 team or the #9 beats the #2? What a 1 in a 100 chance? Where as the odds of the #4 team beating the #1 team is somewhere on the order of 2 in 5.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer an 8 team playoff myself if the logistics could be worked, but if we goto a plus one, having #1 play #10 (or 8) and #2 play #9 (or 7) doesn't buy much. All it would do is weed out Notre Dame if they got the #1 ranking
It depends on if #9 and #10 are from the SEC
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My FWIW, I like an 8 team set up.
Even if the Pre-tourney BCS jips some team, the tourney winner's claim can not be challenged.
The WORST case scenario is that we have an undefeated #9 seed win it's bowl game (which we would still have), and then verbally challenge the Champion who started as the #8 and beat the #1, then the #5, and then the #3 for the title. That is two more games and two more wins vs. top 5 teams that the #9 can not claim, despite being undefeated.
I do not like dropping a game off every D1 schedule just so 4-8 teams are not overly taxed. That hurts everyone trying to make gate $.
Even if the Pre-tourney BCS jips some team, the tourney winner's claim can not be challenged.
The WORST case scenario is that we have an undefeated #9 seed win it's bowl game (which we would still have), and then verbally challenge the Champion who started as the #8 and beat the #1, then the #5, and then the #3 for the title. That is two more games and two more wins vs. top 5 teams that the #9 can not claim, despite being undefeated.
I do not like dropping a game off every D1 schedule just so 4-8 teams are not overly taxed. That hurts everyone trying to make gate $.
