🏈 Dareus declared ineligible. For now anyway.

[Kirk Van de Graaff]

U guys mindset is part of the problem. It's the kids fault for making a bad choice (IF he made it). Yes, if he allowed an agent to pay for him to come down to a party and pay for anything else, he is just as much at fault as the piece of crap agent. However, if he was invited to a party and simply went, then we should throw him under the bus? Seriously, u could at least wait until all the facts are out.

Way to go man. I fully agree, get the facts first. Here is hoping the truth will come out, and this mess will be cleared up. A lot of the reaction here will happen because of prior problems with NCAA, and fear of investigations and such. We (Alabama) haven't had much luck in that regard, but I feel comfortable with Coach Saban running things.

 

[Phil]

Take this with a grain of salt. Its coming from one of those "I know a guy who works with a guy who has an uncle who..." kinds of sources, but I trust it enough to believe it. Anyways....

1) Dareus has receipts that show he and/or his family paid for the trip. 2) He left the party when he found out who was hosting it. 3) The athletic department was far more worried about the fishing trip last year than they are about this.

Take it or leave it.

 

[LBS]

Take this with a grain of salt. Its coming from one of those "I know a guy who works with a guy who has an uncle who..." kinds of sources, but I trust it enough to believe it. Anyways....

1) Dareus has receipts that show he and/or his family paid for the trip. 2) He left the party when he found out who was hosting it. 3) The athletic department was far more worried about the fishing trip last year than they are about this.

Take it or leave it.

Even if your third hand rumor is 100% true, the issue is far from over. This has less to do with Guilty vs. Innocent and more to do with HOW LONG IT TAKES TO PROVE THAT THE PROGRAM HAS NO CONNECTION WITH GUILT.

Darius could be as innocent as I am, but until he proves that to the NCAA his playing time may resemble mine as well.


(BTW, if the source can't be quoted here, it can't be used to help the TIDE. There is no value in keep a truth teller a secret.)

 

[Oiler99]

Why is Marcel the only one with the national spotlight on him? I mean, if this thing had as many players as they are claiming, why are they spinning it to sound like Marcel is the only one that did anything wrong? More anti-Bama, pro-anything-but-Bama media horse sh*t. They make it sound like all those other players from all those other programs who were at this "event" are blameless and Marcel committed every violation he could think of. We are being singled out once again by the NCAA.

 

[planomateo]

Why is Marcel the only one with the national spotlight on him?

My thoughts...1) it's SEC media days 2) he was defensive mvp of mnc game 3) got a TD against texas 4) is gonna be a beast this year and everyone expects it 5) he took colt outta the game 6) he took colt outta the game 7) he took colt outta the game .....

I haven't heard it spun like he was the only person, so not sure who you are listening to or reading...maybe you should change your source of input.

 

[Oiler99]

My thoughts...1) it's SEC media days 2) he was defensive mvp of mnc game 3) got a TD against texas 4) is gonna be a beast this year and everyone expects it 5) he took colt outta the game 6) he took colt outta the game 7) he took colt outta the game .....

I haven't heard it spun like he was the only person, so not sure who you are listening to or reading...maybe you should change your source of input.

More like they are implying that the other players from other programs aren't guilty of anything. That's just the way it feels anyway. Not so much "heat" on them as there seems to be on MD.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

did u just decide to completely skip over this part...

"It is standard procedure for a player to be declared ineligible immediately whenever a question of whether the player violated NCAA rules arises."

Saban didnt suspend him. At least know the facts before speaking on something.

U guys mindset is part of the problem. It's the kids fault for making a bad choice (IF he made it). Yes, if he allowed an agent to pay for him to come down to a party and pay for anything else, he is just as much at fault as the piece of crap agent. However, if he was invited to a party and simply went, then we should throw him under the bus? Seriously, u could at least wait until all the facts are out.

Few things here:
1.) Your right, I missed the fact that he was ruled ineligible instead of suspended. Big, Big difference. Either way, he will not play a down until this is cleared up if at all. Either way, Dareus nor UA wouldn't be in this mess hadn't he gone. Correct? Or am I jumping the gun on that observation too?

2.) Well I certainly won't be upset if Dareus is cleared of this mess. It does seem like he was exploited considering the passing of his mother before his trip. People just don't think straight when they lose somebody close to them. Dareus is already paying for this mistake. I feel bad for the kid but rules are rules despite how much they suck, especially considering the timing in someones life.

3.) Speaking of timing...I case you've forgot about it, UA has been getting hosed by the NCAA over the last 20 years. We are not exactly on their gold star list. We are currently under probation. J Harris was ruled ineligible for 6 games last season... the national championship season. Andre Smith was ineligible for the Sugar Bowl last year too. Alabama has been targeted like mad the past 20 years by agents & the NCAA alike. Why? Because they can. We are & have been an easy target. Due diligence is the premium that everybody at UA needs paying right now. ANY hint of misconduct is not welcome & should be dealt with accordingly. I believe this attitude has been embraced as for the most part in the program but it only takes a ONE person to screw it all up. SEE -->Reggie Bush, Antonio Langham, Andre Smith, Albert Means, the list goes on & on.

4.) BTW enough facts are out there, some of which are by Dareus' own admission, so much so that he has been declared ineligible. Dareus went, nobody made him go. Does that fact mean that we are throwing him under the bus? No dice.

I will not pretend to know your mindset, Dr. Frued, but it seems there are some key FACTS you are not recognizing.

 

[Southern Bama]

Lotta info still to come out of this.....My preference would be to give the young man the benefit of the doubt. So many wolves in sheeps clothing out there looking to exploit the kids....and they have years of experience in doing so. What may appear to be absolutely harmless on the surface could hold disastrous consequences. My initial reaction to this whole thing is that it will blow over soon enough with little or no lasting effects.

 

[bamaupsman]

yea ur right, lets blame the 19 year old without having ANY facts on the story. another good ole bama fan ready to throw a player under the bus...

Yeah, I know I'm right. These players know the rules. They're bombarded with them before and during their college careers. I didn't say anything that threw him "under the bus". But he is responsible for his actions. That's life.
And learn how to spell "your". This isn't ebonics class.

 

[JoshB]

Yeah, I know I'm right. These players know the rules. They're bombarded with them before and during their college careers. I didn't say anything that threw him "under the bus". But he is responsible for his actions. That's life.
And learn how to spell "your". This isn't ebonics class.

No it's the damn internet u jackass. It's called shorthand. This may not be an ebonics class (which was just a retarded comment, u have no idea what ebonics is apparently) but its not an English class either ------.

 

[LBS]

No it's the damn internet u jackass. It's called shorthand. This may not be an ebonics class (which was just a retarded comment, u have no idea what ebonics is apparently) but its not an English class either .

How about the both of you achkowledge that this forum is a community that include women and children, then post an apology to them all for the profanity and classless, childish banter.

 

[JoshB]

How about the both of you achkowledge that this forum is a community that include women and children, then post an apology to them all for the profanity and classless, childish banter.

ill apologize (and delete) my one comment at the end but i wont apologize for anything else, man. sorry.

 

[bamafan4ever]

Awright yousns. Don't make me skeegie yo mouths out with soap!! :swear:

 

[Rolling Tide]

Yeah, I know I'm right. These players know the rules. They're bombarded with them before and during their college careers. I didn't say anything that threw him "under the bus". But he is responsible for his actions. That's life.
And learn how to spell "your". This isn't ebonics class.

You just had to go there didnt you! LOL

 

[AlabamaAubKiller]

It's called FREEDOM of SPEECH. And some ones kid/husband/father died to protect that right today.
As classless as profanity may seem, unless it's speaking the Lords name in vain, it is a protected right.
(and even THAT is portected under the US contsatution)
I therefore am personally not offended. What does offend me is the infrengement of that right and the
disregard of the blood spilled to preserve it by those who would attempt to infringe that right of another American.
THAT is more offensive to me than anything anyone could sayin public, or post on a message board.

IMO the Kausler artical pretty much sets it stright. As long as recipts can be provided....he should be in the clear and ready to go by the Penn st. game.
He's getting a bum rap, and he was taken advantige of at a vernable time in his life. Loosing a parent is one ofthe hardest things you'll ever go through.
Having lost mine i can understand. It's a wonder i didn't go to jail for braking a window with a chair @ UAB the night my mother past. So you don't tend to think clealy in that situation. Does he KNOW better. of course. But i don't think he intenttionaly broke the rules and i belived he was tricked.
And the sleezeball agent...needs a prison cell with bubba. That or a cemetary plot.

 

[LBS]

It's called FREEDOM of SPEECH. And some ones kid/husband/father died to protect that right today.
As classless as profanity may seem, unless it's speaking the Lords name in vain, it is a protected right.
(and even THAT is portected under the US contsatution)
I therefore am personally not offended. What does offend me is the infrengement of that right and the
disregard of the blood spilled to preserve it by those who would attempt to infringe that right of another American.
THAT is more offensive to me than anything anyone could sayin public, or post on a message board.

IMO the Kausler artical pretty much sets it stright. As long as recipts can be provided....he should be in the clear and ready to go by the Penn st. game.
He's getting a bum rap, and he was taken advantige of at a vernable time in his life. Loosing a parent is one ofthe hardest things you'll ever go through.
Having lost mine i can understand. It's a wonder i didn't go to jail for braking a window with a chair @ UAB the night my mother past. So you don't tend to think clealy in that situation. Does he KNOW better. of course. But i don't think he intenttionaly broke the rules and i belived he was tricked.
And the sleezeball agent...needs a prison cell with bubba. That or a cemetary plot.

Just because my Grandmother can wear a Borat Swimsuit to Church doesn't mean that she should. It not about RIGHTS, its about grown ups acting like grown ups and exercising Class, Control, and the English language.

As someone who has and will deploy into combat, I don't go to war so that some piece of dung yahoo can drop the F-Bomb in the Elementary School Music receiptal. That as "a right" is the work of lawyers stretching rules intended to say we can express our like/dislike of God, "King", and Country. Its the "mile" that was taken when we gave "an inch", and that is not what troops shed blood for.

Discretion, like the kind that was rightly used in a measured manner the night you broke the window, is what I call for. Thats the same discretion I believe you call for WRT Darius (understanably so). The lack of discretion historically used by the NCAA is what has all of use fired up to start with. (And by the way, I'm not deploying to protect the NCAA. )

 

[Rolling Tide]

Actually you when you signed up for the site you agreed to not use words like this. So it is really more about the rules of the board.

 

[RollTideinGA]

It's called FREEDOM of SPEECH. And some ones kid/husband/father died to protect that right today.
As classless as profanity may seem, unless it's speaking the Lords name in vain, it is a protected right.

Yeah, NO. I served in the US Army, my grandfathers and their fathers served in Korea & WWII. I have traced ancestors back to the Revolution and Civil War.

The freedom of speech you are trying to use as an excuse for profanity is NOT for that language. Freedom of speech means that the people of this fine democracy can speak out against their government and the press can publish arguments against the government.

Not for someone to use offensive language or hate speech. Freedom of speech is the most abused and incorrrectly used part of the Constitution next to the right to bear arms.

Plus the rules of the forum will override all of that.

 

[RollTideinGA]

As someone who has and will deploy into combat, I don't go to war so that some piece of dung yahoo can drop the F-Bomb in the Elementary School Music receiptal. That as "a right" is the work of lawyers stretching rules intended to say we can express our like/dislike of God, "King", and Country. Its the "mile" that was taken when we gave "an inch", and that is not what troops shed blood for.

(And by the way, I'm not deploying to protect the NCAA. )

Bingo! You got it brother. Love the last comment by the way.

 

[bamafan4ever]

It's called FREEDOM of SPEECH. And some ones kid/husband/father died to protect that right today.
As classless as profanity may seem, unless it's speaking the Lords name in vain, it is a protected right.
(and even THAT is portected under the US contsatution)
I therefore am personally not offended. What does offend me is the infrengement of that right and the
disregard of the blood spilled to preserve it by those who would attempt to infringe that right of another American.
THAT is more offensive to me than anything anyone could sayin public, or post on a message board.

I am sure those soldiers that you invoke had YOU on their mind when they lost their life so you could drop "F-bombs", etc. on a football message forum. No, you are wrong about that and if you feel infringed upon that's your tough luck because it will not be tolerated here. With football season quickly approaching, things will (out of necessity) tighten up around here so you may want to refresh your memory of the rules for THIS site. Call it our "Constitution" if you will:

http://rolltidebama.com/forum/showthread.php?37952-To-all-members...-Rules-and-Regs.