📡 Colin Kaepernick part of Nike's 30th anniversary of 'Just Do It' campaign

[XXL TideFan]

When your hero idolizes Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, you have problems headed your way long-term. The United States of America is founded on principles that are perfectly antithetical to communism, marxism or any mash-up of the two. It really says a lot about the upper level management of a company to suggest that such an individual should carry the weight of the company as far as advertising goes. I hope they lose tons of money. It's a capitalist system after all based on risk/reward. They took a risk on a communist sympathizer and fan of psychopathic socialist revolutionaries. Let them reap the "reward".

comparing this football player to Moses??? could there be a bigger stretch?


Some Che quotes for you to ponder as your hero, Colin must enjoy also:

"We must do away with all newspapers. A revolution cannot be accomplished with freedom of the press.”

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

"The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!”


And I will let you look up for yourself what Che thought of black people. This quarterback that Nike idolizes is either ignorant or willfully hateful... either makes for an unfit idol and leader.

Shalom

You took the time to write all that stuff and yet nary a single word about police profiling. The reason for the season. Good job Mr. Ostrich.

Other than offending the perpetually offended. What is wrong with profiling? It works.

 

[UAgrad93]

 

[JoshB]

My mistake was dropping my 2 cents in the hawg waller if this thread.

Also, people whining and boycotting over Nike using someone they dont like as a spokesman instead of those slave conditions this tweet comments on is not surprising says a lot... Just take the Fox News jackwagon you posted. Search his Tweets. Not a single mention of Nike until now. He didn't have an issue with those slave conditions until Kaep. Wonder what the difference is?

 

[Destiny's Child]

The younger generations that have fought for our country seem to be different in their thinking.

As a part of that younger generation of soldiers, I'm 100% behind Kap. And it's not split between old and young like you're implying. There are many soldiers and vets from all living generations that are on both sides of this debate.

I get that he has the right to take a stand for something, but I have a hard time agreeing with him!! He was adopted by a family at an early age that took him in and provided him with everything! I could see if it was a player that had come from a broken home or foster home, lived as a homeless person, was an undrafted free agent, or had himself suffered from an injustice before making it to the NFL. Maybe, there are others out there that see it that way and that is why they are so abrasive to CK.

Do you think Moses should have just kept living the plush life in Pharaoh's mansions while his people suffered as well? What does who he was raised by and how or where he was drafted have to do with this? People who live comfortably shouldn't try to help others? Black people raised by white people should stay out of the affairs of other black people? How do you know what injustices he did or didn't face before the NFL? He's facing an injustice now for standing up against what he perceives as an injustice isn't he? Why isn't that enough?

All I can do at this whole train of thought is to laugh. Black people aren’t oppressed. Your great grandma may have been oppressed but that isn’t the case anymore.

Black leaders for too long have cried racism or oppression over anything that didn’t go their way. Any political figure who doesn’t believe in welfare on demand is a racist. Or asks you to provide an ID to vote is a racist. Any employer who fires a black person is a racist... at some point when you cry wolf over everything people stop listening.

Kap believes in communism or socialism, was a millionaire in the country he hates and that keeps him down... right. Nope he had an opportunity to be very wealthy playing a sport and chose to take up his own political cause.

The police violence he started off protesting has been proven to be justified on video, in court and with a whole lynch mob of protesters and media painting them guilty. These policemen have had their lives ruined for doing their job... is that injustice?

He isn’t oppressed for not getting hired after his protests. He was a back up QB, who started showing support for communist causes, then started an anti-America protest which is wildly unpopular with with the people who buy season tickets, sky boxes, jerseys and watch them on TV. This hit owners in their pockets and damaged their organization. If you own the business you can chose not to have people who offend your customers be a part of your organization. Which is part of the reason why he is unemployed.. not oppressed.

He was offered a job in Denver and turned it down so he could play the victim.

So yes Nike is and will continue to get grief for supporting an unemployed by choice, millionaire victim, communist idiot.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Other than offending the perpetually offended. What is wrong with profiling? It works.

That is some profound wisdom there. The only thing that would be more profound is if you go ahead and confess you're a black man and police profiling in your community is really kinda cool.

 

[Trob]

comparing this football player to Moses??? could there be a bigger stretch?

Comparing the idea that "this football player" should not be concerned with the issues of his people because of who he was raised by and how to Moses shouldn't concerned with the issues of his because of the same reason is not a stretch at all. It's quite literally the exact same thing. You do know the story of Moses' upbringing don't you? I really hope you're being intentionally obtuse. If you're not, I'd love to see your attempt to explain how it is just for chuckles.

I don't care about your Che quotes or what he thought about black people. It's irrelevant.

All I can do at this whole train of thought is to laugh. Black people aren’t oppressed. Your great grandma may have been oppressed but that isn’t the case anymore.

Thank you so much for letting me know this. I had forgotten that you've lived my life, and the lives of every other black person in this country since the days of our collective great-grandmother. I had forgotten how much wisdom there is to be gleaned from your ever present mind.

 

[planomateo]

My opinion, how can I say his viewpoint is wrong, I've never walked in his shoes. I can't / won't speak for other veterans (or others for that matter). My opinion is my opinion based on my life experiences.

I understand his point, I applaude him for doing what he believes is right, not many people I know will risk millions to take a stand. Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, maybe he didnt think about the long game here. I have to think he had some thought process about the negative impact of his decision.

Having said that, I think he could have accomplished more had he done this another way. Years later and this doesn't seem to have gotten any better, this thread is an example.

 

[Trob]

My opinion, how can I say his viewpoint is wrong, I've never walked in his shoes. I can't / won't speak for other veterans (or others for that matter). My opinion is my opinion based on my life experiences....

Thank you. A perfectly reasonable response to this that actually applies to everyone here. And here I was about to lose hope. That said, I think he has accomplished a lot with the method he chose. The point was to start a conversation, and years later we're still having it. Nothing would change if no one talked about it first. It might not seem to have gotten better yet but baby steps.

 

[XXL TideFan]

Other than offending the perpetually offended. What is wrong with profiling? It works.

That is some profound wisdom there. The only thing that would be more profound is if you go ahead and confess you're a black man and police profiling in your community is really kinda cool.

You have a racist mentality. That's the problem. Please check out the following link.
Profiling

 

[TUSKtimes]

You have a racist mentality. That's the problem. Please check out the following link.
Profiling

Now, take a few minutes and look up the definition of racist. You should feel right at home.

 

[XXL TideFan]

@TUSKtimes, I'm sorry that feel that way. You do realize that you lose a little bit of your soul to hate when you do that.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

 

[TUSKtimes]

@TUSKtimes, I'm sorry that feel that way. You do realize that you lose a little bit of your soul to hate when you do that.

You do seem to struggle with your comprehension skills. Either way, I'm willing to live with the difference.

 

[jdpas29]

comparing this football player to Moses??? could there be a bigger stretch?

Comparing the idea that "this football player" should not be concerned with the issues of his people because of who he was raised by and how to Moses shouldn't concerned with the issues of his because of the same reason is not a stretch at all. It's quite literally the exact same thing. You do know the story of Moses' upbringing don't you? I really hope you're being intentionally obtuse. If you're not, I'd love to see your attempt to explain how it is just for chuckles.

I don't care about your Che quotes or what he thought about black people. It's irrelevant.

All I can do at this whole train of thought is to laugh. Black people aren’t oppressed. Your great grandma may have been oppressed but that isn’t the case anymore.

Thank you so much for letting me know this. I had forgotten that you've lived my life, and the lives of every other black person in this country since the days of our collective great-grandmother. I had forgotten how much wisdom there is to be gleaned from your ever present mind.

So I am quite confused about what we’re discussing I guess. I don’t know how to compare a rich athlete standing up for a completely unquantifiable offense that is also apparently void of a quantifiable solution to a man, Moses, chosen by God to lead the Israelites out of captivity (often against their will) due to ACTUAL physical bonds of slavery and brutality at the hands of the Pharaoh. If you think these men’s paths are analogous, I guess we will just end this conversation if that is what this is. I’m not learning any new ideas here.

And if it is irrelevant that the appointed figurehead of the fight against the oppression of black people by the systematically racist police in the US wears shirts espousing support for a known racist and psychopath, I’m also quite confused about what is relevant. Imagine Benjamin Netenyahu wearing a swastika. Then call that irrelevant to the Jewish people. How absurd.

My initial post, which you will notice I usually refrain from debate on topics like this, was about the business aspect of Nike’s decision. For their purposes, I think CK is a poor choice. That is all.

Young people have to be careful who they look up to as the young are generally more impressionable than the elder in a population.

Btw... “my people” are Americans. I don’t identify with some white movement or really give a rats butt about identity politics. I vote based on policy and I hire/fire based on merit.

And I also hope that you don’t think that because we disagree I have anything but love for you guys. Roll tide.

 

[ColAngus]

The younger generations that have fought for our country seem to be different in their thinking.

As a part of that younger generation of soldiers, I'm 100% behind Kap. And it's not split between old and young like you're implying. There are many soldiers and vets from all living generations that are on both sides of this debate.

I get that he has the right to take a stand for something, but I have a hard time agreeing with him!! He was adopted by a family at an early age that took him in and provided him with everything! I could see if it was a player that had come from a broken home or foster home, lived as a homeless person, was an undrafted free agent, or had himself suffered from an injustice before making it to the NFL. Maybe, there are others out there that see it that way and that is why they are so abrasive to CK.

Do you think Moses should have just kept living the plush life in Pharaoh's mansions while his people suffered as well? What does who he was raised by and how or where he was drafted have to do with this? People who live comfortably shouldn't try to help others? Black people raised by white people should stay out of the affairs of other black people? How do you know what injustices he did or didn't face before the NFL? He's facing an injustice now for standing up against what he perceives as an injustice isn't he? Why isn't that enough?

All I can do at this whole train of thought is to laugh. Black people aren’t oppressed. Your great grandma may have been oppressed but that isn’t the case anymore.

Black leaders for too long have cried racism or oppression over anything that didn’t go their way. Any political figure who doesn’t believe in welfare on demand is a racist. Or asks you to provide an ID to vote is a racist. Any employer who fires a black person is a racist... at some point when you cry wolf over everything people stop listening.

Kap believes in communism or socialism, was a millionaire in the country he hates and that keeps him down... right. Nope he had an opportunity to be very wealthy playing a sport and chose to take up his own political cause.

The police violence he started off protesting has been proven to be justified on video, in court and with a whole lynch mob of protesters and media painting them guilty. These policemen have had their lives ruined for doing their job... is that injustice?

He isn’t oppressed for not getting hired after his protests. He was a back up QB, who started showing support for communist causes, then started an anti-America protest which is wildly unpopular with with the people who buy season tickets, sky boxes, jerseys and watch them on TV. This hit owners in their pockets and damaged their organization. If you own the business you can chose not to have people who offend your customers be a part of your organization. Which is part of the reason why he is unemployed.. not oppressed.

He was offered a job in Denver and turned it down so he could play the victim.

So yes Nike is and will continue to get grief for supporting an unemployed by choice, millionaire victim, communist idiot.

I'm very sorry I read even part of this post. I feel dumber for it, and discouraged.

I need to stick strictly to discussions of Alabama football in this place.

 

[JoshB]

I'm very sorry I read even part of this post. I feel dumber for it, and discouraged.
I need to stick strictly to discussions of Alabama football in this place.

That's typically what ends up happening with these social/political threads. I've been trying to not let this stuff draw me in as much lately. It's why half the people on this site hate me lol

 

[AirForceBamaFan]

The problem with this thread is a universal one. We have lost the ability as a society to have public discourse of our differences in a civil and understanding way. It typically devolves into a pride-driven insult fest that has nothing to do with the actual ideas. This combined with the anonymity of a message board only makes the situation worse. The discussion regarding racial tensions in America (past and present) is an important one, whether you have been a victim of racism or been falsely accused of it, it is an important topic. None of us know the experience of another unless we ask and actually want to hear. Folks, we are all (mostly all) Bama fans on this site. Let’s build on that common ground and try to treat each other with civility. We are experiencing what could prove to be the greatest era in Alabama football history let’s enjoy it without insulting each other. ROLL TIDE!!!!

 

[planomateo]

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

A few observations

CK is/was protesting injustice that he and others believed was/is occurring. IMO he doesn't have to suffer that injustice to protest it.

At it's core protest should make the observers uncomfortable or inspire some emotion otherwise it is pretty meaningless

IMO nobody has picked him up because of the media circus that would surround him. I don't believe there is organized collusion against him but it would not surprise me if Goodell has dropped a word here and there.

IMO Nike is saying the positives (attracting the people who are inspired by CK and retaining the people who don't care, and generating huge amount of "buzz") are greater than the negatives (people who choose not to buy the product)

IMO people who burn things they have paid money for simply to spite a giant corporation are silly but it is a form of protest that they are allowed

Here's the facts that the media is ignoring.

CaperDICK sucks as an NFL QB. Flash in the pan for a couple years, but as a running QB, defenses began figuring him out and he'd eventually lose his job not once... But TWICE whilst in San Fran.

Fact #2: BECAUSE he's a running QB with limited skills as a passer, no one would even pick him up as a backup because they'd have to nuke their entire offensive system in the godforsaken event he was needed because of injury to QB1.

It was only AFTER he lost his job in San Fran that he began ATENTION WHORING on the sideline by virtue signaling some jinned up injustice while trying to be a Communism apologist.

Fuck the media and their narrative, and FUCK CAPERDICK AND THE NFL FOR LETTING THIS BULLSHIT CONTINUE.

ALSO, FUCK NIKE. I'll never buy another product of theirs again.. Funny how their stock plummeted several BILLION since they announced this garbage.

Sacrifice? WHAT THE FUCK did HE sacrifice? Not a GODS-DAMNED thing.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Many people went overseas and got their hands dirty and paid the ultimate price to defend the constitution which includes anybody’s right to protest.

Boycott Nike that’ll teach em!

Cops aren’t the problem in this!! A very small percentage of bad cops (less than 1%) and all of a sudden the entire profession is racist. That would be like me saying all african Americans and old white dudes hate cops because of all the cop deaths. All of my coworkers and I are not in the least bit racist nor have we “targeted people of color”