📡 Can UofL/Pitino and Ole Miss/Freeze successfully challenge NCAA precedent on HC accountability?

[alagator]

Mississippi has mounted a vigorous defense of coach Hugh Freeze, who is facing the same primary Level I allegation as Pitino. He was charged as one of 21 allegations against the football program in an NCAA Notice of Allegations that the school released publicly for the first time last week, along with its response to that NOA.

Four years ago, the NCAA revised a rule and upped the ante on coach responsibility for what happens on their watch. In 2015-16, the impact of that revision was felt: nine-game suspensions were applied to basketball coaches Jim Boeheim of Syracuse and Larry Brown of Southern Methodist for violations within their programs. Despite that precedent, both Louisville and Ole Miss have gone to bat for their head coaches.

“Ole Miss has laid out a position similar to what Louisville laid out with Coach Pitino,” said Stu Brown, an Atlanta-based attorney who has represented both coaches and schools in NCAA cases. “Both are able to do that because, in essence, the head coach was not individually charged with substantial misconduct. Pitino was not charged with anything, and Freeze is charged with two Level IIIs [an impermissible recruiting contact and knowledge of an impermissible recruiting video] one of which they are disputing.

“That gives them grounds to be more supportive of their coach. They have to decide: for win-loss, financial and political reasons, is the coach someone the school wants to save? If a school was looking for a reason to get rid of a coach, having him charged with lack of coach control would at least give the school the opportunity to say, ‘We can’t defend you.’ If coach is winning, if coach is popular, if coach is raising revenue, coach gets supported.”

 

[Bamabww]

I'm thinking Ole Miss has to defend Freeze. I'm sure he's told them God will be pleased if they do..

 

[BAMAneck]

This just in .....: Hugh freeze thinks he is Israel ...:rolf:

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Ole MS needs this over...take ur paddling.....go fresh from there....
But.......it needs to end...period....
I dont like Ole MS....but this drawn out is unfair to the fans....

 

[TUSKtimes]

Ole MS needs this over...take ur paddling.....go fresh from there....
But.......it needs to end...period....
I dont like Ole MS....but this drawn out is unfair to the fans....

This is going to be the slow bleed. The rebels are fighting some of these charges tooth and nail. And to be frank the rebels created the dynamics for a second investigation and that is on them as well.

 

[TerryP]

And to be frank the rebels created the dynamics

.but this drawn out is unfair to the fans...

I don't care for the label "unfair," and here's the biggest reason why.

If one brings something on themselves, what they and those around them suffer is just part of the game--a game of consequences, if you will.

Now, if we had a situation where this was similar to what happened with Bama and Means--where all the schools except Alabama were warned by the SEC offices--I'd say you have a point. But, this is a situation where Ole Miss was warned and they chose to go full bore ahead...to even a greater degree.

It's unfortunate for the fans. To that there is no doubt.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I don't care for the label "unfair," and here's the biggest reason why.

If one brings something on themselves, what they and those around them suffer is just part of the game--a game of consequences, if you will.

It's unfortunate for the fans. To that there is no doubt.

Well....disagree if you will.....but....the fans .....rank and file fans....which is 99%+...didn do anything...period...its the shitheads in Administration/coaches....and the worthless boosters...
So....whether it be unfortunate or unfair....its crap,,
I remember going through the Bama stuff...it was awful.....I felt guilty...and I didn't do anything....Imagine how the Baylor and Penn State fans felt...and they didn't do anything...the 99%...and there's is worse then paying a few bucks ...
Again...for Ole Ms....for their fans,...it needs to end...and start fresh...

 

[TerryP]

Well....disagree if you will.....but....the fans .....rank and file fans....which is 99%+...didn do anything...period...its the shitheads in Administration/coaches....and the worthless boosters...
So....whether it be unfortunate or unfair....its crap,,
I remember going through the Bama stuff...it was awful.....I felt guilty...and I didn't do anything....Imagine how the Baylor and Penn State fans felt...and they didn't do anything...the 99%...and there's is worse then paying a few bucks ...
Again...for Ole Ms....for their fans,...it needs to end...and start fresh...

Here's the thing from my point of view. It's something I almost thought of mentioning this in the earlier response but didn't.

One, I don't see any comparison with what happened to the fans at Penn State and Baylor as compared to the fans at Ole Miss. The impact of the NCAA's decision in Penn State's case very well may be similar to what happens at Ole Miss. Except, that move at Penn State wasn't the NCAA's business. They didn't break any of the NCAA's by-laws and (as I've said a 1000 times) the NCAA had no business there.

Now, as to the fans of Ole Miss. It's unfortunate. But, they've (no matter how innocent some are) created that environment that led to these boosters and administrators making the decisions they did. It's messy, but it's also something I've pointed to as coming going all the way back to when Nkemdiche was being recruited by Bama along with all the others. They wanted to be in the spotlight of college football, wanted to be considered as part of the upper echelon of the SEC, and chose to take short-cuts to do so.

I can't tell you the number of fans I've had tell me the only reason I was pointing to recruiting at Ole Miss (years ago, mind you) was due to Bama's loss. The fact of the matter was I was pointing to Ole Miss and their recruiting before the Bama loss. I was pointing to--directly pointing to--the same people we've mentioned here; boosters and administrators. Ole Miss fans were told "we see what you're doing and you're running straight at an oncoming train." Their response? Callous, to the point of arrogance.

I can, and have, felt sympathy for fans in situations around college football. Penn State was one. Auburn, when they were in danger of losing their accreditation with SACS due to the sociology classes drew a similar response: there are graduates of Auburn that didn't need the actions of the football team devaluing their diploma's.

From what I've seen and heard from the Black Bear fan base? At this point, I feel no sympathy: only empathy.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

We really dont disagree terry..except on one point....
1) you say the fans created the atmosphere to cheat....i disagree...the fans created the atmosphere to win...as all fans I know do....we all want winners...
Sure, we dont go to the games if losing...maybe it could be interpreted as creating such environment....but again all do... but i was at Bama games when things were sour...as were the 90% seats full..
Coaches cheat to save their jobs....and make more money...or are just stupid or just turn their heads to it...(Dubose)
Administrators and big boosters do for ego....money..stupidity...
But the average fan,....naw... thats who I have empathy for...(except Auburn fans)