moreno_iv said:
. . . However, this clip caught my attention when I saw Jerry Garcia talking about wanting to be a bluegrass dude.
It's actually kinda weird because in the band I'm currently a part of (
Fat Jackson), the main song writer and lead guitarist can play the hell out of the lead, but he tends to lean towards a bluegrass sound when he writes. You can tell he is strongly influenced by Jerry Garcia and not just the Grateful Dead.
The bluegrass/mandolin influence is evident in many Dead songs. In fact, here is a recording of a song by the Dead called "I Know You Rider" from 1972.
I Know You Rider
You have to really listen to it, but it's there.
Yep, it is interesting how many Dead songs do have that bluegrass/folk feel to them, even plugged up and juiced with electricity and improvisation. Of course, some of the songs performed by the GD were traditional folk songs to begin with. Garcia, Weir, and company put their own signature on the melodies and introduced them into pseudo-mainstream music.
What I find when I listen to those clips by Fat Jackson is a mesh of all those influences that your group has actually listed. Of course, Stephen, you already know my take on "The River Marches On" clip. Did you ever find a copy of Little Feat's version of "Sample in a Jar?" Go to iTunes and listen to that 30 second clip. There is definitely an influence and similarity in terms of tempo, key, and bottom, more so than compared to the Phish version. Btw, have you ever heard the JamGrass Slammers' tribute to Phish and "Sample in a Jar?" There's also short clip of that at iTunes
Anyway, "I Know You Rider" has been a widely played and recorded song by many different artists of various genres. I was under the impression that it was originally a traditional folk tune that has been played for generations.
Here's some tidbits I have found about the song:
I KNOW YOU RIDER
(Traditional)
This song is found in different versions and with different titles ("Woman's Blues", "Circle Round The Sun"). Indeed, James Taylor, The Grateful Dead and Hot Tuna have all recorded it in quite different ways. James recorded it as a slow lament entitled "Circle Round The Sun" backed by a string section. The Grateful Dead interpreted it as a bluegrass number, and Hot Tuna's acoustic finger-style blues version was the basis of its arrangement. The all knowing attitude of the weary woman just resonates through the years, and the simple images are stunning, regardless of lyrical version.
Well I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone
Well I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone
You gonna miss your mama from rolling in your arms
Well I know my baby he's bound to love me some
Well I know my baby he's bound to love me some
He throws his arms around me like a circle round the sun
Well I laid down and I tried to take my rest
I laid down and I tried to take my rest
but my mind it just kept wandering like some wild geese in the west
I’m going down the road where I get better care
I’m going down the road where I get better care
I believe I’ll go babe, I just don’t feel welcome here
Just as sure as the bird fly in the sky above
Just as sure as the bird fly in the sky above
Life ain’t worth living if you ain’t with the man you love
The sun’s gonna shine in my back door some day
The sun’s gonna shine in my back door some day
The wind’s gonna rise and blow my blues away
To love you baby, it’s easy as falling off a log
To love you baby, it’s easy as falling off a log
Wanna be your baby but I sure won’t be your dog
*****
I KNOW YOU RIDER
The Grateful Dead
I know you, rider, gonna miss me when i'm gone;
I know you, rider, gonna miss me when i'm gone;
Gonna miss your baby, from rolling in your arms.
Laid down last night, lord, i could not take my rest;
Laid down last night, lord, i could not take my rest;
My mind was wandering like the wild geese in the west.
The sun will shine in my back door someday.
The sun will shine in my back door someday.
March winds will blow all my troubles away.
I wish i was a headlight, on a north bound train;
I wish i was a headlight, on a north bound train;
I'd shine my light through cool colorado rain.
I know you, rider, gonna miss me when i'm gone;
I know you, rider, gonna miss me when i'm gone;
Gonna miss your baby, from rolling in your arms.
*****
I KNOW YOU RIDER
Hot Tuna
I know you rider gonna miss me when I'm gone
I know you rider gonna miss me when I'm gone
Gonna miss your baby from rollin' in your arms
Sun's gonna shine on my back door some day
Sun's gonna shine on my back door some day
And the wind's gonna rise up and blow my blues away
I wish I was a headlight on a northbound train
I wish I was a headlight on a northbound train
I'd shine my headlight through the cool Colorado rain
Lovin' you baby's 'bout as easy as rollin' off a log
Lovin' you baby's 'bout as easy as rollin' off a log
I'll be your daddy but I just won't be your dog
*****
I KNOW YOU RIDER
Janis Joplin - 1966
I know you rider, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone
I know you rider, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone
You're gonna miss your lovin' baby runnin', I said runnin' in your arms
Don't the moon look lonesome, when it's shinin' down through the trees
Don't the moon look lonesome, when it's shinin' down through the trees
Don't my, don't my man looks fine, when he comes runnin', runnin' after me
I know you rider, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone, honey when I'm gone
Say now, I know you rider, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone
You're gonna miss your lovin' baby runnin', I said runnin' in your arms!
I know you rider. you're gonna miss me when I'm gone
I know you rider, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone
Yeah, you're gonna miss your lovin' baby runnin', oh, I said runnin' in your
arms!
And I know my baby, says he's bound to love me so, love me so
Said I, I know my baby, and he's bound to love me so
You know he'll close his arms around me, like a circle, he thinks I'll
understand
I know you rider
Said you're gonna miss me when I'm gone
*****
KNOW YOU RIDER
Well I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone
Well I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone
You gonna miss your mama from rolling in your arms
Well I know my baby he's bound to love me some
Well I know my baby he's bound to love me some
He throws his arms around me like a circle round the sun
Well I laid down and I tried to take my rest
I laid down and I tried to take my rest
but my mind it just kept wandering like some wild geese in the west
I'm going down the road where I get better care
I'm going down the road where I get better care
I believe I'll go babe, I just don't feel welcome here
Just as sure as the bird fly in the sky above
Just as sure as the bird fly in the sky above
Life ain't worth living if you ain't with the man you love
The sun's gonna shine in my back door some day
The sun's gonna shine in my back door some day
The wind's gonna rise and blow my blues away
To love you baby, it's easy as falling off a log
To love you baby, it's easy as falling off a log
Wanna be your baby but I sure won't be your dog
*****
I KNOW YOU RIDER
I know you rider gonna miss me when I'm gone
I know you rider gonna miss me when I'm gone
Gonna miss you little momma from a-rolling in your arms
I'm going down thr road where I can get more decent care
I'm going down thr road where I can get more decent care
Going back to my used to be rider cause I don't feel welcome here
I know my baby sure is bound to love me some
I know my baby sure is bound to love me some
Cause he throws his arms around me like a circle around the sun
I laid down last night trying to take a rest
I laid down last night trying to take a rest
But my mind kept rambling like the wild geese in the West
I'm going down to the river set in my rockin' chair
I'm going down to the river set in my rockin' chair
And if the blues don't find me gonna rock away from here
Loving you baby just as easy as rolling off a log
Loving you baby just as easy as rolling off a log
But if I can't be your woman sure ain't gonna be your dog
I will cut your wood baby I will make your fire
I will cut your wood baby I will make your fire
And I will tote your water baby from that Fresno Bar
Sun gonna shine in my back yard some day
Sun gonna shine in my back yard some day
And the wind gonna rise up baby blow my blues away
* * * * * *
I have included a small sample of my favorite "I Know You Rider" performances, not counting the numerous variations that the Dead have put on the song.
I will begin with an acoustic Hot Tuna version with the help of David Bromberg in 1986:
Hot Tuna / David Bromberg
Here is probably my favorite bluegrass version of the song performed by the Seldom Scene. The mandolin solo at the 2:53 mark floors me every time I watch it. I have posted this one a while back but it is worth another gander. I still find it amusing to hear the mandolin player utter, "Oh sh**, that's hard," around the 3:45 spot. The banjo picker ain't too shabby either. He breaks down around the 5 minute mark.
The Seldom Scene
The best recorded bluegrass version I have found is also by The Seldom Scene on Rebel Records
35 Years of the Best in Bluegrass: 1960-1995.
Now here is Max Creek doing their version of "I know You Rider" back in '87. Shades of the Dead wouldn't you say?
Max Creek
Here's a more folksy take on the song by Joan Baez back in 1960:
Joan Baez
Wow! You sure have spurred my interest in the history of this song. I reckon' I will try to do some serious research on it.
We'll let The Hillbilly Gypsies get us out of here with their overdrive version:
The Hillbilly Gypsies