šŸˆ Basketball post that deserves a little attention. National papers talking about coaching job...

BamaFan334 said:
Position don't mean as much as you're questioning. As long as a solid brick base has been laid, proper procedures were taken to select the new leaders, you have nothing to worry about. I look no further than my company, Home Depot. We just implemented a new CEO after arguably the greatest CEO in the history of the company resigned. We also replaced our Executive President of US stores Marvin Ellison, all within five months of one another. Two major major cogs in our company, tremendous leaders, now gone. What happened? Our SLT replaced them and our stock price, cash flow, and cash on hand is higher than ever. My point is that turnover is inevitable, so there is no reason to question that as long as competent people are in positions to make good replacement choices.
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I don't see any comparisons available here other than both are jobs.

With the basketball coach, he's reporting to two people. These two people are the ones who will be structuring his contract, his support system, and the rest of these important stipulations in his contract. The mere fact those two could change weighs heavily in decisions.

Consider this, how often have you seen coaches lose their jobs when a new Ath. Dir. has been hired? Or, for that matter, AD's change with a change in presidency? Support systems start and end with those in these two positions. You shouldn't have to think about this long. The turmoil and dumpster fire we have seen at Texas with Dodds being forced out, Peterson brought in, has resulted in two coaches being sent packing.

Mike DuBose, Bill Curry, Andrew Sorenson, and Bob Bockrath are just a handful of examples how these very positions have created problems in Tuscaloosa.
 
TerryP said:
I don't see any comparisons available here other than both are jobs.

With the basketball coach, he's reporting to two people. These two people are the ones who will be structuring his contract, his support system, and the rest of these important stipulations in his contract. The mere fact those two could change weighs heavily in decisions.

Consider this, how often have you seen coaches lose their jobs when a new Ath. Dir. has been hired? Or, for that matter, AD's change with a change in presidency? Support systems start and end with those in these two positions. You shouldn't have to think about this long. The turmoil and dumpster fire we have seen at Texas with Dodds being forced out, Peterson brought in, has resulted in two coaches being sent packing.

Mike DuBose, Bill Curry, Andrew Sorenson, and Bob Bockrath are just a handful of examples how these very positions have created problems in Tuscaloosa.
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I understand what you're saying, but Dodds was a different character and the whole Texas sized ego reigned true within that entire university causing major problems. Y'all are assuming Battle won't be here long, and we know Judy Bonner is leaving, so we're not necessarily talking apples and apples. Coach Saban doesn't need the support of anyone, he went out and earned his and presumably calls the shots more so than even his "bosses". Same with guys like Coach K, maybe Roy Williams, possibly Callipari, guys like that. All I'm getting at is that a real man of a coach goes somewhere to change the culture of a place and brings them to be a winning program. If things change in the future, rest on your record, and if you don't have one to rest on, look for another job. You can't be scared of the future that hasn't even happened or not even guaranteed. Let's be serious here, I doubt the University of Alabama is going to make any dumb decisions in the next 10-15 years due to what has been built by Mal Moore and others around him. We have a great athletic department that i don't see buckling anytime soon. Of course that's an opinion on the future as well.
 
A couple of thoughts here @BamaFan334

There is no assumption about Battle leaving.

The "Texas sized ego" you refer to is found within our own BOT along with a few in the athletic department. It created issues before we hired Saban (see RichRod and Malcolm Portera and please don't get me started on Finus Gaston and Francione.)

Stallings didn't need the support of anyone. Yet, a new boss created a lot of the issues that pushed him out the door.

I appreciate your faith in what Coach Moore has built. But, let's not forget that it took only five years for our football program to start to nose dive after what Coach Bryant had put in place. That started with unrest with a new AD in Perkins and some decisions he made and his eventual departure led to even more blunders.

Coach Moore was handicapped/handcuffed for a while until Dr. Witt was brought in and at that point it was the first time, in a long time, we had the administrative sides of academia and athletics on the same page.

In my lifetime I've seen these things happen in Tuscaloosa; too many to sit and count.
 
Perhaps the next set of negotiations will play out quietly rather than in the public square as this one did.

Obviously money was not the only factor. Uprooting family to a new location and a totally different environment is no small thing. When the Shockers sweetened the kitty that took away much of the advantage of moving.
 
@BamaFan334, since I have coached in the HS ranks, I'm going to use some examples of some coaches that have jumped from job to job and those that have stayed put. Here in Sylacauga, we have 2 high schools, BB Comer and Sylacauga High. A man by the name of Bobby Overton was the HC at Comer for 30+ years. Since he retired in '03, I believe they have seen 7-8 HCs. They have had turnover in their administration as well. It leads to insecurity. They now have Mike Battles as their HC. He has been around for 30+ years as well. He has come in to attempt to infuse some life and stability in their program.
Meanwhile, over at Sylacauga High, I have worked with 3 HCs in my 16 years here. The man that hired me, had a bad year and wasn't offered any guarantees of another year even though he had been 13-1,14-1, and 13-1 over the previous 3 seasons. The administration was on the way out the door the following year so our HC left. The next guy used the job simply to get more money and a stepping stone for one year. He left us to take an OC job at Briarwood Christian in Birmingham. After 3-4 years there, he parlayed that into the HC position at the Memphis, TN HS that produced all of the Jones' brothers.
Another example would be Rush Propst when he was at Hoover High. The guy had security and was winning! Had new administration not come in and gotten wind of some of the dealings going on, Propst would have been there until a college position came calling.
Waldon Tucker over at Fayette County High School was there FOREVER!!
Security at a job when it comes to who you have to answer to means more than you think in the coaching world as opposed to the outside professional world.
 
Agreed @psychojoe! His program was clean, he recruited the hell out of in state kids, he ran the floor when needed, and slowed it down as well. I'll never forget the Loyola Marymount game in the NCAA tourney. That group was leading the nation in PPG, seemed like in the mid 90s. They had shredded the first two games to face off with Wimp in the Sweet 16! I believe the final was 64-62 and we had a shot to win it at the end. Those BAMA/ARKY games when the Hogs first came into the conference were some damn barn burners too. Wimp always had his teams ready to play!
 
Posted this over in the Bball forum but figured to add it here as well. AL.com is reporting that Avery Johnson and Bill Battle are set to discuss the job. It doesn't say when but says that Battle flew out to Dallas to meet with Johnson. This article is written by Casagrande.
 


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University of Alabama athletics director Bill Battle met with former NBA head coach Avery Johnson on Saturday to discuss the head basketball coaching vacancy at UA.

Although there was no immediate confirmation a deal had been finalized, Johnson reportedly emerged as a strong front-runner for the position and several media outlets in Johnson's home state of Texas confirmed he would likely accept the job if offered.

Battle also interviewed Murray State head coach Steve Prohm over the weekend, The Tuscaloosa News has learned. Johnson, who had a 16-year playing career that included an NBA championship with the San Antonio Spurs in 1999, was head coach of the Dallas Mavericks (2005-2008) and the New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets (2010-2012). He has not been a part of college basketball since his playing career at Southern University in the 1980s, but has reportedly expressed interest in returning to the collegiate game.

He is currently in his second stint as analyst for ESPN. His energetic personality and promotional abilities are considered positives for a program looking to revitalize interest in its basketball program.

Former UA players expressed support for Johnson via social media.

"NBA champ as a player and NBA coach of the year," said former Crimson Tide guard Ben Eblen. "If he comes and sits down in your living room, you're going to hear what he has to say."

Alabama has quietly pursued several coaching candidates in proceeding forward from its rejection by Wichita State head coach Gregg Marshall last week.

At that time, Battle outlined his criteria for a new head coach.

"My objective in this search is focused on one goal: to get the best person available to lead the Alabama men's basketball program,he said in a prepared statement. "I remain determined to bring to our program a proven head coach with impressive credentials, one who understands and values our program, wants to lead our program and is excited about what can be accomplished at the University of Alabama."

- See more at: https://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1753961#sthash.0Oi6YuWO.aIkdsTv3.dpuf
 

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