🏈 Barnett .....Baptism By Fire

[OldPlayer]

Point 1: hyperbole

While "talent" is certainly subjective,
it appears there is one truly talented QB, a few good ones , and a serviceable one.


Point 2: 100 percent agree. Pointed that out in another thread as a contributing factor to our current QB situation. CNS has excelled at MANY (understatement) things, but QB depth development isn't one of them.

Point 3: that is not my understanding. I'm pretty sure the rules are pretty clear that playing a single second in any game negates a RS for that season. But, I guess everything is waiverable if you have the pull

Point 1: hyperbole

While "talent" is certainly subjective,
it appears there is one truly talented QB, a few good ones , and a serviceable one.


Point 2: 100 percent agree. Pointed that out in another thread as a contributing factor to our current QB situation. CNS has excelled at MANY (understatement) things, but QB depth development isn't one of them.

Point 3: that is not my understanding. I'm pretty sure the rules are pretty clear that playing a single second in any game negates a RS for that season. But, I guess everything is waiverable if you have the pull

Point 3: I checked and you're correct on #3. Only if the school is applying for a hardship (medical) redshirt when a player can participate in up to 30% of the total games in the first part of the season. Otherwise if he plays a down, the redshirt is burned.

Point 1: I do believe we have a lot of talent (the ability to play at a high level) but no one has stepped out.

Point 2: CNS will develop BB his way. Everyone is assuming that BB is the QB of the future, but we don't know who will come in and who will develop at what rate. So far, based on the Spring and the lack of being singled out by CNS during camp, I'm not putting my money on Team Barnett.

 

[Gideon Swashbuckler]

Point 4, We are still 2 weeks out from Dallas and this thing ain't decided yet. If we played tomorrow, it would be some combination of Bateman and Morris, but we don't. This thing could change 2 or 3 more times before we kickoff on Sept. 3rd. All we know for certain is Cornwell is done, Coker is fading fast and Barnett APPEARS to be headed for a redshirt. But the last thing is the least certain of all.

I seem to remember a conversation about Saban needing to do some "rattling of cages" last year. Think this is him doing just that?
All the talk about there being "no separation" amongst the QBs doesn't mean they all suck. Just saying.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

We're in violent agreement that experience is the only thing holding him back. My point is that he may be too talented to RS.

No difference in losing him in 3 yrs as a RS Soph or a true junior IF he is as talented as he appears to be. Even if he doesnt leave in three years, he almost certainly wont stay for 5. The point remains that RS'ing a QB with that potential does nothing but waste game experience options for him as a Fresh. A true fresh even being in the convo with two seniors is a testament in itself.

If we are to believe the hype and the named starter is injured, BB WILL get snaps this year if not pulled up to start.

Even if the starter isn't injured, I think BB may get game snaps as well with belief that he isn't here beyond 4 years in any circumstance, so a RS is pointless.

Dude, it's gonna be Bateman at Qb2.

BB isn't ready. Physically, or mentally.




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[Elderfalsedemigod]

CNS is already on record as saying he (in fairness to the team this year) will start the players who give the best chance to win this year. He said it would be unfair to put a QB out there simply to build or develop.

Speaking for myself I do not want to see any Bama QB go through a proverbial "baptism by fire". The term evokes images of pain, suffering etc. let them experience those things on the practice field, not in front of 100k+ against an SEC defense. JMO

 

[BamaBoySince89]

Barnett will be good in time, I just don't see CNS throwing him in the seat right now. I don't know if he could pull any late-game heroics if he were to be put in a situation with 1:50 left in a game at Death Valley. Plus, could anybody tell me the last time a TF QB started? I can't recall one in the last 25 years unless I'm missing somebody

 

[PhillyGirl]

I believe CNS knows who the starter is. He is just keeping it a secret until we all are driven insane, or just have to wait two more weeks. We may not know until after the Wisconsin game. At this point I would just roll the dice and have faith in the process

Didn't he not even reveal Sims as the starter until 2-3 days before WVU?

This could come down to the wire. He totally knows who the starter is but he also knows how to play us!

 

[2Stater]

Didn't he not even reveal Sims as the starter until 2-3 days before WVU?

This could come down to the wire. He totally knows who the starter is but he also knows how to play us!

I was at the game. Nobody knew until warmups, really, that it would be Sims. Up to that point, there was still some speculation that Coker might be the starter.

 

[UAgrad93]

I'm not a baptism by fire person unless it is absolutely necessary! No sense burning a year when you have others that have been in the system longer and are serviceable. I love the upside of Barnett as opposed to Morris or Bateman, or even Coker and "Magic Mike" Cornwell. I believe that CNS and Kiffin know they can win with either at QB with this defense, this O line, Henry, Drake, and Harris in the backfield, and the ultimate weapon JK Scott.

 

[Destiny's Child]

I feel like this qb battle has changed drastically every week of camp and I for one am not counting any one out or in until the little man in the straw hat says it's so. Do you realize that we are entering the final week of camp and it could still truly be 1 of 4 guys? I wouldn't be shocked if any of them were called the starter for Game 1. That is scary and cool all at the same time.

I could see them sticking with the Senior who has the teams support in Coker, big arm, all the tools, needs to improve under fire

I could see Bateman who has great athletic ability, smart but has been inconsistent

I could see them going with Morris who knows the offense and doesn't turn it over

I could see Barnett having a great week, soaring up the board and them just deciding he can learn on the fly. (probably least likely)

I have been a Bama fan for along time and I can't remember it ever being this way before. I remember Tyler Watts and Zow being 1 and 1A but never three or four deep this close to the start of the season.

At least it gives us something to talk about 10 days before kickoff..lol

 

[2Stater]

I'm not a baptism by fire person unless it is absolutely necessary! No sense burning a year when you have others that have been in the system longer and are serviceable. I love the upside of Barnett as opposed to Morris or Bateman, or even Coker and "Magic Mike" Cornwell. I believe that CNS and Kiffin know they can win with either at QB with this defense, this O line, Henry, Drake, and Harris in the backfield, and the ultimate weapon JK Scott.

That's a keeper.

 

[OldPlayer]

I was at the game. Nobody knew until warmups, really, that it would be Sims. Up to that point, there was still some speculation that Coker might be the starter.

Nobody in the the stands knew. Players on the team knew.

 

[Snout Spout]

Barnett will be good in time, I just don't see CNS throwing him in the seat right now. I don't know if he could pull any late-game heroics if he were to be put in a situation with 1:50 left in a game at Death Valley. Plus, could anybody tell me the last time a TF QB started? I can't recall one in the last 25 years unless I'm missing somebody

We don't play there this year.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I'm sure we all want the QB that gives us the best chance to get back to Atl and beyond to be the guy... whoever that may be.

All things equal, I would like to develop the younger guys. I'm saying that if we knew right that we were finishing the season 10-3 regardless of who the QB is, then I would choose one of the younger guys.

The problem with that is we don't know how we will finish with each QB. And the baptism by fire could just as easily backfire if BB doesn't perform well. How many times have we seen a QB with hype get thrown in before they are really ready, underperform, lose all confidence and wilt away to be forgotten? Both in college and in the NFL this has happened. I wouldn't want to shake the confidence of a young upcoming kid who may be a future star simply because we were trying to develop for the future.

If he's ready and is the best option... play him. If not, don't play him simply because he will be wearing crimson longer.

 

[OldPlayer]

If he's ready and is the best option... play him. If not, don't play him simply because he will be wearing crimson longer.

I think the "fear" some have is that he will be wearing crimson the same if he's redshirted or not so play him now. He could leave for the NFL after three years from his high school graduation. IMO, the bottom line is that he's just not ready and I don't want to put the fate of the team on somebody who hasn't dressed for a game yet. Playing in front of 101,000 is a little different than playing in front of 5,000 at a high school game.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I think the "fear" some have is that he will be wearing crimson the same if he's redshirted or not so play him now. He could leave for the NFL after three years from his high school graduation. IMO, the bottom line is that he's just not ready and I don't want to put the fate of the team on somebody who hasn't dressed for a game yet. Playing in front of 101,000 is a little different than playing in front of 5,000 at a high school game.

I get that, I guess I should have said wearing crimson farther into the future. Coker, Morris and Bateman will all be gone in 3 years (and likely Cornwell too if he transfers)

 

[crcray16]

I think results from Saturday show alot. Morris seems to have taken control, even given the props of having command which was most important thing CNS has preached. They want to redshirt Barnett at all cost, imo. Whatever cornwell has done seems to have cost him everything. I don't and never have thought it's a situation of them not playing good, just not separating. Not to mention they are going against a VERY GOOD defense everyday. That's gonna pay off big because they won't see that every week. That's my 2 cents.

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[Che Boludo]

^^^I still don't see the value in the "RS BB at all costs" mentality.

I firmly believe that if he is at all the talent he has been made out to be he won't be at Bama beyond 4 years.

If the opportunity doesn't present itself, fine. But if it does, there is no harm in getting him some game experience to build on for next year.

He won't be a 5th year senior at Bama.

 

[crcray16]

He may not be a 5th yr starter but I don't think he's gonna be a true freshman starter either. He's got to learn, grow, and grasp system. I'm all for him also, but like I said, numbers showed the plan for this season. If he's gonna start he's getting more than 11 passes 2 weeks before game

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[Che Boludo]

He may not be a 5th yr starter but I don't think he's gonna be a true freshman starter either. He's got to learn, grow, and grasp system. I'm all for him also, but like I said, numbers showed the plan for this season. If he's gonna start he's getting more than 11 passes 2 weeks before game

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I don't either. I don't even think he'll be in the two deep unless he makes a ton of all around progress this fall to move up.

Problem is that CNS has not done a great job of developing QB talent during the regular season, so I don't imagine he'll get many if any rep opportunities... even in the biggest of blowouts.

In most cases, it wouldn't be an issue. But if BB is a talent that could leave in 3 years, he certainly won't be here for 5. So why RS him?

 

[crcray16]

Rs or not he may be gone in 3. Take the title off, just don't think this year will be his year. Next year tho, look out.

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