🏈 Auburn officials decide to retain Harsin

[50+yeartidefan]

These same coaches you're referring to understand that even though it's a pasture, the grass isn't necessarily greener.



I believe there's some bias in that thought because of who you are.

Next fall Freeze will be making more than twice as much as any other coach in his conference. He's making as much as a lot of other coaches in P5 jobs; more in some cases. Houston and Cincy pay less and they're joining the Big 12 soon. He's not making Mike Leach money, but he's close. It's the same with Harsin.

Facilities at Liberty beat both of those schools hands down. The administration at Mississippi State is better than Auburn, but I can't say he'd be working for a better AD in Starkville. I don't think John Cohen (MSU) is a bad AD but there's nothing I've seen since '16 at MSU that makes me say "he's a good AD"

Here's something that won't sit right but you'll get the point. Ian McCaw built Baylor as their AD from early on in the 2000's until 2016 when he took the Liberty job. I know it's easy to think, "Baylor, Briles, and that fiasco." But there's no doubt he put together some great facilities for that program. He's done the same for Liberty.

The money is the same, or better.
You've got a better AD when it comes to your program and what it needs.
You don't have a power struggle within the administration: people making decisions about you and your career.

Yes. It's Liberty. But tell me how that's not a better job?

How is it not a better job.....you ask?

Better being subjective...but...
SEC vs CUSA...
Recruiting...
Competition...
....to start with.....

Like comparing Tony theTiger bowl with playoffs

 

[Bammerboy321]

Do not pass go and do not collect $200.

LU is one of the better coaching jobs in college football. It's better than a lot of P5 jobs.

Few schools can touch the monies invested in their athletics and even fewer can compete with the amount they pay their head coach. Their facilities are better than 90% of college football programs: P5 and G5.

Just a question - and not saying you're wrong - but if this is the case, how have they not been able to recruit better given all of this? Admission standards? And how much of Freeze's salary has been because of his recent success and making it more difficult for a P5 job to lure him away?

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

Just a question - and not saying you're wrong - but if this is the case, how have they not been able to recruit better given all of this? Admission standards? And how much of Freeze's salary has been because of his recent success and making it more difficult for a P5 job to lure him away?

Per Wiki... "Liberty University is a private Evangelical university in Lynchburg, Virginia. It was founded by Jerry Falwell Sr. and Elmer L. Towns in 1971."

Let's just say that it isn't the best locale & as a private, Evangelical university, some things aren't as permissible as most universities. No Big name either. Freeze will have to make strides with wins like Bowden did with FSU to have a chance.

 

[mando]

His last class was a three star class: every single one of them.

No bright lights going into that stadium or a bowl game. No CFP playoff hype or realistic path to the NFL. So players as well as coaches view it differently otherwise there would be 4-5 starts going there.

I believe there's some bias in that thought because of who you are.

Indeed there is as is most things. I will say as a competitor you want to prove yourself to see if you measure up. Now eventually age will dampen that. I use to compete in everything as I was raised/wired that way. As I have gotten older (not as old as 50+ ) that has certainly changed some. More about how can I help others be successful at this point but given the right situation it can still rear its head. Maybe that is where Freeze is in his career.

Doesn't matter who is the HC this fall.. They are likely to have 3-5 losses this year and next year.

Doesn't that describe the norm for the Barn? It is the exception when there is only 1 or 2 losses for cow patty U.

 

[TerryP]

Better being subjective...but...
SEC vs CUSA...
Recruiting...
Competition...
....to start with.....

SEC vs SEC competition and recruiting.
CUSA vs CUSA competition and recruiting.

Now we're right back to support structure which is better at Liberty.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

As I have gotten older (not as old as 50+ )

hey...I caught that...!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol

Its ok. ...... i am happy to get here..... grasshopper!..lol

 

[50+yeartidefan]

SEC vs SEC competition and recruiting.
CUSA vs CUSA competition and recruiting.

Now we're right back to support structure which is better at Liberty.

damn...we agree on something.....OMG

And probably a lot other things better...... that ugly AU orange and blue....another think better forLiberty

 

[XXL TideFan]

Auburn is looking for a man with non-existent scruples, someone that has a win at all cost mentality, they are looking for a man that can’t drive a motorcycle with illicit booty as a passenger.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Do not pass go and do not collect $200.

LU is one of the better coaching jobs in college football. It's better than a lot of P5 jobs.

Few schools can touch the monies invested in their athletics and even fewer can compete with the amount they pay their head coach. Their facilities are better than 90% of college football programs: P5 and G5.

I was born at Night but not Last Night

 

[BamaFan334]

Damn, who gives a shit about Liberty. Fallwell got popped with leasing his wife out to the pool boy. Yeah, very lilly white university built on religion. Exactly what is wrong with professed Christians versus actual followers, and gives true followers a bad maniacal name. That being said, back to my original point, who gives a shit about Liberty? Not anyone that wants to play with the big boys. It's a rehab school for Freeze, we all know this. He had to do something to work on his image. Do they pay? It appears so. Are their facilities nice? I personally have no clue and never ever care to do the reaerch to find out. All coaches want to win a Championship. Everyone of them temper expectations based on their school, roster, and abilities, but the ultimate goal is to catch fire and rise to the big boy ranks and play for Championships. You're not a true believer as a coach unless you want to win it all while developing young men and women in the process.

 

[TerryP]

Just a question - and not saying you're wrong - but if this is the case, how have they not been able to recruit better given all of this? Admission standards? And how much of Freeze's salary has been because of his recent success and making it more difficult for a P5 job to lure him away?

They have been and hold that thought.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned Ian McCaw. He's the current AD at LU, former AD at Baylor. He's been at LU since 2016.

McCaw took the AD job at Baylor in 2003. He was there until he took the Liberty job. I don't know how old you are so saying "Baylor in '03" may not mean a thing. What you see at Baylor now is what he built there: he just "capped" the money source and supporters.

As mentioned he took over the Liberty job in 2016. You asked about recruiting? Their class was ranked around 190th that year in football. This season they're @90. Five years ago you'd see 3's on the roster but they only accounted for a ⅓, maybe. There's also several guys on that roster that weren't ranked at all. It was a Big South roster.

These things I mention at Liberty today are new. Facilities, brand new. The money going to football; new. Money towards the athletic department: new.

Circling back I don't see Freeze going to Auburn. As I hope you can see I believe there's reason for him to turn down a number of opportunities that may seem better by brand name.

 

[Justneedme81]

Damn, who gives a shit about Liberty. Fallwell got popped with leasing his wife out to the pool boy. Yeah, very lilly white university built on religion. Exactly what is wrong with professed Christians versus actual followers, and gives true followers a bad maniacal name. That being said, back to my original point, who gives a shit about Liberty? Not anyone that wants to play with the big boys. It's a rehab school for Freeze, we all know this. He had to do something to work on his image. Do they pay? It appears so. Are their facilities nice? I personally have no clue and never ever care to know. All coaches want to win a Championship. Everyone of them temper expectations based on their school, roster, and abilities, but the ultimate goal is to catch fire and rise to the big boy ranks and play for Championships. You're not a true believer as a coach unless you want to win it all while developing young men and women in the process.

If you really believe that, then I have an island to sell you.

 

[TerryP]

Damn, who gives a shit about Liberty.

People said the same thing about Baylor 20 years ago. And damn, things change.

Who gives a shit about a girls school in Florida ... said on a Saturday afternoon, a half of a century ago, when talking about a Florida school in Tallahassee.

 

[BamaFan334]

People said the same thing about Baylor 20 years ago. And damn, things change.

Who gives a shit about a girls school in Florida ... said on a Saturday afternoon, a half of a century ago, when talking about a Florida school in Tallahassee.

Comparing Liberty to Baylor and Florida State? Wanna put a wager on that happening in the next 10-20 years? Not to mention you're talking about right now, not in 20 years.

 

[BamaFan334]

If you really believe that, then I have an island to sell you.

You're a fool if you don't think a coach wants to win. Why on Earth are you working with individuals if your goal isn't to compete? Go work as a trainer or instructor rather than being a coach if that's the case. Just look at all the cheating and illegal actions taken by MANY coaches to WIN. The movie Blue Chips was a stark reality of college athletics, not a fairy tale.

 

[TerryP]

Comparing Liberty to Baylor and Florida State? Wanna put a wager on that happening in the next 10-20 years?

Placing a wager on something when we're not even in the same sports book.

I'm comparing Ian McCaw to Vaughn Mancha. I'm comparing the job McCaw did building that athletic program at Baylor to the job he's doing right now; building the athletic department at Liberty.

You say the next 10-20 years. When LU joins CUSA they will have the nicest facilities in that conference. As mentioned, with a head coach making twice as much as any rival in that conference. Next season.

Getting back on track here.

I've said, right now, the Liberty job is a better job than Auburn. While there are attempts to diminish Liberty's progress it doesn't change that.

 

[BamaFan334]

Placing a wager on something when we're not even in the same sports book.

I'm comparing Ian McCaw to Vaughn Mancha. I'm comparing the job McCaw did building that athletic program at Baylor to the job he's doing right now; building the athletic department at Liberty.

You say the next 10-20 years. When LU joins CUSA they will have the nicest facilities in that conference. As mentioned, with a head coach making twice as much as any rival in that conference. Next season.

Getting back on track here.

I've said, right now, the Liberty job is a better job than Auburn. While there are attempts to diminish Liberty's progress it doesn't change that.

Guess time will tell, but I don't see Liberty climbing the progressive ladder to a contender in big time college football. The job? I don't see folks lining up for that job, but willing the line is longer at Auburn regardless of the crap they're in right now.

We'll also see if all of the turmoil at the top, at Liberty, starts trickling down and affecting programs within the university. I'll be interested to see donations and funding the last five years and compare to the next five.

 

[Justneedme81]

Guess time will tell, but I don't see Liberty climbing the progressive ladder to a contender in big time college football. The job? I don't see folks lining up for that job, but willing the line is longer at Auburn regardless of the crap they're in right now.

We'll also see if all of the turmoil at the top, at Liberty, starts trickling down and affecting programs within the university. I'll be interested to see donations and funding the last five years and compare to the next five.

This is incredible to see you trying to argue whole different point when Terry was trying to tell you over and over.... Hugh isn't leaving Liberty for Auburn because he has more resources than he will get at Auburn. The man may be a cheater and liar, but he aint' stupid to go somewhere where booster is an issue.

 

[BamaFan334]

This is incredible to see you trying to argue whole different point when Terry was trying to tell you over and over.... Hugh isn't leaving Liberty for Auburn because he has more resources than he will get at Auburn. The man may be a cheater and liar, but he aint' stupid to go somewhere where booster is an issue.

I never said he was. Guess you're attempting to make something out of something that isn't there, or making something else up in your mind all together. I simply said I cannot believe this topic has us talking about how "great" Liberty is and why any of us are giving this much thought into what is going on at Auburn, as if we truly care. I never said one word about Freeze looking at Auburn. I never even said that would be a good move for him. I simply stated in my last comment Auburn has more people in line to take over as coach than Liberty. I also stated coaches want to win it all as their ultimate goal, and that I've never met a coach that didn't. To which you chimed in and now you're deflecting on something else.

 

[Justneedme81]

I never said he was. Guess you're attempting to make something out of something that isn't there, or making something else up in your mind all together. I simply said I cannot believe this topic has us talking about how "great" Liberty is and why any of us are giving this much thought into what is going on at Auburn, as if we truly care. I never said one word about Freeze looking at Auburn. I never even said that would be a good move for him. I simply stated in my last comment Auburn has more people in line to take over as coach than Liberty. I also stated coaches want to win it all as their ultimate goal, and that I've never met a coach that didn't. To which you chimed in and now you're deflecting on something else.

you went out of your way to argue that Hugh would leave Liberty to go to Auburn where it's a big name school, etc. Did you not say that?