| FTBL Auburn Cheap Shot on LSU's Glenn Dorsey

[Proud Tiger]

It was clearly an illegal block, but honestly it's not even among the worst I've seen. It was a quick pass, and in real time Dorsey was just engaging the other lineman when he was cut. Had the low block occurred first it would have been entirely legal. Blocking below the waist is legal as long he hasn't been engaged first high by a second player (high/low), and you're in the free blocking zone.

On quick passes, it's a good practice to cut a lineman to occupy their hands to keep them from knocking down a pass. Any other time, if the defensive lineman crosses your face going to the ball, cut them. D-linemen don't like it, but it's entirely legal. If you cut a guy, he'll think twice about stunts, and he'll be more interested in keeping his hands on you to control you - that means less penetration and a slower path to the ball.

The media love fest with Dorsey is getting old. The sideline reporter's stretch-by-stretch reporting on his hamstring was high drama.

RTR,

Tim

Thanks for a sane post. I agree it was a bad thing but no one can say it was done with malice. I bet Ramsey feels worse than anyone. Tubs has apologized.

 

[HiTide]

I agree it was a bad thing but no one can say it was done with malice.

There is no way in hell you take this position had it been one of your D Lineman on the receiving end. No way in hell. Did you watch the video? I guess some folks can see it with their own eyes and still convince themselves that what they're seeing isn't real.
I can say it was done with malice just as easily as you can say it wasn't. What does that matter? It was cheap and dirty.

Tubs has apologized.

Oh well, nevermind. Tubby has apologized. Everythings just fine.

Unbelieveable :roll:

 

[billfish]

Tubs may have apologized but Miles is asking the SEC to review.

I mean...what do you say about an amateur lineman cutting an NFL quality lineman?

If I were a D lineman and found myself lined up across from this POS I'd simply tell him I'll break his balls if he hits my knees 1 time.

My guess is the SEC will just issue a letter re-enforcing the illegal block rules. Barn will of course hate that it happened and in no way promotes this type of play...blah, blah, blah.

Either way.....pitiful.

 

[Outlaw]

Again, there is a distinct different in what I consider a cut block and this. When I cut (and you almost HAVE to cut on a 3 step drop)I would just take the DL's legs out from under him. I wouldn't aim my helmet at his knees, I wouldn't try to do any kind of harm/injury to him, I would just take his legs out from under him so that I knew he had no chance of batting the pass down and I had no chance of getting my butt chewed out when I came out after we scored.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

It was clearly an illegal block, but honestly it's not even among the worst I've seen. It was a quick pass, and in real time Dorsey was just engaging the other lineman when he was cut. Had the low block occurred first it would have been entirely legal. Blocking below the waist is legal as long he hasn't been engaged first high by a second player (high/low), and you're in the free blocking zone.

On quick passes, it's a good practice to cut a lineman to occupy their hands to keep them from knocking down a pass. Any other time, if the defensive lineman crosses your face going to the ball, cut them. D-linemen don't like it, but it's entirely legal. If you cut a guy, he'll think twice about stunts, and he'll be more interested in keeping his hands on you to control you - that means less penetration and a slower path to the ball.

The media love fest with Dorsey is getting old. The sideline reporter's stretch-by-stretch reporting on his hamstring was high drama.

RTR,

Tim

Thanks for a sane post. I agree it was a bad thing but no one can say it was done with malice. I bet Ramsey feels worse than anyone. Tubs has apologized.

You thank me for a sane post by making two unsupportable statements. None of us knows if it was done with or without malice, and none of knows how Ramsey feels relative to everyone else. I bet Ramsey has a mean streak, and no one can say Tubs isn't a piece of crap.

There. Don't ever accuse me of a sane post again.

 

[billfish]

It was clearly an illegal block, but honestly it's not even among the worst I've seen. It was a quick pass, and in real time Dorsey was just engaging the other lineman when he was cut. Had the low block occurred first it would have been entirely legal. Blocking below the waist is legal as long he hasn't been engaged first high by a second player (high/low), and you're in the free blocking zone.

On quick passes, it's a good practice to cut a lineman to occupy their hands to keep them from knocking down a pass. Any other time, if the defensive lineman crosses your face going to the ball, cut them. D-linemen don't like it, but it's entirely legal. If you cut a guy, he'll think twice about stunts, and he'll be more interested in keeping his hands on you to control you - that means less penetration and a slower path to the ball.

The media love fest with Dorsey is getting old. The sideline reporter's stretch-by-stretch reporting on his hamstring was high drama.

RTR,

Tim

Thanks for a sane post. I agree it was a bad thing but no one can say it was done with malice. I bet Ramsey feels worse than anyone. Tubs has apologized.

You thank me for a sane post by making two unsupportable statements. None of us knows if it was done with or without malice, and none of knows how Ramsey feels relative to everyone else. I bet Ramsey has a mean streak, and no one can say Tubs isn't a piece of crap.
There. Don't ever accuse me of a sane post again.

Hear,Hear

 

[AlaphaMale]

It was clearly an illegal block, but honestly it's not even among the worst I've seen. It was a quick pass, and in real time Dorsey was just engaging the other lineman when he was cut. Had the low block occurred first it would have been entirely legal. Blocking below the waist is legal as long he hasn't been engaged first high by a second player (high/low), and you're in the free blocking zone.

On quick passes, it's a good practice to cut a lineman to occupy their hands to keep them from knocking down a pass. Any other time, if the defensive lineman crosses your face going to the ball, cut them. D-linemen don't like it, but it's entirely legal. If you cut a guy, he'll think twice about stunts, and he'll be more interested in keeping his hands on you to control you - that means less penetration and a slower path to the ball.

The media love fest with Dorsey is getting old. The sideline reporter's stretch-by-stretch reporting on his hamstring was high drama.

RTR,

Tim

Thanks for a sane post. I agree it was a bad thing but no one can say it was done with malice. I bet Ramsey feels worse than anyone. Tubs has apologized.

You thank me for a sane post by making two unsupportable statements. None of us knows if it was done with or without malice, and none of knows how Ramsey feels relative to everyone else. I bet Ramsey has a mean streak, and no one can say Tubs isn't a piece of crap.
There. Don't ever accuse me of a sane post again.

Hear,Hear

Dear God. This may be the first instance of someone on the internet getting that right.

 

[gumboman]

It was just another typical cheap shot, THAT WAS COACHED, by those "wanna-be's". Auburn does not have a clue about how to play "the game." They think they have a right to walk with a little swagger in this state, but it is clearly a case of "Is this how we walk with swagger???...Yeah this feels good." Point is that they have no clue about Pride, Tradition, Excellence and Honor. That is why they have 2 recruits from the state of Alabama. TWO!! Nobody in their own state wants to play for them....Kinda like Al Gore losing the election in his home state of Tennessee. Sure you can put together a winning team from all over the country, but you can't do it in your own back yard? To me that speaks volumes, and that is why they will never understand why they will always have to look up at us....no matter how high they can count on their fingers. They will never get it.

 

[Swamptick]

Typical dirty Barn stuff there. The only people who can defend that are those without eyesight.

If I were an AU fan I would be ashamed of that player and the coaching staff. It is clear he was told to try to make it look like he was tripped or pushed into Dorsey's leg.

Just like the Barn. If you can't win, cheat and hope you get away with it. Congratulations Auburn..you got away with a clearly dirty play. You could have ended a young man's career. Shame!

 

[Proud Tiger]

I agree it was a bad thing but no one can say it was done with malice.

There is no way in hell you take this position had it been one of your D Lineman on the receiving end. No way in hell. Did you watch the video? I guess some folks can see it with their own eyes and still convince themselves that what they're seeing isn't real.

I guess the ref standing right there looking at it convinced himself too , right?

Look, I don't know anyone who thinks it wasn't a bad thing but can anyone say for a fact it was with malice and our guy was deliberately trying to hurt Dorsey? Answer....NO!!! You may have a biased opinion just like I do but neither of us can say tht what happened was deliberate.

 

[2bama2]

So the next time there is a personal foul that should have been called on AU and isn't you'll feel this same way, right?

 

[Proud Tiger]

So the next time there is a personal foul that should have been called on AU and isn't you'll feel this same way, right?

Of couse not. If you sat with me at games you would hear me mumbling about calls that should have been made on us or the other team. For example, if you go back and look at our game with LSU last year, you wll see David irons getting away with a flagrant pass interference. Everyone gets away with some, even Bama heaver forbid

All fans have short memories. Some LSU fans are upset with the chop block that has been discussed here as well. But no one mentions the personal foul called on the LSU player in last year's game that wnet after Cox's knees and left him in pain and hobbling the rest of the season. he was called fo the personal foul. Was he disciplined? NO!! We should all quit trhowing these rocks in glass houses.

By the way there is an interesting article on some of this in College Football News (author is Zemek):

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf

 

[HiTide]

Was he disciplined? NO!!

I guess two wrongs = right.

You seem like a level headed Barner, so let me ask you: Do you not think that he should, at least for one game, be suspended? If not, do you think it shines a positive light on AU to have nothing happen after an incident like this (except a half-hearted apology followed up immediately by an excuse).

Honestly, I guess it really doesn't matter at this point. Ramsey's "cold-blooded" move (as Pat Dye descriped it today) was seen nationally, and the impression has already been made.

 

[Argo]

That is the response I've seen used the most frequently.

"Well, Tubs doesn't teach that. It was just two freshman players making a mistake.....BUT...LSU plays dirty too!! They have no room to talk."

:roll:

 

[imatigerfan]

First I'd like to say I am embarrased by it and hope to see him disiplined in some way. I think it was intentional and as an Auburn fan it makes me pretty mad.

Tubs may have apologized but Miles is asking the SEC to review.

I mean...what do you say about an amateur lineman cutting an NFL quality lineman?

If I were a D lineman and found myself lined up across from this POS I'd simply tell him I'll break his balls if he hits my knees 1 time.

My guess is the SEC will just issue a letter re-enforcing the illegal block rules. Barn will of course hate that it happened and in no way promotes this type of play...blah, blah, blah.

Either way.....pitiful.

I really don't think it matters if it is a NFL quality or not, what he did was wrong completely, focusing on who the person is has nothing to do with it.

It was just another typical cheap shot, THAT WAS COACHED, by those "wanna-be's". Auburn does not have a clue about how to play "the game." They think they have a right to walk with a little swagger in this state, but it is clearly a case of "Is this how we walk with swagger???...Yeah this feels good." Point is that they have no clue about Pride, Tradition, Excellence and Honor. That is why they have 2 recruits from the state of Alabama. TWO!! Nobody in their own state wants to play for them....Kinda like Al Gore losing the election in his home state of Tennessee. Sure you can put together a winning team from all over the country, but you can't do it in your own back yard? To me that speaks volumes, and that is why they will never understand why they will always have to look up at us....no matter how high they can count on their fingers. They will never get it.

YES! I was wondering how long it would take for me to get to read one of these. You know, the, "hey look, I'm not going to talk about the topic on hand at all, instead I am going to spout how increadible Alabama is and that no matter how good Auburn is I will simply ignore everything and insist that "da barn" can never be as good as us." I mean c'mon man, first you say it was coached, please inform us how you know this, second you explain how Auburn knows nothing of pride blah blah blah. Ya, you're right man, only Alabama could have pride and tradition, I mean sure let's forget the Tiger Walk that we started, lets forget Toomer's Corner, we don't know tradishun...right? I just don't get it.

As for the sane Bama fans, sorry about the rant.

 

[Proud Tiger]

Was he disciplined? NO!!

I guess two wrongs = right.---Your words not mine. All I stated was facts. In the case of the LSU player last year, a personal foul penalty was called but there was no subsequent discipline. In the curent case no penalty was called. So why should LSU or anyone else say our guy should be disciplined. Sounds hypocritical to me.

You seem like a level headed Barner, so let me ask you: Do you not think that he should, at least for one game, be suspended? I don't have enough info to give an intelligent answer to that and neither do you. I'm sure the coaches have looked at film and talked to the guy. Whatever they decide to do is OK with me. You as a Bama fan are no diffferent. If Saban says the sky is purple you say "wow it really is."

 

[RollinInPcola]

I finally got a chance to watch the replay on this a couple times.

To anyone that posts he was "tripped" or "knocked into the guy" its complete and utter BS.

The player is standing freely in the line, hands up, shifting his feet, he leans away from Dorsey, then falls into his legs. IF it was unintentional, then the player went against the shift of his body when he fell and thats pretty unlikely.

Im sure with as much attention that block got from the announcers and such that the coaching staff is well aware of it and will deal with it accordingly. At least I hope they do.

 

[Wiseace615]

 

[Guest]

ROFL!!!!!!!

 

[Bamaman37]

That is awesome!