🏈 Alabama safety Mark Barron arrested on misdemeanor charge

[planomateo]

choice and consequences. that is the biggest lesson I'm trying to teach my kiddo's.

 

[TerryP]

Technically, if you are involved in a traffic accident, you are required to stay on scene and give your information according to 32-10-2. With Barron being on scene, and being the owner of the vehicle, he is obligated to give his information to the LEO.

Furthermore, the 5th amendment does not apply to Barron's arrest. The 5th amendment simply states Barron is not compelled to be a witness against himself in a criminal case. Barron was arrested for not being smart.

Jason, I don't know about you considering you are in law enforcement. But me? I don't make a statement to anyone without my lawyer.

Yes, it's pissed a officer off...but still, I don't think there is a safer way to go. Yet, it'll still tick off the officer.

 

[Duder]

Barron seems like a good kid to me; this incident doesn't change that opinion. It will be message board fodder for a few weeks and then no one will care except Mark and those personally involved. In the realm of stupid acts recently committed by football players, this is far from important. Mark will learn a valuable lesson, probably have some tough days with Cochrane and move on with his life and career.

 

[Southern Bama]

Jason, I don't know about you considering you are in law enforcement. But me? I don't make a statement to anyone without my lawyer.

Yes, it's pissed a officer off...but still, I don't think there is a safer way to go. Yet, it'll still tick off the officer.

Honest law abiding people dont need to have criminal lawyer on speed dial but alot of law breakers do.

 

[GivinEmTheBusiness]

Cousin must mean more to him than his relationship with Saban and the players.

Well, I would certainly hope so. They didn't start making thicker water did they?

 

[4th-and-1]

Honest law abiding people dont need to have criminal lawyer on speed dial but alot of law breakers do.

glen coffee is an honest law abiding citizen, but apparently while driving home one day the laws changed on him..

it is not always black and white..

 

[4th-and-1]

Technically, if you are involved in a traffic accident, you are required to stay on scene and give your information according to 32-10-2. With Barron being on scene, and being the owner of the vehicle, he is obligated to give his information to the LEO.

Furthermore, the 5th amendment does not apply to Barron's arrest. The 5th amendment simply states Barron is not compelled to be a witness against himself in a criminal case. Barron was arrested for not being smart.

not trying to be argumenative here.. i just want to understand..

i was under the impression that everything said between you and a cop CAN be used against you in a court of law.. and if this is the case then someone could possibly incriminate themselves by not keeping quiet..

i am also not seeing where barron lied to the cop.. he did not give the identity of the driver, but he did not give a false identity either... for all the cop knew maybe barron refered to his cousin as "bull"..

 

[JoshB]

not trying to be argumenative here.. i just want to understand..

i was under the impression that everything said between you and a cop CAN be used against you in a court of law.. and if this is the case then someone could possibly incriminate themselves by not keeping quiet..

i am also not seeing where barron lied to the cop.. he did not give the identity of the driver, but he did not give a false identity either... for all the cop knew maybe barron refered to his cousin as "bull"..

you have the right to remain silent, anything you say or do will be held against you in the court of law... but he wasnt arrested so that doesnt apply i would think. BECAUSE he didnt speak up is why he was arrested.

 

[Southern Bama]

not trying to be argumenative here.. i just want to understand..

i was under the impression that everything said between you and a cop CAN be used against you in a court of law.. and if this is the case then someone could possibly incriminate themselves by not keeping quiet..

i am also not seeing where barron lied to the cop.. he did not give the identity of the driver, but he did not give a false identity either... for all the cop knew maybe barron refered to his cousin as "bull"..

My guess is the officer knows more of the situation that you do and seldom if ever does a press release have the entire story. Bottom line is he lied and will have to face the consequences of his poor choice.

 

[TerryP]

Honest law abiding people dont need to have criminal lawyer on speed dial but alot of law breakers do.

I'm a law abiding citizen and I have my lawyer on my phone...it's not as cut and dried as some tend to portray the situation.

 

[Argo]

not trying to be argumenative here.. i just want to understand..

i was under the impression that everything said between you and a cop CAN be used against you in a court of law.. and if this is the case then someone could possibly incriminate themselves by not keeping quiet..

i am also not seeing where barron lied to the cop.. he did not give the identity of the driver, but he did not give a false identity either... for all the cop knew maybe barron refered to his cousin as "bull"..

I know you aren't trying to be argumentative, and I'm not trying to sound like a know it all.

1st, understand that a one vehicle accident isn't a crime. It's a traffic accident. The crime took place AFTER the traffic accident. The driver of the vehicle left the scene. Barron was not the driver, therefore he committed no crime. Because he was not being arrested and had committed no crime, the 5th amendment does not apply to his questioning. They were not trying to arrest him, they were trying to find out why the driver left the scene.

I'm still not sure that I'm explaining this clearly. Porter could probably do a better job if he so desired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona

 

[Argo]

And the bottom line is, Barron should have been truthful and he would have been at home with a wrecker bill.

 

[LBS]

LEO rolls up on an accident scene. Son of owner is only one there, and says "some guy name Bull took the car".....So the LEO says "No. Your Cousin was the driver"?!?

There is a HUGE amount of information missing that would allow someone to connect that beginning of the story to the end.

From a Prosecution stand point, how will the court prove that Lang wrecked the car, because until they prove that they can't disprove Mark's story.

 

[CrimsonSurfer]

i am also not seeing where barron lied to the cop.. he did not give the identity of the driver, but he did not give a false identity either... for all the cop knew maybe barron refered to his cousin as "bull"..

So you believe Barron doesn't know his cousin's real name?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/details_emerge_in_the_arrest_o.html

"Barron told the officer his car had been taken without permission by a man he only knew by the nickname "Bull," Levy said."

 

[bama29fan]

I'd bet that most (if not all) who have been pulled over for speeding have lied to a cop. When he walks up and ask do you know how fast you were going...the honest answer (in most cases) is yes officer......

They know you most likely just lied to them but they dont take you to jail.....I dont know the whole Barron story but from what i have read I dont see the big deal here

 

[psychojoe]

As Coach Saban alluded to in his presser, we'd certainly have preferred that Mark had been totally forthcoming with the policeman. Between the court appearance he will have to make and discipline provided bt Saban/Cochrane, I am sure this will be a lesson well learned.

 

[UAgrad93]

As Coach Saban alluded to in his presser, we'd certainly have preferred that Mark had been totally forthcoming with the policeman. Between the court appearance he will have to make and discipline provided bt Saban/Cochrane, I am sure this will be a lesson well learned.

No doubt that the message will be received loud and clear from Cochran!!

 

[Argo]

LEO rolls up on an accident scene. Son of owner is only one there, and says "some guy name Bull took the car".....So the LEO says "No. Your Cousin was the driver"?!?

There is a HUGE amount of information missing that would allow someone to connect that beginning of the story to the end.

From a Prosecution stand point, how will the court prove that Lang wrecked the car, because until they prove that they can't disprove Mark's story.

This I totally agree with. Of course, it won't matter. I'm guessing Barron will plead guilty as part of a condition in his punishment by Saban.

 

[LBS]

So you believe Barron doesn't know his cousin's real name?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/details_emerge_in_the_arrest_o.html

"Barron told the officer his car had been taken without permission by a man he only knew by the nickname "Bull," Levy said."

Mark said that it was Bull. The Officer said it was his cousin. Mark said he did not know Bull's name...that is truthful as far as we know.

My issue is that we have an artical that does not tell a story that makes sense, whether because everything is not known yet or because the truth makes no sense.

Consider this; "The officer determined through questioning the car had been taken by Barron's cousin, Jeremy Lang, who fled the scene, Levy said."

The only questioning that we are told of says that Lang was not the driver, but the LEO "determined" that he was. What body of evidence leads the LEO to arrest Mark for withholding information.

Honestly, I could easier see him being arrested for being the driver that his cousin.

Also, how is it that not remembering details accurately after a night of drinking has not been considered as a possibility?

 

[joeman546]

And Mark's cousin cant appreciate the sacrifice and promptly gets himself jailed for possession of cocaine. You might not like what Mark did to get arrested, but hes far and away fromm being labeled a bad person, unlike his cousin.