🏈 A-Day In Review.

[TerryP]

#4 Sims - 14 Rec - 152 yards
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#5 Diggs - 11 Rec - 88 yards
#6 Keif - 4 rec - 31 yards

**** I guess you're right, Diggs damn near out produced Deter. Big time #'s! :rolf:

Once again, dodging the corrections.

Diether didn't have an impact.
Okay, he did blocking.

Other WR's rarely get in.
Okay, they did.

But let's go back to the number of receptions since that defines the WR position at Bama. :smh:

 

[Tidestalker]

Once again, dodging the corrections.

Diether didn't have an impact.
Okay, he did blocking.

Other WR's rarely get in.
Okay, they did.

But let's go back to the number of receptions since that defines the WR position at Bama. :smh:

I ain't dodging sh*t brotha... I can admit when I'm off.

When #5/6 avg 1 reception a game and less than 10 yards,that means they either rarely get in or they're DECOYS. BLOCKERS.

When #3 avg 1 reception a game he is a non factor. AKA the defense does not need to prepare for him. He's just the slot receiver in the way on bubble screens.

I'll absolutely stand by the idea that any scholly'd WR on the roster could have done what Deiter did... Make blocks, miss blocks, catch 1 pass a game, and drop passes.

And I'll definitely stand by the idea that he couldn't do what Mullaney did. Stage was too big for him. Mullaney had big cojonas (spanish for balls, I believe). Deiter had the alligator arms. #TeamSlottyPippen

 

[TerryP]

BLOCKERS.

Which is where this all started, stalker.

You implied three were needed. I want more. Why? There's more to being a WR than catching the ball.

It's your opinion Dieter couldn't have the same type of year with Coker. I believe he could. There's no way we can compare the two with opponents in common. Dieter tore up an average UT secondary while Mullaney tore up a bad USC secondary. Are those comparable? That's a personal judgment.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I'll give you this - Dieter did make some positive impacts. The point I should have clarified is that it was no more valuable than any other scholarshiped WR on the roster could have done, and likely less judging by the drops. Yes, he did block or get in the way of some defenders while Ridley/Stewart/Harris ran to the end zone. He also missed some blocks. In no way would I believe that a healthy Cam Sims/Kief could not have done the same.

Now - As far as arguing to argue. How do you read Terry's posts in this thread, with any objectivity, and not accuse him of such? He's arguing that a player with almost 3X less catches, and half the yards, would have out produced the player that played behind the same 2 WR's, with the same OC, and another first year starter QB the year after?


Someone is arguing to argue... Got that part right.

After stating that after the first 4 WR's, the rotation is basically meaningless, Terry and others go on to express how our #3 caught all of 14 passes last season yet #5/#6 need to be used as more than decoys this year. Huh? IT NEVER HAPPENS. And you can't tell me when it has under Saban. That is reality. #5/#6 will get mop up snaps at best... The others eat up almost all meaningful production.

Ok, let's take your point about Dieter making blocks but also missing some...

If he was THAT mediocre/bad as a blocker, how much WORSE were any other receivers not named Stewart and Ridley at it, for him to start over all the others?

 

[alagator]

If he was THAT mediocre/bad as a blocker, how much WORSE were any other receivers not named Stewart and Ridley at it, for him to start over all the others?

This goes to show how baseless his argument is from the start. The point he's choosing to ignore the difference in Jalen and Jake is laughable. To use his words, "blows me away."

 

[Tidestalker]

Ok, let's take your point about Dieter making blocks but also missing some...

If he was THAT mediocre/bad as a blocker, how much WORSE were any other receivers not named Stewart and Ridley at it, for him to start over all the others?

Which brings me to the very first post that caught Terry's attention... I have no idea. I do know that Sims was banged for much of the season and Foster was physically and mentally injured. If he was indeed the best we had, it wasn't very impressive.

Whether y'all want to admit it or not, there are times you've questioned why certain guys are playing. Lots of coaches just "believe" in certain players, whether their play justifies it or not. Maybe it's practice, or expectations, physical upside, etc. Leon Brown & Dom Jackson come to mind. Shoot Denzell Devall was pass rushing over Tim Williams for the better part of 3.5 years. Doesn't make their play any better in retrospect.

 

[Tidestalker]

This goes to show how baseless his argument is from the start. The point he's choosing to ignore the difference in Jalen and Jake is laughable. To use his words, "blows me away."

Dude... If you had to phone a friend for $1,000,00 - Jake Coker or Jalen Hurts? C'mon man. He wasn't exactly a rocket scientist under center. Coker became a gamer by the end of the season, but it's not like the staff was throwing the kitchen sink at him either.

I believe Hurts in his first year could digest every big as much as Coker in his 5th year. He was known for getting the ball out late... Hurts just took off instead. Both good in different ways, but in no way was Coker running some type of sophisticated scheme where Kiffin gave him the reigns. He had more delay of games than any QB I could ever remember, usually waiting for Kiffin to signal in the plays.

 

[alagator]

I have no idea. I do know that Sims was banged for much of the season and Foster was physically and mentally injured.

No.

If Sims is banged up and not able to perform why is he in the rotation 14 games?

Foster mentally injured? Oh gawd. Dude. Seriously? He wasn't injured last year. He wasn't doing what is required of a WR. Oh, one of those things? Adequate blocking downfield.

Shoot Denzell Devall was pass rushing over Tim Williams for the better part of 3.5 years. Doesn't make their play any better in retrospect.

DD was a better all around player than Williams.

The staff chooses to play players who give us the best chance to win. But oh no... quit already.

 

[Tidestalker]

No.

If Sims is banged up and not able to perform why is he in the rotation 14 games?

Foster mentally injured? Oh gawd. Dude. Seriously? He wasn't injured last year. He wasn't doing what is required of a WR. Oh, one of those things? Adequate blocking downfield.



DD was a better all around player than Williams.

The staff chooses to play players who give us the best chance to win. But oh no... quit already.

At 2:02:15 Saban regrets the hell out having his best blocker on the field... guarantee you that


Sims appearing in 14 games doesn't mean he was healthy. I give him credit for rushing back last year, he should have RS'd.

And who said anything about best all around player? With sub packages, Williams was far more valuable as a pass rusher. Staff realized half way through the year that Devall wasn't producing, they made a change. Just like the staff went away from Deiter about 1/3 in, but left him to be a glorified blocker.

If anything, this conversation has brought to light that we are in far better shape this year at WR than last year. Certainly an upgrade in production in the 3 hole, barring Stone Hands from Unnecessary Roughness doesn't transfer in this summer.