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[ComeOnSon]

You are right. He had a concussion and couldn't come back in.

Also, according to Boz, Henry went off on Stewart after the game because of his attitude and route running. He ran the wrong route on Bateman's INT. He said Stewart has been an attitude issue all season. He also mentioned that real issues exist between Kiffin and Saban with play calling. No surprise there, but Saban was going to take more control in that area. Most knew Kiffin would be gone after this year, but this solidifies it. I don't say that he is right on everything but he does have some inside sources. Everyone should check out what a former Bama player who is in the NFL told him about the defense and Saban's stubborness. Not encouraging.

Where can I find this?

 

[DT55FOREVER]

To be fair, what system/scheme do you suggest going to? Because there are teams across the country running all different kinds of schemes to stop it and can't. I'm all for changing something if it doesn't work but you have to be able to change to something that works. And right now you can look across the country and there's simply not much (if anything) that is truly "working".

Like I said, when the rules are bent so much into the offenses favor and the ones in place aren't even being enforced by the refs. I'm not sure there is a "scheme" that will truly work.

Use a 4-3 Over system used by earlier University of Miami teams would be a good option.
Must have players that can play three downs
Use substitutions between possessions
No player than 8 yards off LOS
Press coverage by corners
Safeties recruited and trained like corners
Inside receivers are covered by linebackers and safeties

Yes, the corners are on an island and they have to be coached well but we are supposed to already have great secondary coaches on our staff.

I don't expect any defense to completely stop these offenses but you want to limit their options and apply as much pressure at the line of scrimmage and in the backfield as possible. If an offense has too much time, you are screwed as a defense. With your defenders tighter, it allow you to adjust your pressure angles and drop players into coverage off the line. You have to use quicker players. The day of the larger inside linebacker are over.

You can use the 4-3 Over as a base and morph it into a 5 man front when needed. The key is pressure and dictating what the offense does instead of the other way around.

 

[DT55FOREVER]

Where can I find this?

I don't like to promote other websites but it came from Crimson Boz on Woollyal.com

He started the thread today at 7:01. It's title is "post game tidbits, thought, etc" Sorry, I don't know how to copy a link on here. Player gave some observations and inside knowledge about problems on team-defense and offense.

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

Kind of like how Quinton Dial lit up Andy Murray in the 2012 SEC CG.

Very nearly the same sequence of events. You either breakdown and really look to tackle or get the hell out of the way. He did neither and paid the price

 

[Rolltide24]

Fire Bobby Williams. Then teach DBs how to look for the ball.

 

[JoshB]

I don't like to promote other websites but it came from Crimson Boz on Woollyal.com

He started the thread today at 7:01. It's title is "post game tidbits, thought, etc" Sorry, I don't know how to copy a link on here. Player gave some observations and inside knowledge about problems on team-defense and offense.

I would take literally EVERYTHING he says with a massive grain of salt. For all of the supposed sources he has, damn near everything he has said has been completely wrong.

 

[wiregrass_bamaguy]

I would take literally EVERYTHING he says with a massive grain of salt. For all of the supposed sources he has, damn near everything he has said has been completely wrong.

lol such as Morris would be the starting qb?

 

[BigCrimson]

Use a 4-3 Over system used by earlier University of Miami teams would be a good option.
Must have players that can play three downs
Use substitutions between possessions
No player than 8 yards off LOS
Press coverage by corners
Safeties recruited and trained like corners
Inside receivers are covered by linebackers and safeties

Yes, the corners are on an island and they have to be coached well but we are supposed to already have great secondary coaches on our staff.

I don't expect any defense to completely stop these offenses but you want to limit their options and apply as much pressure at the line of scrimmage and in the backfield as possible. If an offense has too much time, you are screwed as a defense. With your defenders tighter, it allow you to adjust your pressure angles and drop players into coverage off the line. You have to use quicker players. The day of the larger inside linebacker are over.

You can use the 4-3 Over as a base and morph it into a 5 man front when needed. The key is pressure and dictating what the offense does instead of the other way around.

I haven't looked but are other teams running this and if no one is then why not?

 

[DT55FOREVER]

I haven't looked but are other teams running this and if no one is then why not?

Actually, Michigan State runs it and Stanford runs a very close version of it. Those are two that I can mention among others. Put Alabama's talent in those systems and you would see something special.

 

[DT55FOREVER]

lol such as Morris would be the starting qb?

To be fair, those who actually saw the practices and scrimmages will tell you that Morris was the best option to start right up until the beginning of the season. Coker was a trainwreck and Morris was the most consistent for most of fall camp. Saban pushed for Coker to be the starter due to his perceived experience. Boz did just the gun on Evans being out for the year but I'm not sure what all ya'll are claiming he got wrong.

 

[DT55FOREVER]

And by the way, Coker is not a good quarterback despite the heart he showed Saturday. He is 51-92 (55%) with 5 TD and 3 INT. He should actually have closer to 8 INT if defenders could catch the ball.

 

[DT55FOREVER]

Actually, Michigan State runs it and Stanford runs a very close version of it. Those are two that I can mention among others. Put Alabama's talent in those systems and you would see something special.

LSU also uses it which is why they tend to do better against the HUNH and read-option teams.

 

[Destiny's Child]

I will say this about Boz. He does have some insight and his posts are entertaining. Sometimes the info he is giving comes from a guy, who heard it from a guy and that guy is just wrong.

Boz also said that Braxton Miller was coming to Tuscaloosa and it was a done deal. There was a 30 page thread over on woolly about it and he defended that take and jumped all over anyone who doubted it or said that Miller would only be at bama as an h-back or tight end. So he has been dead wrong in the past but he has also been proven right several times also.

So just keep in mind when you read his stuff that it all comes from third party, sometimes multiple sources and they are wrong too sometimes. I don't think Boz does stuff trying to deceive anyone just swings and misses sometimes.

The Braxton Miller thing was a little obnoxious of him but it was the off season and everyone was bored..lol

 

[BigCrimson]

LSU also uses it which is why they tend to do better against the HUNH and read-option teams.

The past two years Michigan St has played Oregon they have surrendered 432 yards in 2015 and 466 yards in 2014

Oregon ran up 525 yards against Stanford in 2014 and 312 yards in 2013 with only 16 minutes of possessing the ball THE ENTIRE GAME. (Stanford possessed the ball over 42 minutes).

In the only game in which Oregon's offense was truly slowed down it wasn't because of the defense. It was because of the offense controlling the ball. Yet they still racked up over 300 yards in only 16 minutes of possessing the ball.

And when LSU played a good spread HUNH team in Auburn last season looked what happened. Surrendered 566 yards and 41 pts.

We surrendered 433 yards to Ole Miss Saturday night. Not much difference other than 5 turnovers.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

Use a 4-3 Over system used by earlier University of Miami teams would be a good option. Do you not see many of the actual formations have 4 guys put their hands in the dirt? The 3-4 is actually better suited to adjust personnel as needed.
Must have players that can play three downs... Many guys do.
Use substitutions between possessions... Do you realize you just contradicted your last remark? What is the point of substitutions if everybody is playing 3 downs? Besides, they were substituting like mad all night long. How could you not possibly see this?
No player than 8 yards off LOS...This doesn't bode well stopping the big play. You know the 3-5 play scoring drives that your were bemoaning.
Press coverage by corners... cannot be supported by playing man right now simply because of lack of experience. We must attempt to minimize the big plays first. Not 100% successful but who is?
Safeties recruited and trained like corners... This defense stops the run first. And oh, BTW, you know Eddie Jackson played corner years before going to safefty, right? But your source knew that I'm sure.
Inside receivers are covered by linebackers and safeties... You must missed all last season with Trey Depriest getting beat consistantly. He was in coverage & he was a linebacker. Oh & this guy CJ Moseley was really good at doing what your talking about but hey K Smart only taught that to him.

Yes, the corners are on an island and they have to be coached well but we are supposed to already have great secondary coaches on our staff. We have a new secondary coach. Most of our guys have been in a position to make the plays. They are young, not seeing the ball tends to come with time..

I don't expect any defense to completely stop these offenses but you want to limit their options and apply as much pressure at the line of scrimmage and in the backfield as possible. Agreed, that defense did get pressure on Kelly & I recall 5 block passes too.

You know DT 55 after, looking over my responses to this, I am sure that I am coming across as just picking on you. Please know that is definitely not my intention. It is just that most of your observations here are just off base & I disagree, nothing more. I welcome your feedback to my observations. Roll Tide

 

[DT55FOREVER]

You know DT 55 after, looking over my responses to this, I am sure that I am coming across as just picking on you. Please know that is definitely not my intention. It is just that most of your observations here are just off base & I disagree, nothing more. I welcome your feedback to my observations. Roll Tide

Hey, if everyone agreed on here, it would be boring. I'm not saying I have all the answers and I'm sure there is no perfect defense against a HUNH. I'm just giving what I believe and what I've been told by former players.
I'm not sure how to copy the stuff you wrote above your last response. But to that:

I know Bama typically brings a linebacker up to make it a four man front. In that instance, I would rather see a consistent four man front with linemen.
Regarding the substitutions, Bama has typically used three defensive lineman where one or more of those players is not a three down player. It has caused issues with the team being able to apply pressure on the quarterback. I am talking about using lineman who don't need to come off the field on third down. I know they substitute their defensive linemen. I feel it should only be done between possessions and not have to run a pass rusher onto the field for a third and long. Having to get a player like Cody or Brandon Ivory off the field for a third down play causes problems. I will admit, they have done a better job of using linemen this year.
I will agree that you can give up the big play with everyone within 8 yards. I feel the pressure you put on their backfield makes it much more difficult to execute correctly.
I think we can handle press man with Cyrus but you are correct that the other side needs to grow up quickly. And yes, I know about Eddie. I didn't say we weren't using any corners at safety. I just stated a facet in the 4-3 Over defense.
Regarding the linebackers, I said that the time of the box linebacker was over. I said you have to have linebackers that can cover.

Like I said before, I'm not saying mine is THE right answer. I just haven't seen the changes and improvements we were promised. I appreciate everyones opinion. It makes it interesting. I hope to see Bama dominate again soon.

 

[TheChief]

Just a note, Cooper Bateman didn't come back in because he got absolutely destroyed on the interception return. He couldn't come back in.

If he's out for concussion, why was he holding on extra points? Just wondering. Seems as though if he could not come back on the field because of the concussion, he couldn't have held on those either.

 

[RollllTide!]

If he's out for concussion, why was he holding on extra points? Just wondering. Seems as though if he could not come back on the field because of the concussion, he couldn't have held on those either.

lt looked to me like he really got his bell rung on that play.