🏈 What's wrong with LSU? Blunt coaches say Tigers are "soft" and "don't play hard."

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[TerryP]

 

[18Champs]

The beginning of thee fallout?

 

[18Champs]

Yahoo Sports conducted a half-dozen interviews last week with coaches, scouts and analysts who played LSU or studied them extensively this season. The results came back alarmingly consistent, an ugly autopsy that pinpointed all the things you wouldn’t expect from an Orgeron team: lack of effort, uninspired play at the line of scrimmage and a penchant to quit when things get tough.

No one expected Orgeron to be an X’s and O’s savant or a visionary program builder. Expensive coordinators Matt Canada and Dave Aranda were given lucrative contracts to handle the details of the program. Orgeron’s job was to be the Cajun Dabo, delivering mojo, recruiting juice and motivation. Instead, the scary reality is that these Tigers don’t have any of the traits long associated without Orgeron. Somehow, the coach famous for his growl has a program with no bite.

“It wasn’t what you expect,” said one assistant coach. “You expect guys ready to kick your ass. There wasn’t any fire. Genetically they weren’t as good. On film, they weren’t as good. But these guys, I don’t know. These guys, I don’t even know what to say. I can’t believe they play the way they do. They’re soft. Soft. It doesn’t make sense.”

Added another personnel executive: “When everything got super tough against Mississippi State, they tapped out. State was giving it to them and they didn’t want any piece of it. They were tapping out the entire game.”

Former LSU star Booger McFarland saw similar traits. McFarland, now an analyst for ESPN, said that LSU “quit” in the fourth quarter of the Mississippi State game and worries that Canada’s spread system will rob LSU of its smash-mouth identity. McFarland sees the issue with LSU as more of a talent deficit than a coaching problem. But he doesn’t deny troubling signs.

“My biggest fear when they hired Matt Canada was LSU getting soft, and it’s happening before our eyes,” he said in an interview before the Troy game. “They’re not physical on the line of scrimmage. It’s a byproduct of the offense, which goes side-to-side. They’ve lost the ability to go north-south and be physical.”

It’s one of the biggest paradoxes in college football – an Ed Orgeron team gone soft. Think of a Mike Leach team playing with three tight ends or David Shaw rolling out the Run-And-Shoot. Heck, picture Nick Saban giving a press conference that doubles as a Saturday Night Live audition.

“They’re just standing there,” said another assistant coach who studied LSU’s defense. “They weren’t running to the ball. It baffles me. I don’t know Dave Aranda, but I know they’re paying him a s—load of money.”
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What's wrong with the LSU Tigers? 'They're soft'

 

[18Champs]

Tell Da Troof Munday In-Game thread

 

[parrotdr]

Hey folks! Been a while since I posted here, but couldn't pass up this thread for a couple of reasons:

--as a longtime LSU fan, this is looking like a descent into mediocrity. We hired the former Ole Miss coach with the worst win/loss record of the LAST SEVEN Rebel coaches. We're reaping what we've sown. I hope I'm wrong, as we are routinely playing 17 freshman, but not looking good for now.

--and here's the kicker--my second son started as a freshman in Tuscaloosa this year, so I'll be attending my first game at Bryant-Denny ever! It'll be the first time sporting my purple and gold there (only on game weekends!).

Be nice to me! Hope we keep it under 66-3.

 

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[JoshB]

Orgeron is a horrendous head coach, period. I have no idea why anyone thought this was a good idea and that buyout will make Orgeron the winner in all of this regardless of what happens. He could legit end up with one of the worst SEC coaching records (for that amount of time) in history.

 

[TerryP]

I have no idea why anyone thought this was a good idea and that buyout will make Orgeron the winner in all of this regardless of what happens.

Earlier this morning I saw a comment from a LSU fan suggesting Orgeron conned Alleva during the interview process. I'm not sure I buy that ... until I start thinking back to the day when Miles (through Jeff Long) "negotiated" a raise out of LSU (with rumors of Miles heading to Fayetteville circulating.) I did think Miles took advantage of Alleva. Is this LSU fan that far off?

 

[rammerjammer]

While watching the LSU/Troy game my wife looked at me and said, poor Orgeron. He better make his money while he can because after he gets fired from this job, there is no way possible for him to be a TV analyst. :rolf: Nobody can understand him.

I said it last year when he was hired, and I'll say it again. Emotion can only take you so far. I can see where/why LSU would have hired him giving the set up. Good DC/OC. Allow them to do their jobs while you motivate and recruit as the HC. A lot of moving parts, but certainly a workable plan. Obviously it is not working. Listening to the radio yesterday they think the 12 Million buy out is for only this year. That it decreases quite a bit in year 2. If that is the case, let him coach one more year and then cut bait before he has time to turn LSU into an absolute rebuild job.

 

[TerryP]

Nice to see ya stick your head in for a chat or two...

--as a longtime LSU fan, this is looking like a descent into mediocrity. We hired the former Ole Miss coach with the worst win/loss record of the LAST SEVEN Rebel coaches. We're reaping what we've sown. I hope I'm wrong, as we are routinely playing 17 freshman, but not looking good for now.

How many other teams are at that mark, or around that mark, for true frosh playing in '17? The first team that came to mind when I first heard the "youth" comment was UGA in '15. There was a point in that season they had played 21 true frosh, as I recall: that UGA team finished 10-3.

FWIW, there are a ton of SEC fans who can look at their team and say the same thing, "...not looking good for now."

--and here's the kicker--my second son started as a freshman in Tuscaloosa this year, so I'll be attending my first game at Bryant-Denny ever! It'll be the first time sporting my purple and gold there (only on game weekends!).

Which game?

 

[UAgrad93]

Earlier this morning I saw a comment from a LSU fan suggesting Orgeron conned Alleva during the interview process. I'm not sure I buy that ... until I start thinking back to the day when Miles (through Jeff Long) "negotiated" a raise out of LSU (with rumors of Miles heading to Fayetteville circulating.) I did think Miles took advantage of Alleva. Is this LSU fan that far off?

I looked over on Tiger Droppings and there are several that suggest and believe the O was stabbing Miles in the back to get the HC position. He then proceeded to convince Alleva that he was the right man for the job.

 

[bama alum]

I looked over on Tiger Droppings and there are several that suggest and believe the O was stabbing Miles in the back to get the HC position. He then proceeded to convince Alleva that he was the right man for the job.

It's a bit of karma to me. LSWho? should have never let Miles go, esp. in the middle of the season like they did. Hitting the panic button never works.

 

[#80]

With the buyout Ed O got LSU AD should be fired.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Also....lsu fires NC coach.....things go to hell....
O wait...talking about Miles and O...no....talking about firing Charlie Mac....lol
Applies to current also though...
TN fires NC coach..things go to hell...11 wonderful years of hell...
Bama runs off NC coach (Stallings who didn't get along with AD)
Things go to hell....
.watch what u ask for...
....

 

[alagator]

TN fires NC coach..things go to hell...11 wonderful years of hell...

Things were in hell long before they fired Fulmer. There's such a misconception about those last seven or eight years.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Things were in hell long before they fired Fulmer. There's such a misconception about those last seven or eight years.

Butttttttt.....the last 10-12 ..maybe 13 have been reallly bad..lol

 

[planomateo]

Butttttttt.....the last 10-12 ..maybe 13 have been reallly bad..lol

Bad? Depends on the perspective

 

[TerryP]

I looked over on Tiger Droppings and there are several that suggest and believe the O was stabbing Miles in the back to get the HC position. He then proceeded to convince Alleva that he was the right man for the job.

I don't know enough about Orgeron to say one way or another. I've seen enough out of Orgeron that I can see that happening--ala a defensive coach we saw back in the Stallings era.

What strikes me is the sheer number of reasons that I see being mentioned about LSU's lack of success this season. One threw me for a bit of a loop this morning.

Marcus Spears: "I don't think Florida can handle the LSU offensive line with their defensive line. Mississippi State could."

No mention of Troy there? Troy, the team that manhandled their lines last week.

So, if we take this at face value

MSU's DL > Florida DL
Florida's DL < Troy's DL?

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I don't know enough about Orgeron to say one way or another. I've seen enough out of Orgeron that I can see that happening--ala a defensive coach we saw back in the Stallings era.

What strikes me is the sheer number of reasons that I see being mentioned about LSU's lack of success this season. One threw me for a bit of a loop this morning.

Marcus Spears: "I don't think Florida can handle the LSU offensive line with their defensive line. Mississippi State could."

No mention of Troy there? Troy, the team that manhandled their lines last week.

So, if we take this at face value

MSU's DL > Florida DL
Florida's DL < Troy's DL?

Deductive reasoning is a dangerous game .....usually fails badly...lol