🏈 What do you guys make of this about Kirbs.

[Tidestalker]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

 

[JoshB]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA then? Saban?

Wasting your time. BamaFan has no clue what a fact is.

 

[JoshB]

Troll

I know who wrote that. I disagree. He isn't of that nature.

I don't know who wrote it, but anybody who questions whether or not Kirby is "the real deal" or was given too much credit for past successes (at Alabama and/or Georgia) doesn't seem to be a fan. Seems to be only focused on stirring up the shit pot.

A bit on the vitriolic side? Yes, he was a bit on that side. Living in Atlanta would do that to a person. At the core of what he's saying, is there truth? Yes as well.

This isn't new stuff with Kirby. It's just stuff combined in a few paragraphs.

We've enjoyed some good years with Kirby, No doubt.

A point being made there had to do with a lot giving far too much credit to his time at Alabama in terms of classes signed--stars he evaluated and brought in. There are not as many as people have assumed with the vast majority of these defensive guys having other assistant coaches as their primary recruiter. Look back at the guys.

 

[BamaFan334]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

First off, you're turning the conversation away from your comment of saying Kirby wasn't/isn't cheating.

But I'm going to say worse due to the blatant egregious cheating. Kirby is no Saban, therefor the amazingly quick uptick in recruiting is a red flag. Georgia has always recruited well, but their level now, much like Ole Miss has folks scratching their heads. Salban won a Natty at LSU and came back with NFL experience. Kirby has done what to collect that talent? It comes off as jealousy or envy, but I think any true Alabama fan sees it as a challenge moreso than worry or envy. In the end, I'm of the opinion started way too fast for it to be natural recruiting. Even Saban gradually put his classes together and the on field production spoke for itself.

 

[Tidestalker]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

First off, you're turning the conversation away from your comment of saying Kirby wasn't/isn't cheating.

But I'm going to say worse due to the blatant egregious cheating. Kirby is no Saban, therefor the amazingly quick uptick in recruiting is a red flag. Georgia has always recruited well, but their level now, much like Ole Miss has folks scratching their heads. Salban won a Natty at LSU and came back with NFL experience. Kirby has done what to collect that talent? It comes off as jealousy or envy, but I think any true Alabama fan sees it as a challenge moreso than worry or envy. In the end, I'm of the opinion started way too fast for it to be natural recruiting. Even Saban gradually put his classes together and the on field production spoke for itself.

Na man my comment stands. Until he's caught cheating, I don't consider him a cheater. (Outside of the general improprieties that we both agree happen at EVERY big program)

You are considering him a cheater before he gets caught. Therefor, I think it's only fair you explain your stance. Which you've done... Just doesn't happen to have any factual information attached to your allegations.

I've pointed out why I think he can recruit at the highest level.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does.

I'll add their facilities, location, general atmosphere is extremely attractive to incoming recruits.

If he gets caught, then I'll stand corrected.

 

[BamaFan334]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

First off, you're turning the conversation away from your comment of saying Kirby wasn't/isn't cheating.

But I'm going to say worse due to the blatant egregious cheating. Kirby is no Saban, therefor the amazingly quick uptick in recruiting is a red flag. Georgia has always recruited well, but their level now, much like Ole Miss has folks scratching their heads. Salban won a Natty at LSU and came back with NFL experience. Kirby has done what to collect that talent? It comes off as jealousy or envy, but I think any true Alabama fan sees it as a challenge moreso than worry or envy. In the end, I'm of the opinion started way too fast for it to be natural recruiting. Even Saban gradually put his classes together and the on field production spoke for itself.

Na man my comment stands. Until he's caught cheating, I don't consider him a cheater. (Outside of the general improprieties that we both agree happen at EVERY big program)

You are considering him a cheater before he gets caught. Therefor, I think it's only fair you explain your stance. Which you've done... Just doesn't happen to have any factual information attached to your allegations.

I've pointed out why I think he can recruit at the highest level.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does.

I'll add their facilities, location, general atmosphere is extremely attractive to incoming recruits.

If he gets caught, then I'll stand corrected.

So based off your comments you're saying you didn't think Freeze, Carroll, or Tressell were cheaters till they got caught?

And Georgia has always had all of those qualities, it's nothing new. But you want to tell me Kirby is the difference? Come on now.

I do not have paper evidence or pictures of deals going down, but I do know people tied to the program and a part of certain ends of the deals that have discussed parts with me through general communication. I will not say names or specifics based on the fact that it's not something that gets my rocks off nor do I feel it necessary to provide you with court type evidence to support my comments, but I can tell you it does happen and is happening for the sake of not allowing another person to be called a liar or not true.

 

[rammerjammer]

So based off your comments you're saying you didn't think Freeze, Carroll, or Tressell were cheaters till they got caught?

One of these is not like the others. While Ohio is no mecca of HS talent, the school has a pretty good history as does USC.

Look at the states. Florida, California, Texas, and Georgia are the best states in the union to recruit HS talent. It is plausible that Kirby comes in and with his time under Saban, as a selling point, use that to recruit elite talent (which the state of Georgia has a lot of) and step up their talent to the next level. I think we all know that every major school is on the lam for elite talent and it takes big money boosters to do it. I would be willing to bet that Kirby is like all the other coaches around the SEC when it comes to recruiting. Kirby has the luxury of being in the talent rich state of Georgia where they are the best thing going as far as D1 schools to attend in order to make it to the next level. Just like LSU.

 

[Tidestalker]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

First off, you're turning the conversation away from your comment of saying Kirby wasn't/isn't cheating.

But I'm going to say worse due to the blatant egregious cheating. Kirby is no Saban, therefor the amazingly uptick in recruiting is a red flag. Georgia has always recruited well, but their level now, much like Ole Miss has folks scratching their heads. Salban won a Natty at LSU and came back with NFL experience. Kirby has done what to collect that talent? It comes off as jealousy or envy, but I think any true Alabama fan sees it as a challenge moreso than worry or envy. In the end, I'm of the opinion started way too fast for it to be natural recruiting. Even Saban gradually put his classes together and the on field production spoke for itself.

Na man my comment stands. Until he's caught cheating, I don't consider him a cheater. (Outside of the general improprieties that we both agree happen at EVERY big program)

You are considering him a cheater before he gets caught. Therefor, I think it's only fair you explain your stance. Which you've done... Just doesn't happen to have any factual information attached to your allegations.

I've pointed out why I think he can recruit at the highest level.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does.

I'll add their facilities, location, general atmosphere is extremely attractive to incoming recruits.

If he gets caught, then I'll stand corrected.

So based off your comments you're saying you didn't think Freeze, Carroll, or Tressell were cheaters till they got caught?

And Georgia has always had all of those qualities, it's nothing new. But you want to tell me Kirby is the difference? Come on now.

I do not have paper evidence or pictures of deals going down, but I do know people tied to the program and a part of certain ends of the deals that have discussed parts with me through general communication. I will not say names or specifics based on the fact that it's not something that gets my rocks off nor do I feel it necessary to provide you with court type evidence to support my comments, but I can tell you it does happen and is happening for the sake of not allowing another person to be called a liar or not true.

Kirby went to the NC game... After UGA having lots of recruiting success with the old regime... So seeing a legitimate uptick in recruiting is not surprising to me whatsoever. He's a new coach with new blood in the program and legitimate success to sell. And he has the 1 card that trumps all other poker players but 1 - The Nick Saban formula (and whatever "secrets" to negative recruit he'd like to sell).

He may be cheating but I see so many reasons for them to be the next "it" school that it doesn't surprise me he's doing exceptionally well. TIFWIW

 

[BamaFan334]

So based off your comments you're saying you didn't think Freeze, Carroll, or Tressell were cheaters till they got caught?

One of these is not like the others. While Ohio is no mecca of HS talent, the school has a pretty good history as does USC.

Look at the states. Florida, California, Texas, and Georgia are the best states in the union to recruit HS talent. It is plausible that Kirby comes in and with his time under Saban, as a selling point, use that to recruit elite talent (which the state of Georgia has a lot of) and step up their talent to the next level. I think we all know that every major school is on the lam for elite talent and it takes big money boosters to do it. I would be willing to bet that Kirby is like all the other coaches around the SEC when it comes to recruiting. Kirby has the luxury of being in the talent rich state of Georgia where they are the best thing going as far as D1 schools to attend in order to make it to the next level. Just like LSU.

I agree with everything you are saying here about the state of Georgia and its tlaent. I was raised and played football in Georgia against some of the best NFL players during their time. I always stated, even in high school, that Georgia wasn't getting their due against texas, California, and Florida, and this was back in the late 90's-early 2000's. We are getting that recognition now from recruitnics, but the talent has always been here and always been coming to Georgia. Kirby was not left with a bare cupboard like Georgia fans like to say in efforts of making Kirby's achievements sound even more immortal.

 

[TUSKtimes]

One of these is not like the others. While Ohio is no mecca of HS talent, the school has a pretty good history as does USC.

Look at the states. Florida, California, Texas, and Georgia are the best states in the union to recruit HS talent. It is plausible that Kirby comes in and with his time under Saban, as a selling point, use that to recruit elite talent (which the state of Georgia has a lot of) and step up their talent to the next level. I think we all know that every major school is on the lam for elite talent and it takes big money boosters to do it. I would be willing to bet that Kirby is like all the other coaches around the SEC when it comes to recruiting. Kirby has the luxury of being in the talent rich state of Georgia where they are the best thing going as far as D1 schools to attend in order to make it to the next level. Just like LSU.

No knee-jerk reaction for me on this one. But for 5-star recruits from Louisiana, Alabama, Florida as well as Georgia to suddenly stream over into the Dawgs football program, a program that has historically underachieved, with little meaningful hardware, something smells fishy. Georgia is doing with 5 stars what Mississippi was doing with 4 stars. Just as sudden and all-encompassing. Stay tuned.

 

[BamaFan334]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

First off, you're turning the conversation away from your comment of saying Kirby wasn't/isn't cheating.

But I'm going to say worse due to the blatant egregious cheating. Kirby is no Saban, therefor the amazingly uptick in recruiting is a red flag. Georgia has always recruited well, but their level now, much like Ole Miss has folks scratching their heads. Salban won a Natty at LSU and came back with NFL experience. Kirby has done what to collect that talent? It comes off as jealousy or envy, but I think any true Alabama fan sees it as a challenge moreso than worry or envy. In the end, I'm of the opinion started way too fast for it to be natural recruiting. Even Saban gradually put his classes together and the on field production spoke for itself.

Na man my comment stands. Until he's caught cheating, I don't consider him a cheater. (Outside of the general improprieties that we both agree happen at EVERY big program)

You are considering him a cheater before he gets caught. Therefor, I think it's only fair you explain your stance. Which you've done... Just doesn't happen to have any factual information attached to your allegations.

I've pointed out why I think he can recruit at the highest level.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does.

I'll add their facilities, location, general atmosphere is extremely attractive to incoming recruits.

If he gets caught, then I'll stand corrected.

So based off your comments you're saying you didn't think Freeze, Carroll, or Tressell were cheaters till they got caught?

And Georgia has always had all of those qualities, it's nothing new. But you want to tell me Kirby is the difference? Come on now.

I do not have paper evidence or pictures of deals going down, but I do know people tied to the program and a part of certain ends of the deals that have discussed parts with me through general communication. I will not say names or specifics based on the fact that it's not something that gets my rocks off nor do I feel it necessary to provide you with court type evidence to support my comments, but I can tell you it does happen and is happening for the sake of not allowing another person to be called a liar or not true.

Kirby went to the NC game... After UGA having lots of recruiting success with the old regime... So seeing a legitimate uptick in recruiting is not surprising to me whatsoever. He's a new coach with new blood in the program and legitimate success to sell. And he has the 1 card that trumps all other poker players but 1 - The Nick Saban formula.

He may be cheating but I see so many reasons for them to be the next "it" school that it doesn't surprise me he's doing exceptionally well. TIFWIW

They are winning in a weak division! Not to mention they let Missouri and Florida win it the last number of years before last season. You play one contender every year, how hard is it to give yourself a chance and a leap like that? I'll believe the hype when Tennessee, South Carolina, and Florida get back to the success they used to have, back when the SEC was a slobber knocker every week and we actually used to beat up on one another. Georgia was nowhere to be found then. And technically, Georgia still hasn't risen to win the big one. They definitely check every box to be a successful program, but two Natty's in their history with the last one being 38 years ago still shows they got a ways to go, and the trajectory in recruiting does look suspicious. Top 5 or 10 class to the best class in Rivals history, :think:.

 

[Tidestalker]

Did I read that right that someone is bringing up a dude that wanted to transfer 2 years ago because Kirby, who may or may not have been on the job for a couple of months DIDN'T help his mom out? Guilty as charged! LMAO

Either way, Kirby is damn good at what he does. If he's cheating he will get caught... This day in age too much social media and too many loose lips to be an openly dirty program.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does. Until proven otherwise, I won't see him as a cheater... But will see a lot of people who spoke highly of him at Bama now speak poorly of him. Comes with the territory though.. Fans are not supposed to be objective... We are fanatics

He's a cheater. Heard a few things first hand about what he's doing. There is a lot of illegal stuff going on everywhere, even on our campus, so to say he's not a cheater may be a little short sided. And I'm not talking about talking to a recruit during dead period type stuff.

If you're going to call out Kirby being a cheater as fact based on what you "heard" first hand... Who's the cheater at UA? Saban?

Once again, they all cheat. They all know of things going on within their program. They aren't tone deaf. You don't think Richt knew about Gurley signing autographs for money or other players selling their jerseys? I'm not throwing our program under the bus on a public forum, but I have no issues saying every program cheats. The head coach himself isn't writing a personal check, but you go to the top with the blame, and trust me, they know what's happening. The movie Blue Chips is true.

So in your opinion, is Kirby a worse cheater, better cheater, or dumber cheater than those at Alabama?

First off, you're turning the conversation away from your comment of saying Kirby wasn't/isn't cheating.

But I'm going to say worse due to the blatant egregious cheating. Kirby is no Saban, therefor the amazingly uptick in recruiting is a red flag. Georgia has always recruited well, but their level now, much like Ole Miss has folks scratching their heads. Salban won a Natty at LSU and came back with NFL experience. Kirby has done what to collect that talent? It comes off as jealousy or envy, but I think any true Alabama fan sees it as a challenge moreso than worry or envy. In the end, I'm of the opinion started way too fast for it to be natural recruiting. Even Saban gradually put his classes together and the on field production spoke for itself.

Na man my comment stands. Until he's caught cheating, I don't consider him a cheater. (Outside of the general improprieties that we both agree happen at EVERY big program)

You are considering him a cheater before he gets caught. Therefor, I think it's only fair you explain your stance. Which you've done... Just doesn't happen to have any factual information attached to your allegations.

I've pointed out why I think he can recruit at the highest level.

Always known him to be an ace recruiter and very relatable to kids. Georgia, even under Richt, gave us a run on the recruiting trail. Coming off a NC game appearance in the feeble East, I can see kids wanting to go there. Plus he has the most possible dirt on Saban and best negative recruiting tactics vs Bama. Seems like a lot of reasons for him to be very good at what he does.

I'll add their facilities, location, general atmosphere is extremely attractive to incoming recruits.

If he gets caught, then I'll stand corrected.

So based off your comments you're saying you didn't think Freeze, Carroll, or Tressell were cheaters till they got caught?

And Georgia has always had all of those qualities, it's nothing new. But you want to tell me Kirby is the difference? Come on now.

I do not have paper evidence or pictures of deals going down, but I do know people tied to the program and a part of certain ends of the deals that have discussed parts with me through general communication. I will not say names or specifics based on the fact that it's not something that gets my rocks off nor do I feel it necessary to provide you with court type evidence to support my comments, but I can tell you it does happen and is happening for the sake of not allowing another person to be called a liar or not true.

Kirby went to the NC game... After UGA having lots of recruiting success with the old regime... So seeing a legitimate uptick in recruiting is not surprising to me whatsoever. He's a new coach with new blood in the program and legitimate success to sell. And he has the 1 card that trumps all other poker players but 1 - The Nick Saban formula.

He may be cheating but I see so many reasons for them to be the next "it" school that it doesn't surprise me he's doing exceptionally well. TIFWIW

They are winning in a weak division! Not to mention they let Missouri and Florida win it the last number of years before last season. You play one contender every year, how hard is it to give yourself a chance and a leap like that? I'll believe the hype when Tennessee, South Carolina, and Florida get back to the success they used to have, back when the SEC was a slobber knocker every week and we actually used to beat up on one another. Georgia was nowhere to be found then. And technically, Georgia still hasn't risen to win the big one. They definitely check every box to be a successful program, but two Natty's in their history with the last one being 38 years ago still shows they got a ways to go, and the trajectory in recruiting does look suspicious. Top 5 or 10 class to the best class in Rivals history, :think:.

It's not what you think... As an Alabama fan.... Or what I think.... It's the perception a 17 year old kid has of your program that matters.

And once again, I can absolutely see how Kirby (who's proven to be a great recruiter) is able to get kids to perceive Georgia as the next big thing.