🏈 ***Way too early Bama/Chokelahoma pregame Thread***

[TUSKtimes]

"94 Grad, post: 1265207, member: 21483"]So did Jalen... he started practice two weeks after, but he didn't look very mobile during the citadal game on the few snaps he played. That's the same time frame Tua has to be back for game 1. Just saying....[/QUOTE]

Jalen's not 100% now. But he also may have had some setbacks with his situation. We've had some players with this surgery that were back a lot sooner. Problem is some of these injuries are more severe than others.

Probably should have said the video is not for the faint of heart. I've heard that Jalen couldn't walk on his injured ankle after the Tennessee game. Tua was easily doing that Saturday. That has a lot to do with this kind of surgery and response. Not necessarily the surgery itself.

 

[gc90]

Run blocking again went in the toilet when D Brown went out. I really did not like the play calling when Tua was in the game. It seemed to improve somewhat when Hurts went in. I really hope the dropped balls by the WRs and TE were a 1 game anomaly. Take away the drops and the goal line interception and the first half is very different IMO

I was just marvelling at the fewest drops during season and then this happens in SECCG

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I like that ND is playing Clemson .. their defense is more physical than Okl and will rough up Clemson

The only thing I am worried about is some Bama player getting ejected for head hit since we will be constantly covering Okl receivers.

That's impossible. The UGA radio guys said Sunday that Bama always gets the calls their way...

 

[It Takes Eleven]

"94 Grad, post: 1265207, member: 21483"]So did Jalen... he started practice two weeks after, but he didn't look very mobile during the citadal game on the few snaps he played. That's the same time frame Tua has to be back for game 1. Just saying....

Jalen's not 100% now. But he also may have had some setbacks with his situation. We've had some players with this surgery that were back a lot sooner. Problem is some of these injuries are more severe than others.

Probably should have said the video is not for the faint of heart. I've heard that Jalen couldn't walk on his injured ankle after the Tennessee game. Tua was easily doing that Saturday. That has a lot to do with this kind of surgery and response. Not necessarily the surgery itself.

[/QUOTE]

That's pretty fascinating. I didn't catch what the tightrope material was, but I looked around and found it's a high tension polyethylene. It's amazing it can take longer for the incision to heal than for the athlete to return to form.

RTR,

Tim

 

[TUSKtimes]

I know this stuff will get very little press, but it was the left ankle that had surgery and not he right ankle that was stepped on by Jonah Williams. That left one happened early in the game and before Tua threw his first pick. It's important because being a lefty he pushes off on the left leg and that would clearly explain his problems getting the right pace on the ball. Tough when you have two bum ankles in the same game.

 

[Tidestalker]

I know this stuff will get very little press, but it was the left ankle that had surgery and not he right ankle that was stepped on by Jonah Williams. That left one happened early in the game and before Tua threw his first pick. It's important because being a lefty he pushes off on the left leg and that would clearly explain his problems getting the right pace on the ball. Tough when you have two bum ankles in the same game.

When one ankle get's rolled it is super easy for the other to roll... Your mind & body are trying to compensate for one deficiency and causes another.

Hopefully 2.5 weeks is enough time to heal up. Would love to see him healthy for OU

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I know this stuff will get very little press, but it was the left ankle that had surgery and not he right ankle that was stepped on by Jonah Williams. That left one happened early in the game and before Tua threw his first pick. It's important because being a lefty he pushes off on the left leg and that would clearly explain his problems getting the right pace on the ball. Tough when you have two bum ankles in the same game.

Brett Favre would get a cortisone shot in each ankle on the sideline, eat 3 lortabs, and keep playing balls out... Lol

 

[TUSKtimes]

Brett Favre would get a cortisone shot in each ankle, eat 3 lortabs, and keep playing balls out... Lol

Favre was pretty much indestructible.

 

[94 Grad]

I know this stuff will get very little press, but it was the left ankle that had surgery and not he right ankle that was stepped on by Jonah Williams. That left one happened early in the game and before Tua threw his first pick. It's important because being a lefty he pushes off on the left leg and that would clearly explain his problems getting the right pace on the ball. Tough when you have two bum ankles in the same game.

Yup... that's why I was saying prior that Tua was making the correct reads, but his passes were late (or I guess in this case, weak) to the open receiver. I don't think it was a matter of poor game plan or calls. Tua saw the field correctly, just couldn't make the pass as he is used to. If you look at his performance, if you take the dropped balls he did put on the money with the 4 or 5 throws that were just late... he comes up with 2 more TDs and about 150 more yards passing and a much more "tua like" 18 of 25 passing.

I think that first injury was key to why we looked so poor... 'cause the receivers were open on those throws.

 

[TerryP]

Run blocking again went in the toilet when D Brown went out. I really did not like the play calling when Tua was in the game. It seemed to improve somewhat when Hurts went in. I really hope the dropped balls by the WRs and TE were a 1 game anomaly. Take away the drops and the goal line interception and the first half is very different IMO

I was very frustrated during the game with the play calling... but after watching it back with a "level" head the play calling was just fine. Even Tua's decisions to pass the ball deeper was the correct decision. The issue became Tua's accuracy... he was late on most of his throws. Not sure if that was due to the pressure of the moment or the injury to the ankle... but he made the correct reads with a poor pass more often than not during the game. Maybe the play caller needed to take that into consideration... but a lot of that was more Tua taking the deeper "correct" read and throwing it poorly than it was not having shorter routes in the mix from the play caller... JMO.

Two thoughts here.

This game reminded me a lot of the Tennessee game. There were a lot of people talking about how his accuracy was off in that game. It was, to an extent. The thing about those observations is they were off base—based on the contest of where he was.

If you've ever been on the field level in Knoxville the first thing that'll shock you is the crown of the field. It's one of the highest in SEC play. It takes some adjustments.

It's all about the context.

Fast forward (or rewind?) to this past weekend...

One thing I'd recommend to one and all is watching the All-22 coverage on these games. It's amazing how clear some things appear when you have that view versus just coverage of the ball carrier.

 

[TerryP]

One additional note on the play calling with Jalen versus Tua.

When Jalen was called upon one of the first things Locks did was get on the phone with him and ask, "what plays are you most comfortable running." It was a move by Locks to call the plays that Jalen felt most comfortable running.

It's a seldom mentioned aspect of the Tide offense with both QB's. The playbooks are not the same. It's what everyone talked of and then when they see it? From what I've seen the knee jerk reaction was "his play calls were bad with Tua."

They were the calls Tua felt most comfortable running. Where's the fault found in that approach? I certainly can't name one.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

One additional note on the play calling with Jalen versus Tua.

When Jalen was called upon one of the first things Locks did was get on the phone with him and ask, "what plays are you most comfortable running." It was a move by Locks to call the plays that Jalen felt most comfortable running.

It's a seldom mentioned aspect of the Tide offense with both QB's. The playbooks are not the same. It's what everyone talked of and then when they see it? From what I've seen the knee jerk reaction was "his play calls were bad with Tua."

They were the calls Tua felt most comfortable running. Where's the fault found in that approach? I certainly can't name one.

But after the 1st drive when the injury occurred and Tua is 1-hopping 5-yd out routes, you ADJUST your play calling..

That didn't happen.

 

[Bamabacker]

I guess the obvious game plan for the Sooners would be to shrink the game as much as possible like Army did against them. Jalen would be great at 5 to 7 minute drives for the offense.

 

[TerryP]

But after the 1st drive when the injury occurred and Tua is 1-hopping 5-yd out routes, you ADJUST your play calling..

That didn't happen.

OK, let's set aside the hyperbole for a second.

There's no one here that knows what was being called other than it is what Tua felt comfortable running. That's been Locks MO all season long. It's the same thing we saw with Jalen.

Tua's offense is one that's RPO based. He was going with the option he saw and that's being put on Locks. It's seemingly ignored that his start (3 for 10) should have been 7 completions if it wasn't for the receivers heads not being in the game. Hell, the entire offense wasn't in the game.

I'm not going to fall into the category of blaming the offensive coordinator for the players playing as sloppily as they did Saturday. I'm not going to blame Locks for Tua's decision on what options he was taking in a RPO offense.

As I've stated I don't have any issues with the play calling. I have issues with players not doing their jobs. But, that is the game of football.

And, as much as I don't like Kirby, we have to give him credit for the defensive scheme they employed. Hell, after working on it for eight months they should have had some success.

 

[BamaFan334]

But after the 1st drive when the injury occurred and Tua is 1-hopping 5-yd out routes, you ADJUST your play calling..

That didn't happen.

OK, let's set aside the hyperbole for a second.

There's no one here that knows what was being called other than it is what Tua felt comfortable running. That's been Locks MO all season long. It's the same thing we saw with Jalen.

Tua's offense is one that's RPO based. He was going with the option he saw and that's being put on Locks. It's seemingly ignored that his start (3 for 10) should have been 7 completions if it wasn't for the receivers heads not being in the game. Hell, the entire offense wasn't in the game.

I'm not going to fall into the category of blaming the offensive coordinator for the players playing as sloppily as they did Saturday. I'm not going to blame Locks for Tua's decision on what options he was taking in a RPO offense.

As I've stated I don't have any issues with the play calling. I have issues with players not doing their jobs. But, that is the game of football.

And, as much as I don't like Kirby, we have to give him credit for the defensive scheme they employed. Hell, after working on it for eight months they should have had some success.

I agree with you that Kirby employed a killer scheme to stop our offense, but the calls on that first drive were silly. You have two plays at the six yard line to ram it down their throats after the defense came out and gave Georgia nothing. The first down play was money, but put that one on Tua. You run a stupid roll out to the short side of the field, get sacked, and then you throw a pick facing a 3rd and Goal from the 18. Their weak spot was the middle of their defense. Why not let your senior tailback, named Captain and leader, or the future MVP of the game that you have let play much increased minutes run the ball? If we score there, I don't see the game being close. We were sluggish and the worst I have seen us play since the six turnover game against Ole Miss. I do blame the play calling in the redzone on that first series.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I agree with you that Kirby employed a killer scheme to stop our offense, but the calls on that first drive were silly. You have two plays at the six yard line to ram it down their throats after the defense came out and gave Georgia nothing. The first down play was money, but put that one on Tua. You run a stupid roll out to the short side of the field, get sacked, and then you throw a pick facing a 3rd and Goal from the 18. Their weak spot was the middle of their defense. Why not let your senior tailback or the future MVP of the game that you have let play much increased minutes run the ball? If we score their, I don't see the game being close. We were sluggish and the worst I have seen us play since the six turnover game against Ole Miss. I do blame the play calling in the redzone on that first series.

It was also the play that hurt our QB. The next play he threw the pick. We were substituting muscle for cute and we spent a lot of time in the ballgame out thinking ourselves.

 

[94 Grad]

One thing I'd recommend to one and all is watching the All-22 coverage on these games. It's amazing how clear some things appear when you have that view versus just coverage of the ball carrier.

Is that archived somewhere... I know CBS had it live, but I can't find a "replay" of it anywhere...

 

[TerryP]

The first down play was money, but put that one on Tua. You run a stupid roll out to the short side of the field, get sacked, and then you throw a pick facing a 3rd and Goal from the 18.

Wait a second here. The offensive line gets beaten, Tua doesn't throw the ball away when he has plenty of time to do so, but it's a "stupid roll out" because the play resulted in a sack? That's not on the call.

Let's give credit where it's due on that 3rd down pick. The safety played Tua on that one. If you want to call it a bad read, OK. I saw a great play from their safety—one very likely coached due to how Tua tries to look off the safeties.

Ya know, it's eerily similar to some of the flak we've seen the kicker receiver when the miss has been due to the snapper or holder.

One thing I'd recommend to one and all is watching the All-22 coverage on these games. It's amazing how clear some things appear when you have that view versus just coverage of the ball carrier.

Is that archived somewhere... I know CBS had it live, but I can't find a "replay" of it anywhere...

I don't know.

**It's a bit of an investment (I believe the '19 version is 50 bucks) but you won't go wrong with a purchase of Snag-It. It's a great streaming video recording package. Hell of a screen capture piece of software as well. I love the feed especially when cast.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

**It's a bit of an investment (I believe the '19 version is 50 bucks) but you won't go wrong with a purchase of Snag-It. It's a great streaming video recording package. Hell of a screen capture piece of software as well. I love the feed especially when cast.

If you have a discrete video card (GeForce or Radeon) always check the latest software package from the GPU provider. Both AMD and NVidia have screen capture and streaming built into their software. The Radeon version (Relive) is great and uses very little CPU with more recent cards.

 

[jdpas29]

backing up and watching the tape again, Tua looked about the same as he has since his first knee injury. There were some drops in the first fews series that skewed the numbers quite a bit. There were also some grabs on balls thrown behind and high to receivers that, if Tua was 100%, we know would have been right on the money. Up until the injury, his second half play was going pretty well i thought.

4 weeks wont be enough for Tua to be 100% so were going to be getting less than steller accuracy from him, but still probably the best QB play in the country. Lol. What a great couple of QBs we have yall. Never in my lifetime....