🏈 VA Tech game is a sucker bet...

I don't see this game being a blow out. We all know Mr. Beamer is a fine coach and class act. His team will show up with all this talk about there team losing the running backs. It should make for some inspiring football. It's the first game of the season we have a lot of new players on offense. I see a lot mistakes and learning curves from this game 21-17 of course I'm bias and say bama wins, but I know VT are no pushovers. Seems many fans for got how we were going to roll over <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State><st1:place>Utah</st1:place></st1:State> as well. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
 
I did think we would win the Utah game but I had a uneasy feeling. I never really looked at how we matched up against them.

I can't see TT duplicating Johnsons performance. Sorry. ;)

The two losses we had last year were to two teams that have phenomenal quarterback play. Both, beat us with their arms.

For that reason, there are a lot of teams that "think" they'll compete, but I just don't buy it until their QB proves it.
 
The two losses we had last year were to two teams that have phenomenal quarterback play. Both, beat us with their arms.

For that reason, there are a lot of teams that "think" they'll compete, but I just don't buy it until their QB proves it.


While I very much agree with the statement TP that can also be said for our QB as well.
 
You'll have to trust my judgment on this one. Greg and I have been communicating since right after he signed.

We are OK. In fact, better than OK.

Do you agree that it is safe to say, that Nick Saban's policies concerning upperclassmen in skill positions is very similar to Bebes'? That is, seniority counts for a lot, and sometimes talent and ability is overridden by it.

That is not to say that either of them keep good players on the bench intentionally, but that intangibles such as experience and tenure are part of the overall equation that determines the starting role.

JPW was the QB on an Alabama team that won 12 games, but how quickly people forget that going into last fall he was seen as a LIABILITY. It was an oft repeated mantra that "Alabama can't win with Wison at Quarterback." Barners had convinced themselves of it to the point that they were still using Wilson as the reason that many of them were predicting an upset win over us the week of the Iron Bowl. Not to take anything away from Wilson, but JPW set the passing records he holds, in large part because the pathetic blocking of Bucket Step Bob's offensive line. In 2006 we flat out couldn't run the ball and because of that, we threw it 400 times. In 2007 we threw it even more - 472 times because we had no RB depth. S&C wasn't up to speed yet and we had no choice but to air it out. To put it in perspective, less than 1000 yards separate the difference in net rushing from 2008, compared to 2006 and 2007 COMBINED.

I don't mean to sound like a Wilson Basher because I am not, but people forget how badly Wilson peformed in 2007. Wilson's QB rating in 2007 was 114.6 (92nd nationally), ranking above only McKenzie Adams and Seth Adams (from Ole Miss and Vandy) in the SEC. For the sake of comparison, that is lower than the 2008 ratings of South Carolina's Chris Smelley and LSU's Jarrett Lee.

My point is, John Parker may not have been the most gifted or talented QB on the team last year, but he was the most experienced. Saban saw Wilson's leadership, experience, and maturity as giving us our best opportunity to win. His skill set meshed well with our need for a game manager. Greg McElroy has a live arm, good accuracy, the ability to read defenses extremely well, and he checks off better than any QB we have had in ages. He also happens to be brilliant - if you missed the fact that he graduated with a 4 year degree in 3 years, which is extremely difficulty to do if academics is ALL you do. The guy is a redshirt junior...he is 4 years removed from high school already and he lives in the film room.

What it ultimately means is, rivals who think we will be taking a step backward with a "new quarterback who couldn't even beat out JPW," are going to be in for a rude awakening. Our offense will be plug and play with GMac, and if I needed a long ball completed, I know which QB I would choose.
 
This isnt much different than the VaTech guy suggesting their RB is like Barry Sanders.

That is kind of a stupid thing to say. Apples and oranges.

I am talking about specific skillsets that have been observed and evidenced. The Maze pass against Auburn was the 3rd option - Greg Checked off. ADay he checked off. Every time I have seen him play he has checked off. I have gotten reports from players currently on the team dealing with the accuracy issue, and Terry can verify what I say regarding his knowledge of defenses and ability to read them. Arm strength is obvious if you have ever watched him side by side with JPW.

The only way it would be similar would be if I had said "he is the next Joe Montana."

See the difference? It should be easy.
 
Your quote was a stupid thing to say. The guy has played how snaps of college ball? Thrown how many passes? And how many of these were in a game that wasnt already decided?

I hope youre correct in everything you said but at this point its impossible to tell.
 
Your quote was a stupid thing to say. The guy has played how snaps of college ball? Thrown how many passes? And how many of these were in a game that wasnt already decided?

I hope youre correct in everything you said but at this point its impossible to tell.

Lenny...

If you go to a weight room and see a guy benchpress 500 pounds, it is not impossible to tell that he is strong. You don't have to see him play in a game to tell it. If you see a guy run the 40 in an electronically timed 4.4, you can tell he is fast. If a guy graduates in 3 years from a major university while playing football, you can tell he is intelligent.

If you know the progression of reads and watch a guy check off on 40-50 passes that you witness him throw, it is possible to tell he checks off well. When you compare the same ability to prior QB's, he is better. As I said, the pass to Maze against Auburn was the 3rd read. McElroy is also extremely intelligent, and that helps with decision making - which helps with making reads and reading defenses. Again, I am sure Terry will back me up on that aspect of GMac's game.

Of course, if you don't know anything about that aspect of football, "it is too early to tell." Just like if you have no concept of weights or speed, the same might be said.

If I remember correctly, you were one of the loudest ones attacking me when I posted in 2006 that Saban was going to be our coach. I was posting accurate information then, and I am posting accurate information right now.

Poise and the ability to make decisions under pressure DOES require game situations to observe, but his SKILLS are good and he is a 4th year player which lends itself to better poise and grace under pressure. Decisions under pressure and poise are not areas that JPW excelled in anyway, so we are not likely to go backwards. He will be better in most areas then JPW was.

If you don't want to believe me, that is your call, but your statement that my comments were the same as the Hokie fan's hyperbole (if not hyperbole, then delusion), was outside of reality.
 
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You remember wrong about Saban (I was also in the Saban camp). The only thing we have been into about is Joe Flacco and Paul Johnson.:nana:

So if this Va Tech guy has seen this Rb in practice or high school or whatever he can make the same assement you made with McElroy (its his opinion as is yours). Niether Mcelroy or the RB from Va Tech have proven anything at this point.
 
You remember wrong about Saban (I was also in the Saban camp). The only thing we have been into about is Joe Flacco and Paul Johnson.:nana:

So if this Va Tech guy has seen this Rb in practice or high school or whatever he can make the same assement you made with McElroy (its his opinion as is yours). Niether Mcelroy or the RB from Va Tech have proven anything at this point.

So you don't see the difference in an educated evaluation of a redshirt junior's skill set v/s saying that true freshman is the second coming of a record setting all-pro? It is apples and oranges...no, not even that. It is Apples and orange seeds.
 
Your quote was a stupid thing to say. The guy has played how snaps of college ball? Thrown how many passes? And how many of these were in a game that wasnt already decided?

I hope youre correct in everything you said but at this point its impossible to tell.

It's going to be a cold day December 25th. It might snow.

That's impossible to tell, but chances are it's going to be true for a lot of people.

I make my judgment on a few things. One, how he's performed in his high school career and most importantly how he's been evaluated from people who play and coach football.

The latter say we are going to be more than OK.

I don't see how you can make a comparison with things said about Williams and things said about McElroy unless you are trying to play devil's advocate. If that is the case, OK.

We are in better shape than we were last year.

If I was betting, I'd take the under on 12 INT's for the year and the over in 12 TD's for the year.

To be honest, our QB situation mirrors our LT situation—last year to this year. I say that meaning one has a real teachable attitude...the other...
 

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