📝 Tyler Harrell, UL WR, officially announces he'll attend Alabama

[Justneedme81]

This was on Reddit: I don't believe it. This is someone who likes to pretend thhey're in the know.

CFB is really gonna have a meltdown if what I’m hearing is true. Be on the lookout for an elite player from a big time program coming to bama this summer. Gotta get some academic stuff worked out, but it sounds like everything is on the move.

 

[SoCalPatrick]

This was on Reddit: I don't believe it. This is someone who likes to pretend thhey're in the know.

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[bamafan9201]

Contact between coaches and players who are not already in the portal are against the rules no matter who initiates it. Of course I expect the coaches were not involved in any of it directly.

Doesn't say anything about players and players contacting each-other. Or outside staff members. There's all kinds of tampering going on, just need to know how to do it. Most of our guys who leave are already decided on where they are going before they leave also. No visits required? Likely because they've been contacted by a university letting them know they have a starting spot if they transfer.

 

[SoCalPatrick]

UL fans are screaming portal tampering on this one.

 

[Justneedme81]

Doesn't say anything about players and players contacting each-other. Or outside staff members. There's all kinds of tampering going on, just need to know how to do it. Most of our guys who leave are already decided on where they are going before they leave also. No visits required? Likely because they've been contacted by a university letting them know they have a starting spot if they transfer.

Put a curb on transfer? Easy update the NIL rule to say that NIL Agent cannot contact other school unless they are in transfer portal. Current rules doesn't say that.

 

[Justneedme81]

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Its a rumor that someone put it on internet... So in another word, we could be seeking another transfer after Harrell. We already are at 3 over roster spot...

 

[SoCalPatrick]

Its a rumor that someone put it on internet... So in another word, we could be seeking another transfer after Harrell. We already are at 3 over roster spot...

I still want to read it just to see the context and from whom. Do you still have the ?

 

[bamafan9201]

Its a rumor that someone put it on internet... So in another word, we could be seeking another transfer after Harrell. We already are at 3 over roster spot...

That # could change easily after Spring Practice and the depth charts are more set in stone. I could see a few people transferring out after this spring.

 

[Justneedme81]

I still want to read it just to see the context and from whom. Do you still have the ?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I guess you're in good standing with the Bama "let's shit on anything we can" Club?

“Just the facts, ma’am” – Sgt. Joe Friday

 

[TerryP]

So how did we miss or not swing for this guy first go around?

I wouldn't call it a miss: he simply wasn't up to the standards of what a lot of schools were looking for in a WR.

I did a little digging on him and from my point of view Holman Wiggins is on the clock. I don't mean that as a derogatory comment. It's just he's got some coaching to do and Harrell has some learning in his future.

Speed? No questions there. You've probably seen the hand-timed 4.19 in the 40. That's great straight line speed. Last year the Louisville staff had a focus on his other skills: catching the ball and route running. The latter can be taught. Catching the ball? That's personal work.

Satterfield has praised his work ethic off the field and in off-season workouts so it appears the "want to" is there.

Here's his opportunity.

 

[TerryP]

I don't know; just guessing here. That sounds like someone caught up in the Boutte rumors from several weeks ago.

 

[TerryP]

27 signed and 12 have transferred (so far).

Nick Saban is a great recruiter, but he misses just like the other coaches and often.

I'm coming to the opinion that you can't put all the fault of transfers at the feet of any coaching staff: it dates back farther than their signing day. Last season we saw over 1700 in the portal. All of those weren't misvaluations or misses.

I saw 1300+ for this season ... the likelihood of college football coaches missing on over 3000 kids over the period of two seasons? To me it goes much deeper.

Since you've looked it up, who are the 12?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I'm coming to the opinion that you can't put all the fault of transfers at the feet of any coaching staff: it dates back farther than their signing day. Last season we saw over 1700 in the portal. All of those weren't misvaluations or misses.

I saw 1300+ for this season ... the likelihood of college football coaches missing on over 3000 kids over the period of two seasons? To me it goes much deeper.

Since you've looked it up, who are the 12?

True however Nick and his staff are elite yet they're missing 40 % of the 2018 and 2019 players that actually signed. If you add in 3-4 more players still on the roster that don't even play, then you see just have difficult recruiting has been even for The King.

 

[TerryP]

True however Nick and his staff are elite yet they're missing 40 % of the 2018 and 2019 players that actually signed.

That's not unusual for any class at any school. How many of the 2008 class contributed? Roughly half and that was the foundation of what Saban has built. Let's remember those kids had to sit a year before they could play again and still chose to transfer.

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On another note it's interesting to me that you're calling it a miss when the majority of these kids are transferring to P5 schools. I'd have to look to be sure here but I'm thinking out of the guys who have hit the portal and found a home in '22 only three have dropped from P5 to G5. Wouldn't that suggest they're not misses, they're good enough for P5 ball, but aren't good enough to get the playing time at Bama? I realize there are still a few that haven't landed anywhere yet. (I believe the number is seven with four being walk-ons.)

 

[Justneedme81]

That's not unusual for any class at any school. How many of the 2008 class contributed? Roughly half and that was the foundation of what Saban has built. Let's remember those kids had to sit a year before they could play again and still chose to transfer.

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On another note it's interesting to me that you're calling it a miss when the majority of these kids are transferring to P5 schools. I'd have to look to be sure here but I'm thinking out of the guys who have hit the portal and found a home in '22 only three have dropped from P5 to G5. Wouldn't that suggest they're not misses, they're good enough for P5 ball, but aren't good enough to get the playing time at Bama? I realize there are still a few that haven't landed anywhere yet. (I believe the number is seven with four being walk-ons.)

Not only that, how many transferred that saw significant playing time or drafted in first 2 rounds?
2019- Eyabi Anoma Went to Houston. Flamed out.
Kendrick james- Sat out a year and playing this fall
Layne Hatcher
Xavian Marks
Kyriq McDonald
Jalen Hurts- Now in NFL as a starter.
Kyriq Mcdonald- Went to Cincy... now is at Missouri State ( this is new to me )
Richie Petitbon- Iowa. I think hes a starter?

THen look at the folks who entered in Transfer in 2020: Out of all, who contributed the most. Tauila Tagovailoa is a starter at Maryland. Jereome Ford at Cincy Thats it.

Fast forward to 2021: Who did we miss out on those that left alabama? Eddie Smith comes to mind, but that's it.
2022: Drew Sanders and King Mwikuta hurts us... but we knew they wouldnt stay .. and are likely to start somewhere. Billingsley probably will be question mark. so really who has the coach staff missed out on? It's just transfer portal. They all want to play.

If we didn't have NIL and Transfer portal, half of the players we have had would've stayed with Alabama.

If anything, It shouldnt' be on Alabama, but the question should go to Georgia, LSU, Auburn... That's legit question for them, but not for Alabama.

 

[JoshB]

30 yards per catch? Good lord. Jameson Williams 2.0

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I'm coming to the opinion that you can't put all the fault of transfers at the feet of any coaching staff: it dates back farther than their signing day. Last season we saw over 1700 in the portal. All of those weren't misvaluations or misses.

I saw 1300+ for this season ... the likelihood of college football coaches missing on over 3000 kids over the period of two seasons? To me it goes much deeper.

Since you've looked it up, who are the 12?

2019 class

Alfano, Quick,Sopsher,Lee,Carter,Turnage,Kevin Harris,Banks,Tagovailoa,Keilan Robinson,Billingsley,Tyson
others on the roster than don't play Mwikuta,Ingraham, and Bowles


2018 Class

Anoma,Brown,Kaho,Williams,Ford,Smith,Parker,Delong,and Hatcher

 

[TerryP]

2019 class

Alfano, Quick,Sopsher,Lee,Carter,Turnage,Kevin Harris,Banks,Tagovailoa,Keilan Robinson,Billingsley,Tyson
others on the roster than don't play Mwikuta,Ingraham, and Bowles


2018 Class

Anoma,Brown,Kaho,Williams,Ford,Smith,Parker,Delong,and Hatcher

Let me ask you this. Several of those ended up being "head cases." Do you consider those players misvaluations?

A number of these guys had people recruited along with them that were simply better in the long run. Several who never had a chance at a starting position: Lia and Tyson are two from the QB position.

I've worked with, and hired, people in the past that checked every single box I was looking for in an employee. But, when it came down to performance they simply couldn't cut the mustard. I tend to look at a kid like Alfano, as one example, and don't fault the staff much like I don't fault myself on those hires. One never can tell how a person will respond when their feet are held to the fire.

As an analogy, how many times have you seen someone do great on the range and as soon as they get on the box they spray every shot left and right? The heat of the moment, right?

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One more thought.

Take Ole Miss or LSU here. Ole Miss has 14 (I believe) they've pulled in through the portal. LSU, the last time I looked, had 12 or 13.

When we look at a figure like 40% of a class it seems very high. But, when you look at the Tide just bringing in four, to date, Alabama has far fewer holes to fill than those other programs.

There are a few where if they would have stuck it out would have had starting/contributing roles. Not many though.

All of that combined together tells me they've done a good job maintaining the roster despite the turnover.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Let me ask you this. Several of those ended up being "head cases." Do you consider those players misvaluations?

A number of these guys had people recruited along with them that were simply better in the long run. Several who never had a chance at a starting position: Lia and Tyson are two from the QB position.

I've worked with, and hired, people in the past that checked every single box I was looking for in an employee. But, when it came down to performance they simply couldn't cut the mustard. I tend to look at a kid like Alfano, as one example, and don't fault the staff much like I don't fault myself on those hires. One never can tell how a person will respond when their feet are held to the fire.

As an analogy, how many times have you seen someone do great on the range and as soon as they get on the box they spray every shot left and right? The heat of the moment, right?

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One more thought.

Take Ole Miss or LSU here. Ole Miss has 14 (I believe) they've pulled in through the portal. LSU, the last time I looked, had 12 or 13.

When we look at a figure like 40% of a class it seems very high. But, when you look at the Tide just bringing in four, to date, Alabama has far fewer holes to fill than those other programs.

There are a few where if they would have stuck it out would have had starting/contributing roles. Not many though.

All of that combined together tells me they've done a good job maintaining the roster despite the turnover.

I am just telling you that recruiting is a tuff business and missing on players happen to the very best. I believe you can have a really good football team with 55-60 players on your roster.

If a player isn't playing meaningful snaps after his 1st two years, then chances are he will never start at Bama. ( always some exceptions but)