🌎 "Trump has arrested a murderer, a dictator, a drug lord, and here is why it's wrong and bad for the USA." - Maduro's arrest in Venezuala

[Krimson]

This cowboy mentality by this administration will eventually gets us into an actual war, Mexico and Iran aren’t just going to accept this country bombijg shit for the President’s ego

The alternative possibility is that Mexico and Iran get on board with what the US requires of them. I'm not for bombing anyone for ego and I don't think that's why Trump is doing it, he's doing it because other countries won't get on board.

Mexico and Iran not accepting means what? We're not friends anymore? What's the loss?

 

[TerryP]

Biden didn’t grant Maduro clemency, he raised the bounty for his capture, a quick Google search supplies that information. Prior to him leaving office he raised the bounty.

I didn't say that. A bit of wasted time for me to Google, wouldn't ya say?

I know you have a fondness for this administration, but whether you or anybody else agrees with it or not it is filled with clowns just as the previous administration had some clowns.

Damn. After all this time you still don't understand. Dude, going on three years now I've talked about this with you.

I like the policies of the current administration. All these policies you've claimed to be "clownish," have worked. And this is the derangement of which I speak.

I do appreciate you bringing up Biden's actions in January of last year. Let's not forget he also lifted the sanctions Trump had placed on Maduro and Venezula before with the promise, from Maduro, he'd hold fair elections.

My appreciation is this. It goes to show the same people grandstanding in front of the cameras today about how wrong this is felt differently less than one year ago. It's all about whom, not what.

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A catch phrase right now I consider to be a flag is, "regime change." At the core, based upon the indictment from several years ago, this is a fugitive wanted by both the FBI and DEA. The way "regime change" frames his arrest I find on the dishonest side. I live in as much of a black and white world as I can. I'm starting to look at the term "regime change" as one bordering on graphite.

 

[TerryP]

This just in …

As reclusive as he is in a small crowd this actually works ... the drug king pin who isn't publicly seen.

 

[TerryP]

Mexico ... accepting means what? We're not friends anymore? What's the loss?

Those vegatables...with all this shit sprayed on them so they don't spoil.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I didn't say that. A bit of wasted time for me to Google, wouldn't ya say?

Damn. After all this time you still don't understand. Dude, going on three years now I've talked about this with you.

I like the policies of the current administration. All these policies you've claimed to be "clownish," have worked. And this is the derangement of which I speak.

I do appreciate you bringing up Biden's actions in January of last year. Let's not forget he also lifted the sanctions Trump had placed on Maduro and Venezula before with the promise, from Maduro, he'd hold fair elections.

My appreciation is this. It goes to show the same people grandstanding in front of the cameras today about how wrong this is felt differently less than one year ago. It's all about whom, not what.

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A catch phrase right now I consider to be a flag is, "regime change." At the core, based upon the indictment from several years ago, this is a fugitive wanted by both the FBI and DEA. The way "regime change" frames his arrest I find on the dishonest side. I live in as much of a black and white world as I can. I'm starting to look at the term "regime change" as one bordering on graphite.

I will say more in a couple of hours as I’m traveling home at the moment. But, your first part I misread it wrong and apologize for that mistake

 

[Krimson]

Those vegatables...with all this shit sprayed on them so they don't spoil.

Guess there's that

 

[musso]

Maduro's family was arrested, indicated, and convicted of trafficking cocaine into the States. Biden granted them clemency and let 'em go.

Maduro has been indicated and has now been arrested in this administration

This regime change wasn’t performed on account of drug trafficking. It’s widely known and well documented that our own Feds have facilitated drug trafficking for decades, if not over a century now.

 

[musso]

So, @musso If cheering is the operative word, for whom should people cheer?

Thomas Massie and Rand Paul.

 

[musso]

… and every piece of the U.S.'s case held up in Federal court.

So the federal government defended itself and decided itself to be lawful, did it? You don’t say. Or to put it another way, the robe-wearing class wisely deferred to warrior class.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

So the federal government defended itself and decided itself to be lawful, did it? You don’t say. Or to put it another way, the robe-wearing class wisely deferred to warrior class.

Any time someone is prosecuted, it’s a prosecutor and a judge. For each position forwarded by the defense, a single judge, panel or court weighs it. DOJ gets taken to task by the judiciary, or they concur with them. Absent a different Constitution, not sure what you propose.

 

[musso]

Absent a different Constitution, not sure what you propose.

Contrary to what our PoliSci classes told us in school, our government doesn’t always abide by the Constitution. Neither is power separated among three equal branches. This is just theory, not practice.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Contrary to what our PoliSci classes told us in school, our government doesn’t always abide by the Constitution. Neither is power separated among three equal branches. This is just theory, not practice.

What do you propose?

 

[footballer]

Right or wrong? I don't know. From what I have been hearing, watching, Maduro will take a plea bargain on the lesser charges filed against him and except a light sentence in exchange for his testimony against the illegal Dominion voting machines that have the ability to flip votes from one candidate to another, which gave him his win. Also believed by the Trump camp to have been a difference in the 2020 election that installed Joe Biden in the White House.

 

[TerryP]

I will say more in a couple of hours as I’m traveling home at the moment.

Wild. One of my first thoughts getting up a few minutes ago was, "I need to get away from home for a few..." You should have stayed so I could live through you vicariously.

Honestly, you could take a week to get home. I suspect this story will continue to give, and give, and give...

 

[TerryP]

This regime change wasn’t performed on account of drug trafficking. It’s widely known and well documented that our own Feds have facilitated drug trafficking for decades, if not over a century now.

Okay, let's go your way. It was not about traffficking, it was about control of natural resources. It's all been a ruse...

..where, this ruse, keeps China, Iran, and other adversaries of the States out.

And I'm still left standing with the same decry.

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Furthermore, this reinforces the original post in this thread.

Arresting Maduro was important and a necessity, a good thing, last January. But now, it's illegal and is being characterized as unwise. What's changed?

Five years ago this administration was loudly criticized for not removing him from power. Now, it's a bad thing. What's changed?

It isn't about what's has happened. It's all about who was in charge of the administration when it happened.

This is all just as stupid as watching the attitudes of many change on a dime with a ride down an escalator.

 

[TerryP]

Right or wrong? I don't know.

By law, there is only one place the FBI and DEA can not use the military to arrest a fugitive. It's within the boarders of the United States. That law has been on the books for a century and a half, or more.

What's funny is seeing, hearing, and reading where the "harm" will come from in the aftermath. The lovely Jasmine Crockett suggests it's because he wants to go to war with Venuzuala? (Uh, what?) The reason for that war is so he can stop the next elections.

You know the old "walk, talk, quack like a duck?" If it sounds deranged? It's because it is.

 

[TerryP]

By law, there is only one place the FBI and DEA can not use the military to arrest a fugitive. It's within the boarders of the United States. That law has been on the books for a century and a half, or more.

1878 Posse Comitatus Act

 

[TerryP]

So the federal government defended itself and decided itself to be lawful, did it? You don’t say. Or to put it another way, the robe-wearing class wisely deferred to warrior class.

@ElephantStomp mentioned Biden raised his bounty earlier in this thread and he's right; Biden did that while declaring him a fugitive.

IF I am remembering this correctly Biden actions last January also stripped Maduro of his head of state immunity. It just reinforced something on the books already from the elder Bush in '89.

All that makes what you posted murky, at best. Confusing, in the least.

A law is on the books and I'm reading a suggestion "the federal government is defending itself and declaring itself lawful" ... for a law that's already on the books? Did you spend the 4th of July with Chuck and Temu Obama?

I'm sitting here shaking my head, again, remembering ...

10 years ago Obama declared Venezuala as a national security threat against the United States. I remember watching the video of Maduro and he was mad. M.A.D. Much like some we're seeing on the news outlets this week...

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Right or wrong? I don't know. From what I have been hearing, watching, Maduro will take a plea bargain on the lesser charges filed against him and except a light sentence in exchange for his testimony against the illegal Dominion voting machines that have the ability to flip votes from one candidate to another, which gave him his win. Also believed by the Trump camp to have been a difference in the 2020 election that installed Joe Biden in the White House.

Maduro is the goal. He didn't need high tech to steal the election, nor did Venezuela (of all places) have a hand in Trump's 2020 defeat. He just declared it fraudulent - interestingly, like Trump did in 2020. In my view, he has no leverage to turn state's evidence. The whole Venezuela/Dominion/Liberty/Smartmatic conspiracy smacks of QAnon level stuff. Trump himself doesn't even believe the 2020 voting machine fraud story; he's just too warped to admit he lost.

The 2020 election was a defeat for Trump. He alienated many of the suburban voters who were repulsed by Clinton and voted for him as the lesser of the two evils. Enough voters bought Biden's basement campaign that he'd be a caretaker; instead, his actual administration was liberals running amok. The recoil from the Biden administration's liberal march activated Trump's base, and the chickens were coming home to roost for Biden or Harris.

In 2028, the way it looks to me now is that swing voters will have been sufficiently put off by the havoc wreaked through this administration's (necessary) rapid reversal of decades of liberal power plays and socialist creep to return a democrat to the White House. The MAGA infighting will only escalate, and that will increase the likelihood of a dem win. I'll also add that, ahead of the midterm, there must be legislation to cement Trump's key policy advances, or we'll just swing right back through EO's. In 2028, the republicans must hold the Senate to prevent a complete whipsaw.

 

[TerryP]

Maduro is the goal.

I caught an interview with Jeanne Shaheen (D-NJ or NH) this morning. She said the same thing while echoing my thoughts about this not being "regime change."

I don't know the exact structure of their government. In "our" terms, her description followed this line of thinking. If you remove the President but the VP, SoS, the cabinet members, and the other government leaders in place and remove one...the regime is still there. It just a new head of the snake, so to speak.

Seth Harp is one of the more entertaining stories in the last 24 hours.