🏈 Tony Franklin threads (merged)

[TerryP]

Scout ranks pre and post season. That that ranking says today is going to be different, far different, come their next rankings.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I am so disappointed in this whole situation. I know it is AU and their chaos( fine by me)...but as a person I think they did the guy wrong.

I understand your point....but I think he had a 3 year contract at 300k a year....kind of hard to feel bad for a guy laughing all the way to the bank. He can always coach HS ball and make a decent living.

I read somewhere yesterday two years guaranteed at $280,000 a year.

 

[bamascott2]

My Auburn husband brought up a good point. I don't really know the money amount, but he said they're still paying Borges and will now be paying Franklin as well. So next season they'll be paying 3 OC's...maybe one can get it right. Hope not!

Franklin is in the first year of a two-year guaranteed contract that pays him $280,000 annually. Auburn is also paying Al Borges, who was dismissed as offensive coordinator last December.

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/bi...sports/1223540150228880.xml&coll=2&thispage=2


The Burners probably still have Terry and Pat on their payrolls as well. Gotta milk a lot of cows to continue paying their ex-coaches.

 

[Guest]

Rush Propst lets 'em have it on Franklin firing

Normally I don't post much about Auburn. I hate them as much or more than most of you, but they really bore me. Anyway, I can't resist these seething comments from Rush Propst.

I know, I know. He is friends with Franklin and has a few reputation questions of his own, but enjoy this piece. A little smile is good for everyone.

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1223540122228880.xml&coll=2

 

[bear facts]

Enjoyed the read. I expected RP to make some statements publicly about the situation.

With everything that's been documented about Tuberville, how many of you (if you were a coach) would be willing to take a position under the man?

 

[TerryP]

Enjoyed the read. I expected RP to make some statements publicly about the situation.

With everything that's been documented about Tuberville, how many of you (if you were a coach) would be willing to take a position under the man?

Not exactly a fair question to ask Bama fans on a Bama board, now is it? :lol:

Whether most want to admit it or not, if Tuberville announced he'd be interviewing for the OC position today, he'd have 100's of resumes in his inbox by the time the sun set.

Out of the close to 120 major programs in the FBS, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the OC at Auburn is a move up the proverbial food chain. (no pun intended)

"The one thing he does have going is he has tremendous continuity on the staff, and (Steve) Ensminger has had extensive experience as a coordinator," Luginbill said.

True, and an interesting observation.

When Ensminger was at Tx A&M they had a decent offense averaging around 25-30 points versus conference teams. But, he started taking a team in '94 to a record of 10-0-1 and finished in '96 with a 6-6 record. His next move was Clemson where he was shown the door after a 3-8 season...then, moved back into the High School ranks.

Auburn made this same move a few years ago when they turned the offense over to Nall and that bottomed out pretty big.

It's going to be interesting down there...

Propst hits on something in his statements people should pay attention to...

There are some high schools out there that run Franklin's system, like Hoover did. If the HS coaches can see how it was/wasn't implemented you have to wonder how they feel about the staff down there in general right now. I suspect it isn't in glowing terms this afternoon.

 

[RollTide1980]

I'm originally from the Vestavia Hills area (a stones toss from Hoover) and know all about Rush Propst.

Having said that...he knows his football. He doesn't have the first idea when it comes to being a man...but he knows football.

I'll give Propst credit for standing up for his buddy and not holding any punches in respect to Tuberville.

When HS coaches are "calling you out"...all respect is lost my friends.

~Bryan

 

[BamaGradinTN]

I'll guarantee you that if Rush Propst's OC had said to the press, when asked "why did you have him in at QB?", answered "Because I was told to", Propst would have fired him before the next practice.

 

[BamaGradinTN]

The real deal behind Franklin's firing

The Great Pumpkin said to the media a couple of weeks ago, "We didn't get stupid overnight as football coaches". Now, Phat Phil has been stupid for a while. Tommy Tuberville is not stupid.

I don't think Franklin's firing was because of the offense not working. Tuberville knew that bringing in a new OC to install a new system that would require recruiting personnel with certain skills would take some time. He had to be mentally prepared to be a little less successful in the short term.

When Franklin was asked by the media after the UT game "why did you have him at quarterback" and he answered "because I was told to". he should have been gone immediately. When asked that question, the first word out of his mouth should have been "we". That was an indication that something was going on behind the scenes. Then, when Tubs kept all assistants away from the media after the Vandy game, you knew there was a problem.

The other huge problem was Todd. The whole issue with Todd's father and Franklin's allegiance to him was a problem. Basically, you had another version of the Nutt-Malzahn-Mustain problem, maybe not on the same scale. However, unlike the situation in FayetteNam, Tommy Tuberville is running the football program at Auburn.

I think Tuberville was absolutely right to cut him loose right now and take his lumps. If Franklin had stayed, the problem would have gotten worse before it got better. Firing him after the season would have hurt recruiting worse than firing him now.

Where I think Tuberville went wrong is in doing his homework beforehand. Franklin worked for Blakeney, Blakeney was a QB and coach at Auburn, and maybe that's all Tubs talked to. He should have done some more research. Obviously Franklin was a bad hire. Better to acknowledge it now and deal with it. Contrast Tubs' decisiveness in firing one assistant with Shula's refusal to take action, which ended up getting himself and all his assistants fired.

Also, now maybe the media will understand why Saban restricts the media's access to assistants.

We will beat Auburn, but don't kid yourselves. It's not going to be as easy as it was two days ago.

 

[bear facts]

With everything that's been documented about Tuberville, how many of you (if you were a coach) would be willing to take a position under the man?

Not exactly a fair question to ask Bama fans on a Bama board, now is it? :lol:

:lol:

No it isn't, but I enjoy using a bee hive for a pinata, too.

Whether most want to admit it or not, if Tuberville announced he'd be interviewing for the OC position today, he'd have 100's of resumes in his inbox by the time the sun set.

Out of the close to 120 major programs in the FBS, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the OC at Auburn is a move up the proverbial food chain. (no pun intended)

"The one thing he does have going is he has tremendous continuity on the staff, and (Steve) Ensminger has had extensive experience as a coordinator," Luginbill said.

True, and an interesting observation.

When Ensminger was at Tx A&M they had a decent offense averaging around 25-30 points versus conference teams. But, he started taking a team in '94 to a record of 10-0-1 and finished in '96 with a 6-6 record. His next move was Clemson where he was shown the door after a 3-8 season...then, moved back into the High School ranks.

Auburn made this same move a few years ago when they turned the offense over to Nall and that bottomed out pretty big.

It's going to be interesting down there...

Propst hits on something in his statements people should pay attention to...

There are some high schools out there that run Franklin's system, like Hoover did. If the HS coaches can see how it was/wasn't implemented you have to wonder how they feel about the staff down there in general right now. I suspect it isn't in glowing terms this afternoon.

Spot on remarks, as usual. ;tr

But let's not forget, high school football ain't college football and college football ain't pro football. A lot of different variables come into play with each scenario & level of play.

Some folks (coaches) are simply suited better for only one particular level and never really do well with a transition to another.

Also, the spread offense would more likely succeed instantly at the high school level than it would at the college level. For such an offense like that to work at a higher level, time becomes an important factor in terms of getting the right athletes in place to compete against teams that have a greater proportion of players on defense "who can get the job done."

In other words, high schools, if they're lucky, will have a handful of outstanding players on the defensive side of the ball, while a top college program will field an even higher number of impact players on defense. Given that fact alone, one would assume that it would be easier to have success with a spread offense at the HS level than it would at the college level (provided the offensive system can be simplified for the average HS player).

 

[RollTide1980]

Re: The real deal behind Franklin's firing

The Great Pumpkin said to the media a couple of weeks ago, "We didn't get stupid overnight as football coaches". Now, Phat Phil has been stupid for a while. Tommy Tuberville is not stupid.

I don't think Franklin's firing was because of the offense not working. Tuberville knew that bringing in a new OC to install a new system that would require recruiting personnel with certain skills would take some time. He had to be mentally prepared to be a little less successful in the short term.

When Franklin was asked by the media after the UT game "why did you have him at quarterback" and he answered "because I was told to". he should have been gone immediately. When asked that question, the first word out of his mouth should have been "we". That was an indication that something was going on behind the scenes. Then, when Tubs kept all assistants away from the media after the Vandy game, you knew there was a problem.

The other huge problem was Todd. The whole issue with Todd's father and Franklin's allegiance to him was a problem. Basically, you had another version of the Nutt-Malzahn-Mustain problem, maybe not on the same scale. However, unlike the situation in FayetteNam, Tommy Tuberville is running the football program at Auburn.

I think Tuberville was absolutely right to cut him loose right now and take his lumps. If Franklin had stayed, the problem would have gotten worse before it got better. Firing him after the season would have hurt recruiting worse than firing him now.

Where I think Tuberville went wrong is in doing his homework beforehand. Franklin worked for Blakeney, Blakeney was a QB and coach at Auburn, and maybe that's all Tubs talked to. He should have done some more research. Obviously Franklin was a bad hire. Better to acknowledge it now and deal with it. Contrast Tubs' decisiveness in firing one assistant with Shula's refusal to take action, which ended up getting himself and all his assistants fired.

Also, now maybe the media will understand why Saban restricts the media's access to assistants.

We will beat Auburn, but don't kid yourselves. It's not going to be as easy as it was two days ago.

Great post

In respect to the bad hire, what more can anyone say?

TROY...is not Auburn!
TROY...is not Auburn!

Hello? Troy is not Auburn!

I know Fresno State is not Alabama, but Bama doesn't run a gimmick offense. Most of the time a gimmick offense only works when you are at a smaller school and play "lesser" opponents. I know some may disagree...but I think it's a fair conclusion.

Auburn doesn't have the players to run the spread. PERIOD. A big offensive line and a slow QB is not the ticket.

Tubby put himself in this position. If he would've taken the time to lean ANYTHING about offense, yesterday would have never happened.

ATTN TUBBY:

"Defensive backs can only pick off passes...they can't throw them."

He forgot that lesson along the way. Thus Auburn is a college defense, with a junior high offense.

Give the ball to BEN TATE...and get the heck out of his way! That would be my gameplan until something better comes along.

~Bryan

 

[Guest]

We shall see how much better they are without him. We shall see.

 

[bear facts]

Re: The real deal behind Franklin's firing

Most of the time a gimmick offense only works when you are at a smaller school and play "lesser" opponents. I know some may disagree...but I think it's a fair conclusion.

Exception to the rule: Boise State vs. Oklahoma. But you did qualify your statement with "Most." :wink:

I know I sure wouldn't want to have to rely on those types of plays to win games.

 

[BamaGradinTN]

I suspect that there were also problems between Franklin and the other assistants, not unlike Malzahn at Ark. Other Auburn assts. have been there a while, and suddenly this guru who is supposed to know everything and will sell you his system for $3,000 is gonna run the offense. You know a guy like that has to have a pretty big ego, and you know there had to be clashes. Franklin may not have had the wisdom to know how to come into that situation and get the other offensive coaches to buy into what he was trying to do.

 

[Guest]

Not a candidate to replace Franklin, Ensminger to run offens

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3634265


see everyone was scared. :lol:

 

[BamaGradinTN]

Re: The real deal behind Franklin's firing

Most of the time a gimmick offense only works when you are at a smaller school and play "lesser" opponents.

I've always been of the opinion that any offense can work in any league. Give me guys like Dwight Stephenson, John Hannah, and Andre Smith on the line, give me Vince Young at QB, Herschell Walker at FB, Bo Jackson and Shaun Alexander at HB...we'll run the wishbone and you'll have to put another digit on the scoreboard. It's all about athletes. If you have the best athletes, you can run whatever you want.

 

[RollTide1980]

Re: The real deal behind Franklin's firing

Most of the time a gimmick offense only works when you are at a smaller school and play "lesser" opponents. I know some may disagree...but I think it's a fair conclusion.

Exception to the rule: Boise State vs. Oklahoma. But you did qualify your statement with "Most." :wink:

I know I sure wouldn't want to have to rely on those types of plays to win games.

I did say most ! lol

I know Missouri and Oklahoma run the spread, or atleast a variation of the spread...and both teams are great!

HOWEVER...

They have the players to make it work. AUBIE...no such luck.

Auburn running the spread with the players they have, is like asking Chipper Jones to win the Cy Young award instead of the batting title.

~Bryan

 

[bear facts]

Re: Not a candidate to replace Franklin, Ensminger to run of

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3634265


see everyone was scared. :lol:

:lol:

Who would be available in the middle of a season except someone like this:

. . . Actually, this individual is the most logical choice for the vacancy:

He seems to know everything there is to know about quarterbacking & running an offense and college football in general.

 

[Argo]

Re: Not a candidate to replace Franklin, Ensminger to run of

He seems to know everything there is to know about quarterbacking & running an offense and college football in general.

Plus, you can save money by not putting names on the jerseys, because he isn't going to remember them anyway.

 

[Bama-Tee]

Tubberville is a Gutless Turd and Auburn is.................

pure crap. I have no love whatsoever for the Cow
College and even less now after the Franklin debacle.The video that Pork Chop mentioned in his post is yet another example of the classless mentality of the Barn. Tubberville is the problem at AU and they are too STUPID to realize that fact. To shame a man and video tape an embarrasing moment to show to the world deserves a smack down. Maybe somewhere down the line Franklin will have a chance at payback. Who knows......Tubbys pay back may come this year.

RTR !!!!!! *barner SUCKS