🏈 The Year 1 to Year 2 culture change under DeBoer...

I'm stating that some players don't find their footing till their Senior year, but won't likely hear from Alabama based on what you shared. Yet, you have a quarterback that is in his fourth year in the program finally getting to play, meaning he has finally showcased the ability to start. Late bloomers is my point is all, and just weird how we don't look for that but it's what we got right now.

Gotcha now, sorry... the "extenuating circumstances" can come into play, it isn't a complete absolute hard no if a guy were to blow up during his Sr. season. But I'm not sure how often that will come into play. Those types of players should be pretty well known if they are going to end up good enough to secure an SEC level (much less a UA) offer... they'd have been seen in camps and such which means they could already be on the staff's recruiting board (they just might not have an offer at that point). I think Ty would be a better example if he'd been a late pickup like Josh Jacobs who came out of nowhere a month before NSD. This staff absolutely wants players on their roster like Simpson who will stick it out, develop, and wait their turn.
 
Ah Dude...let what be? I made a simple statement regarding what Ballou said in the interview. To me the slogan LANK infers proving the doubters wrong. Now if it's more of a money grab than a motivating quote to get better...that's ok too. It actually makes sense if that's the case....
The thing I keep stumbling my toe on is the leg on the foot rest that reads, "Terrion Arnold." LANK isn't Milroe: he was "placed at the face" of LANK.
 
The thing I keep stumbling my toe on is the leg on the foot rest that reads, "Terrion Arnold." LANK isn't Milroe: he was "placed at the face" of LANK.
Pretty simple to me. It doesn't matter whose name is attached or out front. Initially, it appeared (at least to me) that the slogan was in response to things being said during the rough start of the 23 season. Now, if it was less of a motivator for the team to get better and prove folks wrong and more of a way to make money...that's fine. But the appearance (again, my opinion) is that they were talking the talk, but not walking the walk.
 
But the appearance (again, my opinion) is that they were talking the talk, but not walking the walk.
Which circles around my opinion: still unchanged.

LANK was associated, by appearance, with Milroe and a few select others. It's not right. It's also seemingly blamed for the '24 season. That's not correct.

It reminds me, SO much, of the '19 pick- on the short yardage Jones to Jeudy pattern at Auburn. Mac got almost all of the blame, Jerry a little, but FEW pointed to the guy who screwed things up (and this morning I can't remember if it was the pulling Latu or Forristall ... leaning away from Miller.)
 
Gotcha now, sorry... the "extenuating circumstances" can come into play, it isn't a complete absolute hard no if a guy were to blow up during his Sr. season. But I'm not sure how often that will come into play. Those types of players should be pretty well known if they are going to end up good enough to secure an SEC level (much less a UA) offer... they'd have been seen in camps and such which means they could already be on the staff's recruiting board (they just might not have an offer at that point). I think Ty would be a better example if he'd been a late pickup like Josh Jacobs who came out of nowhere a month before NSD. This staff absolutely wants players on their roster like Simpson who will stick it out, develop, and wait their turn.

I was gonna bring up Jacobs, but know he's always the example. The only reason I bring up Ty as a guy is just because it wasn't until "Senior" year where he got his chance, so just saying apply apply that to the NFL and if they took that approach.

In the end, it's a small number as you stated, very small. Just thought it was interesting. Not even something that will move our needle as you stated, just me chatting.
 
It's a strategy and approach that differs a bit from how Saban handled things, yet is proving to yield similar results... top 5 recruiting classes. It's a system that's been developed by DeBoer and Morgan during their time together and tweaked and improved as they've dealt with rising issues like NIL and the transfer portal. And while DeBoer hasn't been in one spot long enough (yet) to really see the long term results, it's pretty clear to see that much like under Saban, recruiting isn't going to be an issue under this regime. I'll sorta give the whole overview as I understand it, but as it pertains to team culture, it's all about having a good idea of the type of person they are bringing into the program so that there are fewer surprises (and issues) down the road. They believe building strong relationships during the recruiting process is the key to that.

While there is much more to it than this, here are the basics as it was relayed to me by someone inside the building who is very familiar with how the recruiting plan works...

This staff under DeBoer narrows their overall recruiting board down to a smaller pool of players than they did previously under Saban. This was DeBoer’s and Morgan’s philosophy from UW. They concentrate on that smaller pool of players and hammer the relationship building part of it. That’s something that’s harder if not impossible to do with a much larger group of recruits. They also don’t add new recruits to their board after the month of April (without some extreme extenuating circumstances), another break from the Saban philosophy. Building relationships is that important to them.

As it pertains to NIL/roster management, on their big board, they have positions slotted out with how much they are willing to pay (rev share and NIL) at each position and they don’t go beyond that set number. They believe their formula allows them to sign enough high end/elite players while also supplementing the class with lower ranked and lesser recruited/overlooked players. Those are players they have thoroughly evaluated and feel are underrated players that can be developed in the system who won’t bolt after a year or two on the bench, thanks in part to those strong relationships and trust that is built. But it’s the strong relations they build that they think helps get many of those guys, plus they have a better feel for the type of player/person they are getting since they’ve invested so much time in them.

Lastly, an effort is made to get them committed earlier (even if just privately) and then spend the late summer and fall on strengthening and cultivating those relationships (hosting them when possible, using their visits, going to their games, staying in constant touch, etc.) while starting strong on the next year's crop of recruits and not wasting time chasing commitments down all the way to NSD.

I feel like I've typed the word "relationship(s)" about 30 times in this post... but that is at the core of their overall strategy and efforts. Also, and I want to be clear here, while in some ways this staff recruits differently than Saban and his staffs did, that doesn't mean one way is necessarily better than the other. They are different paths that, at least in terms of recruiting, lead to the same red X on the map.
Really appreciate the overview and insight. Do you think that the relationship aspect is something that has to happen in unproven programs, as opposed to an established program under Saban that has results and NFL placements to show their value? Roster management is more critical than ever, but one of the most repeated Saban recruiting efforts was about a relationship with Ingram's mom established two decades earlier, demonstrating Saban's commitment to the player's success (and eligibility, of course).

I'm most excited about the return to discipline and physical conditioning/development. Again, it only took a slight drop-off to leave us with more losses than we'd like.
 
Really appreciate the overview and insight. Do you think that the relationship aspect is something that has to happen in unproven programs, as opposed to an established program under Saban that has results and NFL placements to show their value? Roster management is more critical than ever, but one of the most repeated Saban recruiting efforts was about a relationship with Ingram's mom established two decades earlier, demonstrating Saban's commitment to the player's success (and eligibility, of course).

I'm most excited about the return to discipline and physical conditioning/development. Again, it only took a slight drop-off to leave us with more losses than we'd like.

I'm not sure. I think a lot of it is just the personality of DeBoer and what he values. And maybe as college sports evolves in this transfer era, it's a necessary approach. I have noticed that 2 other programs on campus are starting to do the same type of thing... baseball with Rob Vaughn is one. He is never going to be able to pull in top 5 classes every year, but he certainly puts in the effort to build strong relationships with the guys (compared to some previous/other staffs). Also, Oats... I think he sees the importance of it these days. He's even talked how he had the new practice facility plans altered at the last minute to put the coaching offices on the ground level by the practice court instead of overlooking i like most all other setups are these days. He saw the unique floor level offices in an NBA practice facility (Boston maybe?) and realized that by doing that, he'd be able to have much more contact with his players (off the court).
 
Which circles around my opinion: still unchanged.

LANK was associated, by appearance, with Milroe and a few select others. It's not right. It's also seemingly blamed for the '24 season. That's not correct.

It reminds me, SO much, of the '19 pick- on the short yardage Jones to Jeudy pattern at Auburn. Mac got almost all of the blame, Jerry a little, but FEW pointed to the guy who screwed things up (and this morning I can't remember if it was the pulling Latu or Forristall ... leaning away from Miller.)
Just my opinion. It wasn't about any particular player involved it was about the team attitude. Naysayers were saying Alabama wouldn't be what Alabama had been under Saban and they were right. They lost games they weren't supposed to lose. They were undisciplined but Saban's last few weren't as disciplined as his earlier years. The team cane out with the slogan then went on to prove the Naysayers correct. I don't blame the slogan but if that's your slogan you should back it up. I'm more old school, keep your mouth shut and let your play speak for you and they were letting their mouths write the checks. Just a part of the New college ball I don't really care for. I'm sure some associate the slogan with milroe but for me it was the whole team.
 
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