🌎 The ICE facility in New Jersey with the mayor arrested.

[ElephantStomp]

Once again, using words casually enough to diminish their meaning.

Gestapo ordeal?

It's tantrums like this that prick my skin a bit. I've said, repeatedly, I knowing break the law. I've also said if I get arrested I know why. I am breaking the law. However, I'm not going to pull some victim shit and say, "the liquid THC is for cancer patients." even though it's the truth.

In my view there are two answers to the mayor. He knowingly broke federal law or he just isn't smart. In my view, the politicians and "faith leaders?" Arrest them all.

On that note...your desire to see a far left Pope just to watch the reactions? Let's put that light on this story and watch how Hakeem Jefferies reacts if they are arrested. "Red line," as he put it.

ICE agents are Trump’s gestapo army in a sense. It’s not just the worse of the worse being deported, American citizens are being held at airports and being questioned. I agree and have agreed that the issue at the border and the people here illegally that don’t want to follow the law should be handled, but that’s not what’s going on, ICE is running around detaining people that shouldn’t be detained, being held for hours being questioned about their political beliefs and shit. They’re a gestapo agency, check points at the Canadian border stopping vehicles that are going into Canada, hiding outside courthouses, so they stop non white people and check immigration statuses, all with the green light from Trump and DHS and it’s incompetent leader.

I desired a pope that was left so I could see and read the whining reactions, which I got.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

ICE agents are Trump’s gestapo army in a sense. It’s not just the worse of the worse being deported, American citizens are being held at airports and being questioned. I agree and have agreed that the issue at the border and the people here illegally that don’t want to follow the law should be handled, but that’s not what’s going on, ICE is running around detaining people that shouldn’t be detained, being held for hours being questioned about their political beliefs and shit. They’re a gestapo agency, check points at the Canadian border stopping vehicles that are going into Canada, hiding outside courthouses, so they stop non white people and check immigration statuses, all with the green light from Trump and DHS and it’s incompetent leader.

I desired a pope that was left so I could see and read the whining reactions, which I got.

Should only the worst of worst be deported?

 

[TerryP]

ICE agents are Trump’s gestapo army in a sense. It’s not just the worse of the worse being deported, American citizens are being held at airports and being questioned. I agree and have agreed that the issue at the border and the people here illegally that don’t want to follow the law should be handled, but that’s not what’s going on, ICE is running around detaining people that shouldn’t be detained, being held for hours being questioned about their political beliefs and shit. They’re a gestapo agency, check points at the Canadian border stopping vehicles that are going into Canada, hiding outside courthouses, so they stop non white people and check immigration statuses, all with the green light from Trump and DHS and it’s incompetent leader.

My first thought is in regard to "detained that shouldn't be, held for hours and questioned..."

Their political beliefs? You're making that up unless you consider asking a guy if he's a gang member a political question. It would take a FOIA request to get the transcripts of these interrogations. They are kept within the records of ICE, but not publicly available. In other words, don't throw shit at the wall and expect it to stick. You don't know what's been asked in those interviews.

Check points at the Canadian border. Geez. That started more than 70 years ago: Eisenhower.

Hiding outside of courthouses? Is this a fucking joke? A federal agent hides in the shadows to apprehend a criminal. Why would he do that? To avoid a chase?

ICE agents enforcing the law. And, your instinct is a reference to Hitler. Bruh...

 

[Krimson]

ICE agents are Trump’s gestapo army in a sense. It’s not just the worse of the worse being deported, American citizens are being held at airports and being questioned. I agree and have agreed that the issue at the border and the people here illegally that don’t want to follow the law should be handled, but that’s not what’s going on, ICE is running around detaining people that shouldn’t be detained, being held for hours being questioned about their political beliefs and shit. They’re a gestapo agency, check points at the Canadian border stopping vehicles that are going into Canada, hiding outside courthouses, so they stop non white people and check immigration statuses, all with the green light from Trump and DHS and it’s incompetent leader.

I desired a pope that was left so I could see and read the whining reactions, which I got.

And you think conservatives are the ones with crazy reactions?

 

[ElephantStomp]

My first thought is in regard to "detained that shouldn't be, held for hours and questioned..."

Their political beliefs? You're making that up unless you consider asking a guy if he's a gang member a political question. It would take a FOIA request to get the transcripts of these interrogations. They are kept within the records of ICE, but not publicly available. In other words, don't throw shit at the wall and expect it to stick. You don't know what's been asked in those interviews.

Check points at the Canadian border. Geez. That started more than 70 years ago: Eisenhower.

Hiding outside of courthouses? Is this a fucking joke? A federal agent hides in the shadows to apprehend a criminal. Why would he do that? To avoid a chase?

ICE agents enforcing the law. And, your instinct is a reference to Hitler. Bruh...

A very well known podcaster and streamer was detained and held and asked about political beliefs when he arrived back from France (according to him), so going on what an actual person said.

In the state I’m currently in they (ICE) are not allowed inside the courthouses (state law), so they hide outside and wait, there’s no disputing that whatsoever. Apprehend a criminal…..funny thing criminals have criminal warrants not administrative, which is why most agencies can’t hold people for ICE, they drag the process a bit for release to see if ICE will come, but they cannot be held specifically for that again there’s disputing that whatsoever.

Let’s look at it this way, while I agree with something had to be done at the border and that despicable criminals should not be here, I 1000% disagree with ICE raiding some house to snatch up Grandma and detaining with absolutely no due process.

I bet you agree with this administration or I should say some within it of suspending habeas corpus to?

 

[ElephantStomp]

And you think conservatives are the ones with crazy reactions?

A crazy reaction to Americans being detained……and I bet suspending habeas corpus is a good thing too since your Gestapo leader thinks so?

 

[Rsedge72]

No idea what the gestapo was.

Bought into the nazi narrative, which you have no idea what that means either.

Geheime Staatspolizie look it up

 

[Krimson]

A crazy reaction to Americans being detained……and I bet suspending habeas corpus is a good thing too since your Gestapo leader thinks so?

I don't agree with any actual US citizen being detained without reasonable suspicion. I also disagree with the status quo that the US constitution applies to illegal immigrants. I see nothing wrong with immediate deportation of people who are here illegally. What is the cost to taxpayers to house and try the millions of illegal immigrants?
The constitution allows for different rules for check points within a hundred miles of the border. I've been through several and never have I been asked my political beliefs or unlawfully detained. I firmly believe that the majority of ICE agents are doing their jobs by the law and aren't politically motivated. Could there be some who are over zealous? Sure just as some cops are. As for hiding outside of court houses, if the police would make arrangements to turn them over in a controlled situation I'm sure the vast majority of ICE agents would prefer that but the democrats would rather make a show than cooperate and make the exchange safer for all parties.

 

[TerryP]

A very well known podcaster and streamer was detained and held and asked about political beliefs when he arrived back from France (according to him), so going on what an actual person said.

I know a little about this story. I read about it Sunday or Monday which also means I read it on a foreign news web site. My gut tells me it was BBC.

A few thoughts:

• People are stopped and questioned all the time. That has to be considered.
• I remember he claimed they knew who he was. Maybe.
• I remember him commenting about how well he was treated.

One thing about the article I found interesting was they referred to him as "Pro-Gaza." It's a new descriptor I found a bit odd. I don't think it's arguable that both Palestinians and Israelite's want Gaza to be successful and peaceful.

In the state I’m currently in they (ICE) are not allowed inside the courthouses (state law), so they hide outside and wait, there’s no disputing that whatsoever. Apprehend a criminal…..funny thing criminals have criminal warrants not administrative, which is why most agencies can’t hold people for ICE, they drag the process a bit for release to see if ICE will come, but they cannot be held specifically for that again there’s disputing that whatsoever.

A state law that prohibits a federal law enforcement officer from entering a government building. That makes no sense, at all. Has the DOJ brought a case?

You are touching on something. Administrative warrants don't allow them to enter private places: public or government are lawful.

Think about this for a second. Hypothetical, right? Here's Julio. He's here illegally. ICE agents know this and there is an order of removal because he's been through his due process with immigration officials. He sees an ICE agent...and runs in the courthouse to hide.

It's pretty easy to see the absurdity there.

To top that off, people are wondering why these agents are "hiding?"

Let’s look at it this way, while I agree with something had to be done at the border and that despicable criminals should not be here, I 1000% disagree with ICE raiding some house to snatch up Grandma and detaining with absolutely no due process.

Here's where you've lost me. It's a hypothetical example that goes against what you just mentioned: administrative. They can't just walk in and snatch Grandma up. If she steps out of the house everything goes back to square one: she's here illegally.

I'd wager when things like this happen others are being swept up as the result of being with someone that needs removal. IE: One of the raids they conducted on a night club recently.

Continuing with your scenario.

Abuela gets swept up. She meets an immigration official. Let's say there's two answers she has to being in the States.

• She was part of a Christian relief effort in El Savador that's been persecuted.
• She is from Bolivia and they came here and stayed.

She probably gets deported in one situation, stays in the other. But, the point is meeting with that immigration official is the process she's due.

What's crazy here is Abuela could have entered the country legally, met with an immigration official and told them they were planning on becoming citizens and working...and she'd never been in that place, in the first place.

As citizens, are we not due immigrants following the process?

I bet you agree with this administration or I should say some within it of suspending habeas corpus to?

It was a presser with Stephen Miller where that first came up, right? I remember it hitting the news cycle for a 24 hour stretch or so. I don't recall reading about it the last few days. That leads me to believe it was more of a troll. We've seen "a few" of those the last few months.

On that subject and whether I agree or disagree. It's an interesting subject considering the sheer volume of people allowed in the last four years. Since I considered it a troll I really haven't thought much about the subject.

I'll muse for a second ...

How long would it take for the illegal immigrants that entered the country on one day to stand before a judge? We had day where there were over 10K.

If we split that into Monday through Friday, on Monday they'd need to see 2000 people. A judge seeing 100 a day...it would take five months to see one day's worth of illegal immigrants.

Let's exercise some logic here...a judge versus an immigration official. Which would be more efficient?

If we go "judge" that automatically means one of two things. Either the court system in its current state is slowed to a snails pace. Or, if we end up with a larger government/judicial system.

Here's what I find rich. Where did this start? It started with judges making rulings hampering the federal government from deporting illegal aliens. What makes it especially rich is these judges, granted federal, are over a district and are implementing rulings effecting the nation. Not only are they over stepping their jurisdiction, they are circumventing government officials from upholding the Constitution by deporting illegal aliens.

Now, if I understand you correctly, people are upset at the suggestion of suspending habeus corpus because it's unconstitutional while it's a suggestion in reaction to rulings are are unconstitutional?

 

[TerryP]

A crazy reaction to Americans being detained……and I bet suspending habeas corpus is a good thing too since your Gestapo leader thinks so?

I'm trying empathy out for a second.

Imagining myself in your shoes:

• Have a discussion
• Throw names in a conversation and continue to act foolishly.

I believe you are better than this. I question myself on more than one thing in life.

 

[footballer]

When detained, are peoples asked to show documentation that they came across the border legally?
If they can't prove they crossed legally, then they are deported. Right?

 

[Krimson]

I'm trying empathy out for a second.

Imagining myself in your shoes:

• Have a discussion
• Throw names in a conversation and continue to act foolishly.

I believe you are better than this. I question myself on more than one thing in life.

The left calls names because they can't win in a real debate on policies.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I don't agree with any actual US citizen being detained without reasonable suspicion. I also disagree with the status quo that the US constitution applies to illegal immigrants. I see nothing wrong with immediate deportation of people who are here illegally. What is the cost to taxpayers to house and try the millions of illegal immigrants?
The constitution allows for different rules for check points within a hundred miles of the border. I've been through several and never have I been asked my political beliefs or unlawfully detained. I firmly believe that the majority of ICE agents are doing their jobs by the law and aren't politically motivated. Could there be some who are over zealous? Sure just as some cops are. As for hiding outside of court houses, if the police would make arrangements to turn them over in a controlled situation I'm sure the vast majority of ICE agents would prefer that but the democrats would rather make a show than cooperate and make the exchange safer for all parties.

You don’t have to agree with it, but that doesn’t change the the fact that it has happened. The constitution does apply, they all deserve due process.

Police can’t make arrangements to turn them over to ICE, ICE detention warrants are administrative not criminal warrants. The “democrats” thing is rather old, the state I previously lived in is the most conservative state in the country and the county of the state I live in now is predominantly red and they have the same laws as CA or any democrat place.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I know a little about this story. I read about it Sunday or Monday which also means I read it on a foreign news web site. My gut tells me it was BBC.

A few thoughts:

• People are stopped and questioned all the time. That has to be considered.
• I remember he claimed they knew who he was. Maybe.
• I remember him commenting about how well he was treated.

One thing about the article I found interesting was they referred to him as "Pro-Gaza." It's a new descriptor I found a bit odd. I don't think it's arguable that both Palestinians and Israelite's want Gaza to be successful and peaceful.

A state law that prohibits a federal law enforcement officer from entering a government building. That makes no sense, at all. Has the DOJ brought a case?

You are touching on something. Administrative warrants don't allow them to enter private places: public or government are lawful.

Think about this for a second. Hypothetical, right? Here's Julio. He's here illegally. ICE agents know this and there is an order of removal because he's been through his due process with immigration officials. He sees an ICE agent...and runs in the courthouse to hide.

It's pretty easy to see the absurdity there.

To top that off, people are wondering why these agents are "hiding?"

Here's where you've lost me. It's a hypothetical example that goes against what you just mentioned: administrative. They can't just walk in and snatch Grandma up. If she steps out of the house everything goes back to square one: she's here illegally.

I'd wager when things like this happen others are being swept up as the result of being with someone that needs removal. IE: One of the raids they conducted on a night club recently.

Continuing with your scenario.

Abuela gets swept up. She meets an immigration official. Let's say there's two answers she has to being in the States.

• She was part of a Christian relief effort in El Savador that's been persecuted.
• She is from Bolivia and they came here and stayed.

She probably gets deported in one situation, stays in the other. But, the point is meeting with that immigration official is the process she's due.

What's crazy here is Abuela could have entered the country legally, met with an immigration official and told them they were planning on becoming citizens and working...and she'd never been in that place, in the first place.

As citizens, are we not due immigrants following the process?

It was a presser with Stephen Miller where that first came up, right? I remember it hitting the news cycle for a 24 hour stretch or so. I don't recall reading about it the last few days. That leads me to believe it was more of a troll. We've seen "a few" of those the last few months.

On that subject and whether I agree or disagree. It's an interesting subject considering the sheer volume of people allowed in the last four years. Since I considered it a troll I really haven't thought much about the subject.

I'll muse for a second ...

How long would it take for the illegal immigrants that entered the country on one day to stand before a judge? We had day where there were over 10K.

If we split that into Monday through Friday, on Monday they'd need to see 2000 people. A judge seeing 100 a day...it would take five months to see one day's worth of illegal immigrants.

Let's exercise some logic here...a judge versus an immigration official. Which would be more efficient?

If we go "judge" that automatically means one of two things. Either the court system in its current state is slowed to a snails pace. Or, if we end up with a larger government/judicial system.

Here's what I find rich. Where did this start? It started with judges making rulings hampering the federal government from deporting illegal aliens. What makes it especially rich is these judges, granted federal, are over a district and are implementing rulings effecting the nation. Not only are they over stepping their jurisdiction, they are circumventing government officials from upholding the Constitution by deporting illegal aliens.

Now, if I understand you correctly, people are upset at the suggestion of suspending habeus corpus because it's unconstitutional while it's a suggestion in reaction to rulings are are unconstitutional?

I’m not going to get into the Gaza thing, that’ll get down a road that isn’t on subject.

A state law that doesn’t allow them to go into a state courthouse. I figured you’d agree with the states making their own state laws since you agreed with the state’s rights thing when it came to abortion.

Him running into the courthouse to get away from the agents is different than being in the courthouse and agents hiding and waiting for him or entering the courthouse to question people. Somebody running into the courthouse while running from ICE is different than what I’m talking about.

There’s a reason agents are banging on doors and needing people to either answer the door or they’re waiting for them to leave the house. Sorry I didn’t mean to imply that they were kicking doors in or anything. What is important here is that they don’t have CRIMINAL warrants which is why they can’t just no knock and kick the door in. One thing I find odd is according to people they’re “illegal” immigrants but they don’t have CRIMINAL warrants.

The Habeas question was a yes or no question, doesn’t take much thought to know whether you agree with getting rid of it or not.

Judges aren’t hampering anything, they’re putting checks and balances just as they’re supposed to, without those checks and balances then this administration or any administration could just do whatever they want and there would be nothing anybody can do.

Again the habeas question is a simple yes or no. Do you agree it should gotten rid of? Yes or no?

Judges aren’t the bad guys. Speaking of rich, you’ve stated your like of the current SCOTUS make up while disapproving of judges that rule against this administration.

 

[Krimson]

You don’t have to agree with it, but that doesn’t change the the fact that it has happened. The constitution does apply, they all deserve due process.

Police can’t make arrangements to turn them over to ICE, ICE detention warrants are administrative not criminal warrants. The “democrats” thing is rather old, the state I previously lived in is the most conservative state in the country and the county of the state I live in now is predominantly red and they have the same laws as CA or any democrat place.

I was responding to your statement that you bet suspending habeas corpus was a good thing when I said I didn't agree with it. I'm aware my opinion of the law doesn't matter, it's the law.
Media reports of American citizens being unlawfully detained are varied depending on which slant they have so if there is a way to verify your claim I'm unable to find it.
If due process isn't being afforded, why did the Supreme Court allow the deportations to continue using the Alien Enemies Act?

 

[ElephantStomp]

I was responding to your statement that you bet suspending habeas corpus was a good thing when I said I didn't agree with it. I'm aware my opinion of the law doesn't matter, it's the law.
Media reports of American citizens being unlawfully detained are varied depending on which slant they have so if there is a way to verify your claim I'm unable to find it.
If due process isn't being afforded, why did the Supreme Court allow the deportations to continue using the Alien Enemies Act?

Ah yes the ol “slanted” claim. I don’t imagine you’ll find negative stuff about this administration on right slanted media.

I know of 5 American citizens who were born here that were detained by ICE outside a courthouse where my girlfriend works (she’s no bleeding heart, left winger I assure you).

SCOTUS blocked the administration from doing so. Supreme Court blocks Trump attempt to use Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants | Fox News Just so you can’t say I’m using “slanted” or “liberal” sources

 

[Rsedge72]

Y’all are missing point!!!!

It’s Trump so it’s wrong!!!

No idea what’s really going on, but it’s Trumps policies and Trumps admin so there’s no arguing with someone who would literally claim eating dogshit is good to eat because Trump said it wasn’t….

 

[ElephantStomp]

Y’all are missing point!!!!

It’s Trump so it’s wrong!!!

No idea what’s really going on, but it’s Trumps policies and Trumps admin so there’s no arguing with someone who would literally claim eating dogshit is good to eat because Trump said it wasn’t….

Well no shit it’s his policies and his admin we think is wrong you know since he’s the resident in the White House and it’s his policies that started this……just the same as when the last administration was in office and y’all thought everything he/they did was wrong…..

 

[64Tide]

It was. JB did not do one thing that benefited the US taxpayer/citizens.

 

[ElephantStomp]

It was. JB did not do one thing that benefited the US taxpayer/citizens.

Well President Felon’s approval rating after 100 days is double digits below Biden and Obama and W after their first 100 days. But, I bet you’ll say he’s done a great job for Americans this far even even a majority of the country disapproves of his job this far. But, I hope he continues doing the great job you think he and the conservative controlled Congress has been doing because come midterms dems will take control of Congress then. So, go Trump and Congress!!