📡 The continuing fallout from Nassar at Michigan State.

[TerryP]

And again, it's not their business. I swear it appears to me they just want their name on the front pages so people will see "the NCAA is ..."

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"The NCAA has sent a letter of inquiry to Michigan State University regarding potential NCAA rules violations related to the assaults Larry Nassar perpetrated against girls and young women, including some student-athletes at Michigan State," the NCAA said in a statement released Tuesday night. "We will have no further comment at this time."​

NCAA investigating MSU's handling of Nassar

One might be able to argue Title IX violations here BUT these young ladies weren't a part of the MSU student body so I can't see how that would apply.

Now, if you want a "dumb ass" you've got one in the trustee at Michigan State when asked about the NCAA looking into this story:

“To do what?” Ferguson said. “This is not Penn State. They were dealing with their football program. They’re smart enough to know they’re not competent to walk in here on this.”​

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He's got a point when he mentions they were dealing with the football program--one that's under the oversight of the NCAA. USA Gymnastics? No.

The NCAA is a wonky organization with a big rulebook that does a good job running championship tournaments and occasionally busting a coach for petty rules violations or a player for taking money from a booster. Expecting the NCAA to do anything else, at this point, and you’re only asking for trouble.​

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If the conduct of a university doesn’t fit into an NCAA bylaw, it’s just not going to amount to much — no matter how bad that conduct might be. Perhaps there’s something the NCAA can dig up that makes a connection between Nassar getting away with years of assaults and Michigan State gaining some kind of competitive advantage.​

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NCAA ill equipped to do anything about Michigan State's handling of Larry Nassar​

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FWIW, the highest finish in program history for Sparty's ladies is 17th in 2008. If there's a competitive advantage, they certainly aren't using it well.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Sometimes I get the feeling that the NCAA just shows up for appearance sake. I don't see how their bylaws ever put them in a constructive position to do much about it. But the especially grieves nature of some of the things going on campus these days, especially around all this supposed adult supervision, probably motivates them to at least put in an appearance.

 

[TerryP]

probably motivates them to at least put in an appearance.

In a loose sense a lot like those who favor gun control showing up at every tragedy?

I don't put a lot of value in what Jay Bilas has to say. Seeing him try to equate the NCAA looking into extra benefits for players and then trying to draw a comparison, or question, why they don't look into this any more? Oh, and we're setting aside "this isn't an NCAA case," but never mind that.



And, by the way, I don't follow Jay Bilas much, if at all, other than things he's said that find their way into "shares." I don't want to see him quoting some song each morning to start his day--nothing against his music choices. I stopped following him because of that...'bout like stopping following Rush Mitchell and some others because they thought the world needed their opinions on movies and TV shows instead of sports.

 

[TUSKtimes]

In a loose sense a lot like those who favor gun control showing up at every tragedy?

I don't put a lot of value in what Jay Bilas has to say. Seeing him try to equate the NCAA looking into extra benefits for players and then trying to draw a comparison, or question, why they don't look into this any more? Oh, and we're setting aside "this isn't an NCAA case," but never mind that.



And, by the way, I don't follow Jay Bilas much, if at all, other than things he's said that find their way into "shares." I don't want to see him quoting some song each morning to start his day--nothing against his music choices. I stopped following him because of that...'bout like stopping following Rush Mitchell and some others because they thought the world needed their opinions on movies and TV shows instead of sports.

Bilas has been on an extreme anti-NCAA rant for years now. Highly critical of pretty much any move they make or more accurately, any move he feels they should make. Society has, in turn, invented different tools for different problems of life and they don't all fall under the NCAA domain just because they happened on campus or by a campus employee.

 

[OldPlayer]

Nassar was the team physician at Michigan State for the women's gymnastics and crew teams. Therefore, if he abused any athlete during his time at that role it becomes a Title IX issue.

 

[TerryP]

Nassar was the team physician at Michigan State for the women's gymnastics and crew teams. Therefore, if he abused any athlete during his time at that role it becomes a Title IX issue.

If he abused any Michigan State athlete it could become a Title IX issue and that would require it being filed at the University, would it not? That's one of the reasons I mentioned it could be argued it was a Title IX. To my knowledge there hasn't been any accusations from a member of a MSU athletic team.

Still, not a NCAA issue: it's criminal courts.

I've used the term symbolism over substance more often than I could count and here's another example of it fitting the actions of the NCAA. In past cases the NCAA has maintained a level of secrecy when it came to Letters of Inquiry. Now, with this case, it is announced via the NY Times?

 

[planomateo]

Honestly after reading this, I'd be perfectly ok with Nassar being slowly tortured for the next 2 weeks.

What the hell was Michigan State thinking. Someone needs to hold the university accountable for this...it isn't the NCAA.

 

[TerryP]

Nassar was the team physician at Michigan State for the women's gymnastics and crew teams. Therefore, if he abused any athlete during his time at that role it becomes a Title IX issue.

If he abused any Michigan State athlete it could become a Title IX issue

Four Michigan State University athletes told Outside The Lines they informed coaches or trainers at the school about the "invasive methods" of former MSU and USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar in the 1990s.

On Tuesday, John Barr and Dan Murphy of ESPN The Magazine provided findings from the OTL investigation, including comments from Tiffany Thomas Lopez, a Spartans softball player who spoke with three trainers and their supervisor, Destiny Teachnor-Hauk, about Nassar in 1998.

There you have it...

 

[BamaFisher]

The most haunting statement I read in that was the parent of one of the girls is still getting billed by the University for the “treatment” she received. Wtf Michigan State?!?

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

From the article

Michigan State employed Nassar, the disgraced doctor who has admitted to sexually assaulting athletes when he was employed by the Spartans and USA Gymnastics, including some at his office at the East Lansing, Michigan-based school.

The fact that it happened on their campus makes it an NCAA issue even if they were not students there. Didn't Penn State's issues kind of revolve around that same kind of thing?

 

[OldPlayer]

From the article

Michigan State employed Nassar, the disgraced doctor who has admitted to sexually assaulting athletes when he was employed by the Spartans and USA Gymnastics, including some at his office at the East Lansing, Michigan-based school.

The fact that it happened on their campus makes it an NCAA issue even if they were not students there. Didn't Penn State's issues kind of revolve around that same kind of thing?

Penn State's issue was Sandusky molesting minors, not students. If Nassar was molesting students, specifically female student-athletes, it's a Title IX issue.

 

[planomateo]

The National Collegiate Athletic Association is a non-profit organization which regulates athletes of 1,281 institutions, conferences, and individuals.

 

[Yahoo Sports - NCAA Football News]

Michigan State President Lou Anna Simon submitted her resignation Wednesday amid an outcry over the school's handling of allegations against Larry Nassar. The announcement that Simon was stepping down came hours after the sentencing of Nassar , who worked at Michigan State as a doctor and received 40 to 175 years in prison for molesting young girls and women under the guise of medical treatment. Several of the 150-plus victims who spoke at the hearing were former athletes at the school, and many victims accused the university of mishandling past complaints about Nassar.

Continue reading...

 

[bamachine]

What the NCAA should do is just to allow any gymnast or rower to transfer without penalty. After that, let the courts handle it.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Michigan State could’ve stopped it and did nothing. MSU is part of the NCAA therefor I’m of the opinion that MSU should be and needs to be held accountable as an institution.

 

[TerryP]

The fact that it happened on their campus makes it an NCAA issue even if they were not students there. Didn't Penn State's issues kind of revolve around that same kind of thing?

Michigan State could’ve stopped it and did nothing. MSU is part of the NCAA therefor I’m of the opinion that MSU should be and needs to be held accountable as an institution.

It's not a NCAA issue. Just like Penn State wasn't a NCAA issue.

The NCAA stepped in with Penn State and claimed it was their issue ONLY to be sued and the sanctions that the NCAA handed down were revoked. The reason they were revoked and the NCAA settled out of court was ... it wasn't a NCAA issue.

It IS a Title IX case, no doubt. When this story broke I didn't know if there were any MSU students involved but according to the report (linked below) more than a few.

Penn State's issue was Sandusky molesting minors, not students. If Nassar was molesting students, specifically female student-athletes, it's a Title IX issue.

In the post a few up from here there's a quote I pasted citing there were four Michigan State students who were abused by Nassar. One of these students testified that she'd brought it up to MSU with no result. That's exactly what Title IX is written to cover...making sure each student gets an equal voice in situations like this one. Her (their) Title IX rights were violated.

More than 160 women say Larry Nassar sexually abused them. Here are his accusers in their own words.

 

[alagator]

Here's a question to think about if you're one of those saying the NCAA needs to step in.

Let's assume they did and handed down sanctions on MSU. Which program are they sanctioning here?

 

[planomateo]

This whole thing is further proof that investigative reporting still exists and is valuable to society. Kudo's to the Indystar for exposing this.

Out of Balance: An IndyStar investigation into USA Gymnastic

 

[TUSKtimes]

And because it is a Title IX case the university president was dust. I suspect she won't be the last one on guard to pay the price.

 

[bamachine]

More bad news for the MSU admin...

Feds to MSU: Oversight will not end early