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It seems the 'Bama family has pretty much been divided into two camps concerning one of the players on the team.

It has been this way since his first game as a starter. To start with, according to the experts, his hair was too pretty, he wasn't tough enough, his parents were too well off for him to amount to anything, he didn't have the will or spirit of a person from a less fortunate economic background, etc...

Very rarely was any objectivity used when analyzing his play. Many fans didn't believe that other players on the offense had jobs to do on offense, it was all up to the QB. From the first time on the field it seemed as if irrational fans expected him to carry the team on his back with virtually no help that all other successful QB's rely on.

Despite less that perfect, way less than perfect, conditions for a QB during 90 percent of his time on the field, he has persevered through insults and shame and survived and written his name into 'Bama history books over and over again.

The best QB is always, always on the bench and all that has to be done is to plug him into the game and as the poor, little nervous news announcer said, "boom goes the dynamite".

Constant droning on about how Wilson needs to win the game, Wilson needs to step up, Wilson needs to physically shove NT's out of the way to make room for running backs is the part and parcel of the "QB's are the only player on the team" fanatics. By whining so much they feel they are correcting mistakes that the coach or coaches are too dumb to correct on their own.

That is one view.

The other set of fans, like myself, believe that he has made mistakes. He has made some costly mistakes. He has made some pretty big goof-ups that have cost us some pretty big games. It was painful. But, you stand with him.

He hasn't complained about the mind numbing, stupefying, horrifying play of a porous offensive line that just didn't seem to have the proper training or didn't give a damn.

He didn't complain about WR's who just as soon as not would not follow through on patterns and also just didn't seem to give a damn half of the time.

Crippling hit after crippling hit he would get up and go right back to the slaughter mill and wait for the next Mack truck to bury him. Every once in a while he would throw an interception or fumble, it was almost as if he were a human being.

Running backs were not part of the game plan and he never had one to rely on that could take more than 2 steps without falling on his face.

Different year, different offensive coordinator. Different year, different style of QB'ing being taught to him, always changing.

Now, he seems to be doing a bit better. Of course it has nothing to do with the team being better, but only that Wilson finally just decided he would do right. Some of us have been frustrated with his play at times but didn't run to message boards or run our mouths at work and among friends about how every single weak spot on the 'Bama team over these last couple of years have been the fault of the QB.

That is the difference between the two sets of fans and how they feel about our QB. Some couldn't determine that a QB does not make a team on his own and wanted immediate satisfaction and new blood at the QB spot. Little did these tunnel vision types realize that no QB would have thrived at 'Bama, none. They didn't have time to think about this before speaking.

Now, as the team is doing better, the QB is doing better and everyone wants to jump on the old "everything is okay now" train, Wilson just needs to "step up" and keep it going.

Now they have nice little pointers to offer that are going to help Wilson continue to perform up to their expectations because they can see that he may now have a bit of potential. They imagine that he just miraculously became better; they think the team is just the same as always but the QB finally decided to fly right.

Now, whenever he has a nice game, you can see them say things like "he needs to keep it up" or "it's all up to Wilson if we win the game or not", etc...

They want to get behind him somewhat, but they can't wholeheartedly because they still feel that he has been the problem these last two years and at any second he will revert back to being a loser. They really aren't quick enough to realize that the team is better now so the QB actually has options and can concentrate on his duties like all QB's are supposed to be able to do.

They have it made either way. If Wilson screws up, it is a "I told you" so scenario that they can lay out there and seem smugly arrogant. If he does good, then they have the "he should have been doing it all along" statements to hide behind.

Here is my suggestion. This is his last year, he is the QB, we support the team and we should ALL support the QB during hard times and good times and quit all the what if this or what if that's. Give him some credit while you are pointing out all of his past problems so that you will seem fair and seem reasonable.

Most of all, let's support the whole team and all the players on the team and become the powerful fan base that 'Bama fans once were.
 
I think you may have confused us with another Alabama site. That, or it's taken you since last year's LSU game to craft a response.

RTR,

Tim
 
An opposing point of view

Let me be the first to say that this is my first post.

I have been a lurker for some time and I enjoy the relative intelligence that most posters show.

In regards to the OP's post on JPW, I have a few thoughts.

1. He is QB #1 at bama. That means he deserves all the glory and all the hell that comes with the job.

2. He is a "servicable" qb IMHO. Look at his record as a starter. That is the measuring stick.

3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

4. I will support him as QB #1 as CNS thinks he deserves to occupy that position.

5. I think he has to opportunity to rewrite his career path starting with a solid game this weekend. By all apperances, this game is/will be the biggest game he has played up to this point.

6. My question is this. Can he step up and IMPROVE, or does he continue to make the same mistakes he has made in past BIG GAMES???
 
CtrlAltieDel said:
A long post

It will all show this weekend. Del, as for fans that's what we do. It was not different when Brodie was a player, or Tyler Watts, Jay Barker or Fat Freddie. All the B.S. you see and don't comes with being the starting QB at ALABAMA period. If you want a cake walk team go play for barn. :wink:

Fact JPW has improved, but the offensive line has improved a lot more since last year. You can't have one with out the other. Be happy where 4-0!
 
Re: An opposing point of view

mexican assassin said:
Let me be the first to say that this is my first post.

I have been a lurker for some time and I enjoy the relative intelligence that most posters show.

In regards to the OP's post on JPW, I have a few thoughts.

1. He is QB #1 at bama. That means he deserves all the glory and all the hell that comes with the job.

2. He is a "servicable" qb IMHO. Look at his record as a starter. That is the measuring stick.

3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

4. I will support him as QB #1 as CNS thinks he deserves to occupy that position.

5. I think he has to opportunity to rewrite his career path starting with a solid game this weekend. By all apperances, this game is/will be the biggest game he has played up to this point.

6. My question is this. Can he step up and IMPROVE, or does he continue to make the same mistakes he has made in past BIG GAMES???


Dude with a first post like that......I can't wait to see you in some of the more heated discussions. Great screen name too. Welcome to the board and post often!!!
 
It Takes Eleven said:
I think you may have confused us with another Alabama site. That, or it's taken you since last year's LSU game to craft a response.

RTR,

Tim

No, Tim, it only took about 15 minutes to create the post. Also, if you will notice, I didn't accuse anyone on this board of doing anything or acting in any way. If someone jumps to conclusions, that is their conscience talking, not me.

I was addressing fans of 'Bama and what seems to be two different viewpoints that are widely held.
 
Re: An opposing point of view

mexican assassin said:
Let me be the first to say that this is my first post.

I have been a lurker for some time and I enjoy the relative intelligence that most posters show.

In regards to the OP's post on JPW, I have a few thoughts.

1. He is QB #1 at bama.

True.

2. He is a "servicable" qb IMHO. Look at his record as a starter. That is the measuring stick.

Very good statistics considering what he's had to work with left over from Shula regime.

3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

Simply not true from the 1st game of the season.

4. I will support him as QB #1 as CNS thinks he deserves to occupy that position.

Thanks for your STRONG support.

5. I think he has to opportunity to rewrite his career path starting with a solid game this weekend. By all apperances, this game is/will be the biggest game he has played up to this point.

I agree with this.

6. My question is this. Can he step up and IMPROVE, or does he continue to make the same mistakes he has made in past BIG GAMES???

Yes, always room for improvement and must make veteran decisions this weekend in order to pull off a win vs a very good Ga team.
 
Re: An opposing point of view

mexican assassin said:
Let me be the first to say that this is my first post.

I have been a lurker for some time and I enjoy the relative intelligence that most posters show.

In regards to the OP's post on JPW, I have a few thoughts.

1. He is QB #1 at bama. That means he deserves all the glory and all the hell that comes with the job.

2. He is a "servicable" qb IMHO. Look at his record as a starter. That is the measuring stick.

3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

4. I will support him as QB #1 as CNS thinks he deserves to occupy that position.

5. I think he has to opportunity to rewrite his career path starting with a solid game this weekend. By all apperances, this game is/will be the biggest game he has played up to this point.

6. My question is this. Can he step up and IMPROVE, or does he continue to make the same mistakes he has made in past BIG GAMES???

Hello Mexican Assassin, welcome to the board. You believe that Wilson needs to step up and IMPROVE. You believe he doesn't need to make the same mistakes that have cost 'Bama games in the past.

You believe he has a tendency to make the same mistakes, such as allowing 4.5 forty freight trains to crack vertebrae in his back as they rush in unblocked.

He should knock the linebackers on their backside when they plow into him 1.1 seconds after the ball is snapped.

When, after being flushed and rushed and sacked and harassed 40 times in a game, a fumble or an interception on one of those plays is his fault and his alone. He should have made something happen before his 1.1 seconds were up.

You believe he has a tendency to make the same mistakes while failing to mention that 9 out of 11 players on offense made the same mistakes that led to the same results on possession after possession in game after game for two years in a row.

I really don't think he is a great QB. I really don't have a need to see him in the game or play at all. If we had a QB that could have overcome the handicaps he had placed upon him, some coach was an absolute fool not to play him when it would have meant more victories.

Glaring hypocrisy is what I am pointing out. I am pointing out the fans who refuse to admit that the whole team has sucked. The ones who now feel like they are going to approve of Wilson now that he and the team are doing a bit better.

The fans who now wish to give their approval to him, yet still fail to recognize that he is doing marginally better because the team is leaps and bounds ahead of where they have been in past years.

Those types of fans and supporters are nauseating to me.
 
3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

Simply not true from the 1st game of the season.

(OP refers to JPW's career...as do I) :)
 
mexican assassin said:
3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

Simply not true from the 1st game of the season.

(OP refers to JPW's career...as do I) :)

He has not done some of the stupid stuff that he did in the past. When he misses receivers now, he has been overthrowing where nobody could catch it - instead of throwing the ball into triple coverage and throwing it short.
 
mexican assassin said:
3. He has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. Again, IMHO, that is not improving.

Simply not true from the 1st game of the season.

(OP refers to JPW's career...as do I) :)

Just as the whole offense has shown a tendency to make the same mistakes. The OP is wondering if you understand that.

The OP is interested in knowing if you can acknowledge that while he isn't the best QB, not by any means, he hasn't been on the best team or had the best supporting cast by his side.
 
Crippling hit after crippling hit he would get up and go right back to the slaughter mill and wait for the next Mack truck to bury him. Every once in a while he would throw an interception or fumble, it was almost as if he were a human being.

If he could read blitzs this would not happen so often. Having said that, I like him. I think he is a tough competitor. I think McElwain has him going in the right direction. Only time will tell.
 
mexican assassin said:
I read the topic as......

Support your QB or dry up

Unfortunately you have taken the subject header too literally, that is my mistake. I apologize to all posters on RBR if they assumed I was directly talking about them.

The post was meant to be more of a generalization.
 
Red_Tsunami said:
Crippling hit after crippling hit he would get up and go right back to the slaughter mill and wait for the next Mack truck to bury him. Every once in a while he would throw an interception or fumble, it was almost as if he were a human being.

If he could read blitzs this would not happen so often. Having said that, I like him. I think he is a tough competitor. I think McElwain has him going in the right direction. Only time will tell.

He also holds onto the ball to long at times, but he, along with the OL, has improved in that area a lot this season.
 
I think that he has matured a lot as a QB this year, as a 5th year senior in his third year as a starter should. As a soph he tended to hold onto the ball too long, getting sacked when he could have unloaded the ball to an empty spot on the field. This was much less of a problem last year, and has not been an issue this season, so far. As a junior he had a tendency at times to throw into coverage. I don't know if he just wasn't reading the coverage or thought he could beat it. Again, this year, with the exception of the int versus WKU this has not been an issue. While JPW's passing stats may not be glamorous so far, he has avoided drive killing sacks and turnovers, and kept us in manageable down and distance situations. He hasn't had a great game throwing the ball yet this season, but I am confident that he will. Perhaps Saturday will be the day.
 
Red_Tsunami said:
Crippling hit after crippling hit he would get up and go right back to the slaughter mill and wait for the next Mack truck to bury him. Every once in a while he would throw an interception or fumble, it was almost as if he were a human being.

If he could read blitzs this would not happen so often. Having said that, I like him. I think he is a tough competitor. I think McElwain has him going in the right direction. Only time will tell.

Sure, Red Tsunami, I can see your point. The good thing about that is that he should be a certified expert at reading blitzes by this point.
 
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