🏈 Remember hearing about OU's Joe Mixon punching a girl?

[XXL TideFan]

ESPN just reported that he will play in their bowl game.

 

[sean]

playing devil's advocate here!!!

for those that say you should never hit a woman....

what if that woman hit you first? and i'm not talking about a shove. i'm talking about a closed-fist punch. she rares back, closes her hand into a fist, and punches you with some pretty good force. would you stand there and take it? would you do nothing? and i'm not speaking of reasons why she hit you, just the fact that she hit you. would you retaliate in kind?

also.....

for years we were all taught, in one manner or another, that women were the weaker sex. whether it was through slick advertising, the way the world was at the time, the way we were raised, or whatever; it's just the way it was. men went out into the world and did the work, while women stayed home and kept the house in order. but in today's every-changing, pc-encapsulated world, women are more and more becoming equal to men. i personally don't think it's there yet, but it's getting better.

so to those of you who say you should never hit a woman, is it because you still think, on some subconscious level, that women are the weaker sex? i know it's how most of us were raised. i was actually raised and taught by my mother that you don't hit anyone unless they deserve it.....even if it's a woman. you don't let anyone put their hands on you in anger and you do nothing, even if it's a woman.

again, playing devil's advocate with the above text!!!




watching the video, you can clearly see she initiated contact. first she shoved him, then she slapped him (albeit not a very good slap, but still). she shoves him, he does the playground bully jump, she slaps him, he takes her down with one punch.

now his retaliation, to me, is justified. SHE initiated contact, twice, before he ever retaliated. BUT, the manner and level of his retaliation is not justified. defending yourself is never a bad thing. every person has the right to defend themselves. but restraint must be shown at times. for this act, the level of retaliation went way beyond the initial contact.

and something else that will get me to NOT defend him for his actions......he ran away like a little bitch after he hit her. if you're gonna be a man and hit someone, then you need to a real man and stand there and deal with the consequences, no matter what they are.

and i'm sure this post will piss off a lot of people. and that is truly not my intention. i just always tend to look at both sides of most things and ask myself questions from both angles. and if it does piss you off, that's fine. you have every right to disagree with me and even argue with me. we're not perfect and we all don't always agree with what everyone else says. otherwise, it'd be a very boring world.


and that tweet by brett mcmurphy? that's just classless right there.

 

[BamaFan334]

playing devil's advocate here!!!

for those that say you should never hit a woman....

what if that woman hit you first? and i'm not talking about a shove. i'm talking about a closed-fist punch. she rares back, closes her hand into a fist, and punches you with some pretty good force. would you stand there and take it? would you do nothing? and i'm not speaking of reasons why she hit you, just the fact that she hit you. would you retaliate in kind?

also.....

for years we were all taught, in one manner or another, that women were the weaker sex. whether it was through slick advertising, the way the world was at the time, the way we were raised, or whatever; it's just the way it was. men went out into the world and did the work, while women stayed home and kept the house in order. but in today's every-changing, pc-encapsulated world, women are more and more becoming equal to men. i personally don't think it's there yet, but it's getting better.

so to those of you who say you should never hit a woman, is it because you still think, on some subconscious level, that women are the weaker sex? i know it's how most of us were raised. i was actually raised and taught by my mother that you don't hit anyone unless they deserve it.....even if it's a woman. you don't let anyone put their hands on you in anger and you do nothing, even if it's a woman.

again, playing devil's advocate with the above text!!!




watching the video, you can clearly see she initiated contact. first she shoved him, then she slapped him (albeit not a very good slap, but still). she shoves him, he does the playground bully jump, she slaps him, he takes her down with one punch.

now his retaliation, to me, is justified. SHE initiated contact, twice, before he ever retaliated. BUT, the manner and level of his retaliation is not justified. defending yourself is never a bad thing. every person has the right to defend themselves. but restraint must be shown at times. for this act, the level of retaliation went way beyond the initial contact.

and something else that will get me to NOT defend him for his actions......he ran away like a little bitch after he hit her. if you're gonna be a man and hit someone, then you need to a real man and stand there and deal with the consequences, no matter what they are.

and i'm sure this post will piss off a lot of people. and that is truly not my intention. i just always tend to look at both sides of most things and ask myself questions from both angles. and if it does piss you off, that's fine. you have every right to disagree with me and even argue with me. we're not perfect and we all don't always agree with what everyone else says. otherwise, it'd be a very boring world.


and that tweet by brett mcmurphy? that's just classless right there.

Yeah, he could easily have subdued her. He could have walked away. I get you're playing devil's advocate, but she didn't haul off and hit him like you're describing. $50 says he's had a girlfriend mess with him worse than that. You know, this is the problem with society today, no morals. Sure, she shouldn't have made contact with him, but two wrongs don't make a right. At some point, be a freaking man and realize you are not in harms way. If she pulled a gun, sure, light her up, but a blue chip athlete isn't worrying about a college chick taking him out at a restaurant. This is a situation of a guy that has no morals, he reacted poorly, and was let off easily due to being a college athlete. He hasn't gotten jack shit for punishment like Ray Rice. You fuck up, you pay the price. Now, if that were my daughter, the price he'd pay would be dealing with me and his life would forever be altered after everything calmed down.

The whole women want to be equal argument isn't from a muscle to muscle standpoint, it's more from an equality standpoint where they are just as smart as men and can handle business so they feel they deserve opportunties and equal pay. They aren't screaming they should be playing college football and can lift as many weights as a five star recruit. So that argument doesn't sit well with me, because I don't think they mean they can stand toe to toe in a fight, the MMA octagon, or in the weight room, yet they mean in the classroom and business office.

 

[bamaledge]

Let me make this perfectly clear so every one knows where I stand, it may not be easy but WALK AWAY!

 

[sean]

Yeah, he could easily have subdued her. He could have walked away. I get you're playing devil's advocate, but she didn't haul off and hit him like you're describing. $50 says he's had a girlfriend mess with him worse than that. You know, this is the problem with society today, no morals. Sure, she shouldn't have made contact with him, but two wrongs don't make a right. At some point, be a freaking man and realize you are not in harms way. If she pulled a gun, sure, light her up, but a blue chip athlete isn't worrying about a college chick taking him out at a restaurant. This is a situation of a guy that has no morals, he reacted poorly, and was let off easily due to being a college athlete. He hasn't gotten jack **** for punishment like Ray Rice. You **** up, you pay the price. Now, if that were my daughter, the price he'd pay would be dealing with me and his life would forever be altered after everything calmed down.

that's true. and that's why i said i didn't agree with his level of retaliation. to counter, he could've shoved her back, or told her don't do that, or warned her, or walked away, or many other things. i don't have a problem with him defending himself; he has a right to do that. but the level at which he defended himself is, indeed, wrong.

unfortunately, if it comes to it, his lawyer will make it seem like she was asking for it and he feared for his safety and that's why did it. and, unfortunately, some juror will see it that way, too, and side with him in the matter. some people tend to not see the circumstances or inferences in things and just take things at face value. which is wrong, in my opinion.

again, i was playing devil's advocate in that part. so basically meaning that's not my opinion on the situation, just another way of looking at it.

The whole women want to be equal argument isn't from a muscle to muscle standpoint, it's more from an equality standpoint where they are just as smart as men and can handle business so they feel they deserve opportunties and equal pay. They aren't screaming they should be playing college football and can lift as many weights as a five star recruit. So that argument doesn't sit well with me, because I don't think they mean they can stand toe to toe in a fight, the MMA octagon, or in the weight room, yet they mean in the classroom and business office.

i've known quite a few women who say they can do anything a man can do. now whether or not they meant absolutely "anything" or not, i don't know. but if that's what they say, then i'll believe them until i see otherwise.

 

[Trob]

I cannot nor will not ever agree with what you just said about it being her fault.

That's fine. You watched the video though, right? You saw him walking away before she decided to put her hands on him? Did you see him feint a punch (which I took as a warning) after being shoved but before being slapped? Do you think he would have hit her had she not physically assaulted him? Because if not, it's her fault.

It's a poor excuse of a man that ever hits a woman like he did.

I happen to agree. It's also a poor excuse of any person (an adult at least) to hit someone and not expect to be hit back. If I were having an argument with A'Shawn Robinson and pushed and slapped him I would have to expect that a response is coming, and likely would hurt me a helluva lot more than I hurt him. That's why I don't go around pushing and slapping people.

I am left speechless at some of your comments and then you try and justify by saying that you don't condone it.

I tried to make it clear that I do not think his response was justified. It was clearly an excessive use of force. But realizing and admitting that she escalated the situation to what it became is not a justification of what he did in the slightest. Even if it was the small guy friend who assaulted Mixon and got knocked out for it I would still think his force was excessive (though I don't think people would be as indignant as they are right now). But at the same time, this is why you keep your hands to yourself.

You can't have it both ways.

Have what both ways? Are you saying I can't believe that he was wrong but at the same time believe that she was just as wrong for taking it there in the first place? If so, I can't agree with that. I can and definitely do condemn his reaction while realizing that it was her who provoked it with unnecessary actions herself. I condemn them both. There was no victim here unless they're both victims. If he's a POS thug then so is she.

Let me make this perfectly clear so every one knows where I stand, it may not be easy but WALK AWAY!

Agreed, they both should have just walked away. It absolutely did not have turn physical.

So this incredible athlete who lives in the weight room and no doubt slam full of HGH and roughly the size of a LB waylays her with enough force to break her face in 4 places and this thing has something to do with she started it?

It has to do with whatever we're willing to discuss concerning the incident. I mean, she sued him right? In a court of law do you not think the judge/jury would take into consideration who started what? He didn't just come out of nowhere and attack this woman. He hit her back, albeit with greater force than was necessary but still, it was was in retaliation to her own unnecessary actions. Your hyperbolic description of him only serves to make it all the more bizarre to me that she would think to physically assault him.

 

[ComeOnSon]

Any argument other than he should have walked away is invalid. He's a man in a situation where the "aggressor" is of no threat to him. He should have walked away. If she followed and continued the physical harassment then MAYBE, depending on the escalation, he would have been justified in taking a physical action against her. Also, lost in all of this is that we (I) don't know what he said when he walked up or what had happened previous to this encounter. Has anyone seen or heard what, if any, relationship there was?

 

[JoshB]

Any argument other than he should have walked away is invalid. He's a man in a situation where the "aggressor" is of no threat to him. He should have walked away. If she followed and continued the physical harassment then MAYBE, depending on the escalation, he would have been justified in taking a physical action against her. Also, lost in all of this is that we (I) don't know what he said when he walked up or what had happened previous to this encounter. Has anyone seen or heard what, if any, relationship there was?

Well according to witnesses she spit on him and called him a "n*gger"... Im losing sympathy for her by the second...

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Well according to witnesses she spit on him and called him a "n*gger"... Im losing sympathy for her by the second...

That doesn't justify shattering her face with a haymaker.

Especially not when the music he listens to and the homies he hangs with all use and call each other n*gger all the time.

The double standard hipocrisy within "social justice" ideals astounds me.

 

[JoshB]

That doesn't justify shattering her face with a haymaker.

Especially not when the music he listens to and the homies he hangs with all use and call each other n*gger all the time.

The double standard hipocrisy within "social justice" ideals astounds me.

What does music saying a word that is not used with the same intention have to do with anything? Dont play dumb like you think some random rapper saying "n*gga" in a song is the same as some drunk sorority chick spitting on someone while calling him a "n*gger"...

And you have to add everything up... IF she really spit on him... IF she really called him a "n*gger"... and then combine that with her actually assaulting him first... changes a lot... I dont know if I would be able to stop myself from at least slapping the shit out of her... granted I still think launching a haymaker is way over the line no matter what. It doesnt excuse her from fault either. People want to pretend like situations like this have are solely black and white with no gray area. She put hands on him first, she should be punished too. Just my two cents whether you or anyone agrees with it I really dont care, Im done with this subject.

 

[Argo]

Shoving isn't assault. Shoving is actually classified as harassment. Dude outweighs her by a bunch. Punching her as hard as he could and simply walking away without even checking to see if he seriously injured her is ridiculous. Doesn't matter what she said or even if she spit on him. People are killed every year by something as simple as the knockout game. He had no business punching her. Especially under those circumstances.

 

[TUSKtimes]

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It has to do with whatever we're willing to discuss concerning the incident. I mean, she sued him right? In a court of law do you not think the judge/jury would take into consideration who started what? He didn't just come out of nowhere and attack this woman. He hit her back, albeit with greater force than was necessary but still, it was was in retaliation to her own unnecessary actions. Your hyperbolic description of him only serves to make it all the more bizarre to me that she would think to physically assault him.

Nothing hyperboles about that grown ass man when he broke her face. Your dilemma here will be talking people out of what they saw. You can try to make this an intellectual discussion, but there's a video out there that requires absolutely no imagination to understand completely. People can see for themselves that the punishment hardly fits the crime.

 

[alabamajack]

Have to agree with Sgt on the double standards in society today. IMO, the word n**** is just as derogatory whether it's in a song or said in "love" or hate. Also have to agree that he should have just pushed her away and left, but alcohol and being pissed at her actions was not a good mix. The thing that bothers me the most though is how a common Joe can commit an offense and be thrown under the bus, but if you have ball skills, it's like having a get out of jail card in your back pocket

 

[JoshB]

Shoving isn't assault. Shoving is actually classified as harassment. Dude outweighs her by a bunch. Punching her as hard as he could and simply walking away without even checking to see if he seriously injured her is ridiculous. Doesn't matter what she said or even if she spit on him. People are killed every year by something as simple as the knockout game. He had no business punching her. Especially under those circumstances.

You conveniently left out the slap to the face...

 

[Argo]

You conveniently left out the slap to the face...

It doesn't change my position. Do I feel sorry for her? No. She thought because she was a smaller female that she could do whatever and it wouldn't matter. Doesn't mean that he is justified in landing a closed fist punch in the face to the point that she isn't moving and then walking away like it didn't happen. It's a bitch move from someone who wasn't physically threatened at all by a smaller blonde female.

 

[JoshB]

It doesn't change my position. Do I feel sorry for her? No. She thought because she was a smaller female that she could do whatever and it wouldn't matter. Doesn't mean that he is justified in landing a closed fist punch in the face to the point that she isn't moving and then walking away like it didn't happen. It's a bitch move from someone who wasn't physically threatened at all by a smaller blonde female.

I was just pointing out that you said pushing someone isnt assault, but slapping someone in the face IS assault... and Im with you on it not being justified, I've said that at least three times at this point. Tossing a haymaker at a 150 lb. woman is not justified unless she was throwing hyamakers at the guy herself or trying to stab him or something....

 

[Argo]

I was just pointing out that you said pushing someone isnt assault, but slapping someone in the face IS assault... and Im with you on it not being justified, I've said that at least three times at this point. Tossing a haymaker at a 150 lb. woman is not justified unless she was throwing hyamakers at the guy herself or trying to stab him or something....

We agree. And I'm not being argumentative, but slapping someone isn't considered assault in most states. It's still harassment. "Assault" charge requires injuries. Merely slapping someone in the face doesn't constitute assault from a legal standpoint. But it's a terrible idea. Especially when the person you are slapping is very capable of seriously harming you. So absolutely dumb on her part.

 

[JoshB]

We agree. And I'm not being argumentative, but slapping someone isn't considered assault in most states. It's still harassment. "Assault" charge requires injuries. Merely slapping someone in the face doesn't constitute assault from a legal standpoint. But it's a terrible idea. Especially when the person you are slapping is very capable of seriously harming you. So absolutely dumb on her part.

If we're going by state laws what she did was assault and battery according to Oklahoma law...

Assault
Under Oklahoma law, a person who threatens or attempts to cause physical harm to another person is guilty of assault. (Okla. Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, §641.) Threatening words are not enough to constitute an assault. The offender also must take some menacing action such as drawing a fist or charging toward the victim.

Battery
A battery is the intentional use of force against another person, which causes harm or offense to the victim. Striking a person with a fist and spitting on another both are acts that constitute battery. (Okla. Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, §642.)

Assault and Battery
A person can be charged with assault for threatening another or with assault and battery when the act of assault culminates in a battery. Threatening to hit a person is an assault. If the offender actually strikes the victim after making the threat, the offender can be charged with assault and battery.

Assault and battery crimes in Oklahoma can be misdemeanors or felonies, depending on the injury caused by the defendant, the identity of the victim, and whether the defendant used a dangerous weapon.

For information on aggravated assault and battery and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, see Oklahoma Aggravated Assault and Battery Laws and Assault and Battery with a Dangerous Weapon in Oklahoma.

Assault or battery committed against a spouse, family member or someone you are dating is considered domestic abuse and subject to higher penalties than general assault and battery. For more information about domestic abuse laws, see Domestic Violence Laws in Oklahoma.

 

[Argo]

If we're going by state laws what she did was assault and battery according to Oklahoma law...

Assault
Under Oklahoma law, a person who threatens or attempts to cause physical harm to another person is guilty of assault. (Okla. Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, §641.) Threatening words are not enough to constitute an assault. The offender also must take some menacing action such as drawing a fist or charging toward the victim.

Battery
A battery is the intentional use of force against another person, which causes harm or offense to the victim. Striking a person with a fist and spitting on another both are acts that constitute battery. (Okla. Stat. Ann. Tit. 21, §642.)

Assault and Battery
A person can be charged with assault for threatening another or with assault and battery when the act of assault culminates in a battery. Threatening to hit a person is an assault. If the offender actually strikes the victim after making the threat, the offender can be charged with assault and battery.

Assault and battery crimes in Oklahoma can be misdemeanors or felonies, depending on the injury caused by the defendant, the identity of the victim, and whether the defendant used a dangerous weapon.

For information on aggravated assault and battery and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, see Oklahoma Aggravated Assault and Battery Laws and Assault and Battery with a Dangerous Weapon in Oklahoma.

Assault or battery committed against a spouse, family member or someone you are dating is considered domestic abuse and subject to higher penalties than general assault and battery. For more information about domestic abuse laws, see Domestic Violence Laws in Oklahoma.

That's interesting. Without knowing Oklahoma case law and definitions, I wonder why she wasn't charged OR why he was charged and plead guilty if she committed a crime first.

 

[JoshB]

That's interesting. Without knowing Oklahoma case law and definitions, I wonder why she wasn't charged OR why he was charged and plead guilty if she committed a crime first.

Probably because he damn near committed a murder lol