🏈 Phillip Ely considering transfer from Alabama

[BAMA JAMMA]

WTH??? :shock:

Since when did it become a crime to transfer out to so you can better your ambitions, goals, desires, etc?

Is it a crime to leave a great company working as a bee in the background but want to start a new job where you have a better shot at excelling to the next level?

Any time you have success there are bound to be people that will leave due to riding the bench for years. I don't blame those people, unless its to a hated rival. These guys only have so many years to showcase their body of work if their intentions are to make it to the NFL. There are other guys that don't have an ambition to go pro but DO want to play while they are still in college.

It's life. It's not a generational thing.

 

[Bamabww]

I can't blame the young man. I'm sure the coaching staff has advised him on what his position is with the team. He gave Bama a shot and it just didn't work out.

 

[0LDSCH00L]

Who in the world is sending him off with a ticker tape parade or calling him a hero?

I guess I just assumed that he would get the kid gloves treatment that everyone gave Phillip Sims when he left for Virginia?

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...Phillip-Sims-Going-to-Virginia&highlight=Sims

Doesn't anyone understand what the word commitment means anymore?

I get the feeling that the people who criticize me for not admiring someone who leaves Alabama or think I am "B & M" probably have never snapped a chin strap.

We had a few players leave for other teams when I played and trust me we (his teammates) didn't send them off with good luck and well wishes. He was just a quitter to us plain and simple...

You may be right guys, maybe not be generational thing at all, it may be more of a "been there" thing. Maybe from a (never played the game) fan's POV it looks a little different and it's easier to accept.

I would bet my house that the people who are criticizing me are either under 30 or have never played football.

Trust me, it won't sit well with anyone on the team except some of the other quarterbacks behind him on the depth chart if he ends up leaving.

In any case I am in the team's and the coaches' corner on this issue, not in the player who decides he would rather play for another team somewhere else's corner...

You may criticize me for what I am saying but if we were in battle you would be much better off with me in the foxhole with you than either PS or PE and you can bet your life on that...

 

[tidentrue]

I guess I just assumed that he would get the same treatment that everyone gave Phillip Sims?

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...Phillip-Sims-Going-to-Virginia&highlight=Sims

and your point is???

 

[BAMA JAMMA]

I LOL'd hard at this angle http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topi...y-to-get-a-player-to-spill-the-beans-on-bama/

:shake::lol:

 

[0LDSCH00L]

and your point is???

From the comments left for Sims on that thread it appeared he was leaving because it was best thing he could do for Alabama?

Never mind, I just don't think you will ever understand :chat_headscratch:

 

[JoshB]

I guess I just assumed that he would get the kid soft gloves treatment that everyone gave Phillip Sims when he left for Virginia?

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...Phillip-Sims-Going-to-Virginia&highlight=Sims

Doesn't anyone understand what the word commitment means anymore?

I get the feeing that the people who criticize me for not admiring someone who leaves Alabama, just do not understand where I am coming from, or believe that I am just "B & M" probably have never snapped a chin strap.

We had a few players leave for other teams when I played and trust me we (his teammates) didn't send them off with good luck and well wishes. He was just a quitter to us plain and simple...

You may be right guys, maybe not be generational thing at all, it may be more of a "been there" thing. Maybe from a (never played the game) fan's POV it looks a little different and it's easier to accept.

I would bet my house that the people who are criticizing me are either under 30 or have never played football.

Trust me, it won't sit well with anyone on the team except some of the other quarterbacks behind him on the depth chart if he ends up leaving.

In any case I am in the team's and the coaches' corner on this issue, not in the player who decides he would rather play for another team somewhere else's corner...

You may criticize me for what I am saying but if we were in battle you would be much better off with me in the foxhole with you than either PS or PE and you can bet your ass on that...

Okay first off, we are treating the same as Sims. We dont care that hes leaving, if he wants to leave thats fine for him. Transfers happen every single year and its perfectly fine. I wonder if you'd have this same type of attitude towards a player transferring to Bama, I find that hard to believe. I highly doubt you were calling Duron Carter a "quitter" when he was coming here.

And as far as your little quip about "been there" and none of us never playing football, guess what? Wrong again Bob! I am under 30 tho. Excuse me for not thinking we should egg this guys house or something because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Coach Saban should try and force a player that doesn't want to be here I guess.

 

[BAMA JAMMA]

Oldschool,

I respect your opinion but did you ever play for big time college football, much less under Nick Saban?

If I understand your post, you are thinking none of us ever played football for school growing up? The fact you played ball and your team had players leave, for one reason or another, does not in any way mean it's comparable to Nick Saban or the players of the Tide. How can you say you are on their side when there hasn't been anything mentioned of ill will towards Ely? Do you have any inside info?

BTW I also played ball but I have a different opinion than you. Does that somehow mean your theory is debunked and that different teams can have different chemistry? Not everything has to have a negative man. Perhaps your team had some issues, I don't know but it doesn't really matter because sometimes things just don't work out or you want to make the best of the time you have.

Lets be real, with the amount of success and competition at Alabama these days there are bound to be some guys that just don't work out for one reason or another. Maybe they don't find out until after the fact, even years later. i see no need to hold someone hostage on the term commitment in college football just because they came to Alabama. The Tide will continue to roll, enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Argo]

I guess I just assumed that he would get the soft gloves treatment that everyone gave Phillip Sims when he left for Virginia?

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...Phillip-Sims-Going-to-Virginia&highlight=Sims

Doesn't anyone understand what the word commitment means anymore?

I get the feeing that the people who criticize me for not admiring someone who leaves Alabama is just :chat_headscratch:"B & M" probably have never snapped a chin strap.

We had a few players leave for other teams when I played and trust me we (his teammates) didn't send them off with good luck and well wishes. He was just a quitter to us plain and simple...

You may be right guys, maybe not be generational thing at all, it may be more of a "been there" thing. Maybe from a (never played the game) fan's POV it looks a little different and it's easier to accept.

I would bet my house that the people who are criticizing me are either under 30 or have never played football.

Trust me, it won't sit well with anyone on the team except some of the other quarterbacks behind him on the depth chart if he ends up leaving.

In any case I am in the team's and the coaches' corner on this issue, not in the player who decides he would rather play for another team somewhere else's corner...

You may criticize me for what I am saying but if we were in battle you would be much better off with me in the foxhole with you than either PS or PE and you can bet your ass on that...

85-10 = 75. 75+25 = 100. Being that you are admittedly an old timer, maybe you are accustomed to Coach Bryant's teams having 368 players on scholarship with guys excited to be 8th string for 4 years. The NCAA frowns upon that now. So kids are gonna go. Some may hang it up because of medical issues. Some may leave for family reasons, and some may leave because they'd like to start somewhere else. Whatever their reasons, they are gonna go. They do every year.

So again I say, if he or anyone else decides it's best for them to play ball at a different college, including Auburn, then so be it. I wish them well, and I will every time. And if Saban wasn't already prepared for it, he wouldn't be signing a full class this year.

 

[0LDSCH00L]

Okay first off, we are treating the same as Sims. We dont care that hes leaving, if he wants to leave thats fine for him. Transfers happen every single year and its perfectly fine. I wonder if you'd have this same type of attitude towards a player transferring to Bama, I find that hard to believe. I highly doubt you were calling Duron Carter a "quitter" when he was coming here.

And as far as your little quip about "been there" and none of us never playing football, guess what? Wrong again Bob! I am under 30 tho. Excuse me for not thinking we should egg this guys house or something because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Coach Saban should try and force a player that doesn't want to be here I guess.

So I am wrong you say, did you quit or did you ever consider quitting your team Birdman?

Nobody said one word about Saban forcing him to stay. In fact now that the cat is out of the bag he needs to just go. You see playing for a team is like being in a marriage Birdman, once you know your spouse is looking around for someone else to replace you, he or she has already burnt the bridge as far as I am concerned.

Sure, when someone transfers to Alabama I am perfectly fine with that because I am an Alabama man and I want what is best for Alabama period, but I bet the team, coaches, and the fans of the school he left didn't pat him on the back and wish them well when he left them for Alabama, I do however question their character and I wasn't comfortable with DC either. As a famous coach once said; [TABLE="width: 771"]
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`Paul Bryant~

That's just like the discussion we all had about Ruban Foster. Some question his character because he de-commited from Auburn. So I have to ask, which is worse, de-commiting from a team before you even enroll or step on the practice field or quitting after you are part of a team and the coaches and team have put in so much time and effort in making you better?

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I guess I just assumed that he would get the kid gloves treatment that everyone gave Phillip Sims when he left for Virginia?

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...Phillip-Sims-Going-to-Virginia&highlight=Sims

Doesn't anyone understand what the word commitment means anymore?

I get the feeling that the people who criticize me for not admiring someone who leaves Alabama is just "B & M" probably have never snapped a chin strap.

We had a few players leave for other teams when I played and trust me we (his teammates) didn't send them off with good luck and well wishes. He was just a quitter to us plain and simple...

You may be right guys, maybe not be generational thing at all, it may be more of a "been there" thing. Maybe from a (never played the game) fan's POV it looks a little different and it's easier to accept.

I would bet my house that the people who are criticizing me are either under 30 or have never played football.

Trust me, it won't sit well with anyone on the team except some of the other quarterbacks behind him on the depth chart if he ends up leaving.

In any case I am in the team's and the coaches' corner on this issue, not in the player who decides he would rather play for another team somewhere else's corner...

You may criticize me for what I am saying but if we were in battle you would be much better off with me in the foxhole with you than either PS or PE and you can bet your life on that...

This isn't a battle, it's young men playing football. They aren't deserters, they're young men exercising their rights to attend the school of their choice who pay the price (lost year) of the transfer. Is it admiration to wish someone well in their future endeavors, or just simple courtesy that is afforded a kid who has worked hard but isn't in line to play? With PS or PE, we're not talking kids in the doghouse for "unspecified violations of teams rules", just kids who have been sat down by the staff and told where they stand in terms of playing time (now and future).

I'm well over 30 and I played, and neither of those factors play into my rationale for wishing him well. It's sad that you use this topic as another venue for an ill-reasoned generational generalization. The foxhole envy was a nice touch, though.

RTR,

Tim

 

[0LDSCH00L]

85-10 = 75. 75+25 = 100. Being that you are admittedly an old timer, maybe you are accustomed to Coach Bryant's teams having 368 players on scholarship with guys excited to be 8th string for 4 years. The NCAA frowns upon that now. So kids are gonna go. Some may hang it up because of medical issues. Some may leave for family reasons, and some may leave because they'd like to start somewhere else. Whatever their reasons, they are gonna go. They do every year.

So again I say, if he or anyone else decides it's best for them to play ball at a different college, including Auburn, then so be it. I wish them well, and I will every time. And if Saban wasn't already prepared for it, he wouldn't be signing a full class this year.

I hope you are not suggesting that Saban suggested he leave to make room for someone else? I certainly hope that is not your point?

 

[Argo]

I hope you are not suggesting that Saban suggested he leave to make room for someone else? I certainly hope that is not your point?

Take from it what you will, you are certainly an obtuse one. The fact is, and still remains......we are going to be around 15 scholarships over the allowed limit if we sign a full class and nobody leaves. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Dr. Holtz, but we are less than 72 hours away from signing a full class of recruits.

 

[JoshB]

So I am wrong you say, did you quit or did you ever consider quitting your team Birdman?

Nobody said one word about Saban forcing him to stay. In fact now that the cat is out of the bag he needs to just go. You see playing for a team is like being in a marriage Birdman, once you know your spouse is looking around for someone else to replace you, he or she has already burnt the bridge as far as I am concerned.

Sure, when someone transfers to Alabama I am perfectly fine with that because I am an Alabama man and I want what is best for Alabama period, but I bet the team, coaches, and the fans of the school he left didn't pat him on the back and wish them well when he left them for Alabama, I do however question their character and I wasn't comfortable with DC either. As a famous coach once said; [TABLE="width: 771"]
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`Paul Bryant~

That's just like the discussion we all had about Ruban Foster. Some question his character because he de-commited from Auburn. So I have to ask, which is worse, de-commiting from a team before you even enroll or step on the practice field or quitting after you are part of a team and the coaches and team have put in so much time and effort in making you better?

Actually I did quit... my senior year after I blew my knee and shoulder out in the same year... guess that makes me a lousy quitter too because I took the doctors advice...

And noone questions Foster because he DE-committed from Auburn, thats ridiculous. They question him because of the way hes flip flopped back and forth (he was committed to Bama FIRST) and the WAY he de-committed from Alabama and committed to Auburn.

 

[0LDSCH00L]

This isn't a battle, it's young men playing football. They aren't deserters, they're young men exercising their rights to attend the school of their choice who pay the price (lost year) of the transfer. Is it admiration to wish someone well in their future endeavors, or just simple courtesy that is afforded a kid who has worked hard but isn't in line to play? With PS or PE, we're not talking kids in the doghouse for "unspecified violations of teams rules", just kids who have been sat down by the staff and told where they stand in terms of playing time (now and future).

I'm well over 30 and I played, and neither of those factors play into my rationale for wishing him well. It's sad that you use this topic as another venue for an ill-reasoned generational generalization. The foxhole envy was a nice touch, though.

RTR,

Tim

I didn't say football is a battle, I was talking about character and how a lack of character carries over to other important things in life? When Bobby Petrino basically quit his wife for what he thought was a better situation relationship-wise did it change your opinion of him? Of course it did...

Sounds like a little bit of a double standard to me...

Football at this level is not just a bunch of guys playing a game, it is a group of devoted athletes and coaches all pulling in the same direction. It is bigger than any one player and the player is irrelevant when it comes to the team. It is the team that matter, not guys like PS or PE...

Trust me Tim, even with I have detected your obvious distain for me, you would want me covering your back in that foxhole. You would not want someone like Phillip Sims or Phillip Ely and that is what you guys aren't getting for some reason.

There is no flaw in my character for not wanting to pat them on the back and wish them my best for quitting on their team, but there is a flaw in their character for leaving their team and coaches just because they are starting...

 

[0LDSCH00L]

Take from it what you will, you are certainly an obtuse one. The fact is, and still remains......we are going to be around 15 scholarships over the allowed limit if we sign a full class and nobody leaves. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Dr. Holtz, but we are less than 72 hours away from signing a full class of recruits.

Are personal insults really necessary Argo?


ob·tuse

• Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
• Difficult to understand.

dull - blunt - dense - slow-witted

 

[JoshB]

I didn't say football is a battle, I was talking about character and how a lack of character carries over to other important things in life? When Bobby Petrino basically quit his wife for what he thought was a better situation relationship-wise did it change your opinion of him? Of course it did...

Sounds like a little bit of a double standard to me...

Football at this level is not just a bunch of guys playing a game, it is a group of devoted athletes and coaches all pulling in the same direction. It is bigger than any one player and the player is irrelevant when it comes to the team. It is the team that matter, not guys like PS or PE...

Trust me Tim, even with I have detected your obvious distain for me, you would want me covering your back in that foxhole. You would not want someone like Phillip Sims or Phillip Ely and that is what you guys aren't getting for some reason.

There is no flaw in my character for not wanting to pat them on the back and wish them my best for quitting on their team, but there is a flaw in their character for leaving their team and coaches just because they are starting...

I thought Bobby Petrino was a scumbag (as did many others) long before that happened so your point is invalid...

But I love the way you act as if you KNOW what these guys character would be "in a foxhole" without ever personally having a single conversation with them or even someone they know. Get over yourself for the love of god.

 

[Argo]

There is no flaw in my character for not wanting to pat them on the back and wish them my best for quitting on their team, but there is a flaw in their character for leaving their team and coaches just because they are starting...

You have argued your way all around the board to get back to the same point I made in the second post of this thread. A point many here have also stated. I'll bold it this time, so it will be a little easier to read....

If a player chooses that he'd rather transfer to a different school, then so be it. If he doesn't want to be here, it does no good to make him stay. I wish him the best, and I look forward to the next player at that position that Saban has recruited to replace him with.

I don't get why that is so hard to understand. I'm not going to trash the kid on any social media website, I'm not going to call him a quitter or hope that he has a career ending injury. Instead, I'm going to wish the guy the best and move forward.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I didn't say football is a battle, I was talking about character and how a lack of character carries over to other important things in life? When Bobby Petrino basically quit his wife for what he thought was a better situation relationship-wise did it change your opinion of him? Of course it did...

Sounds like a little bit of a double standard to me...

Football at this level is not just a bunch of guys playing a game, it is a group of devoted athletes and coaches all pulling in the same direction. It is bigger than any one player and the player is irrelevant when it comes to the team. It is the team that matter, not guys like PS or PE...

Trust me Tim, even with I have detected your obvious distain for me, you would want me covering your back in that foxhole. You would not want someone like Phillip Sims or Phillip Ely and that is what you guys aren't getting for some reason.

There is no flaw in my character for not wanting to pat them on the back and wish them my best for quitting on their team, but there is a flaw in their character for leaving their team and coaches just because they are starting...

Petrino was a snake in my book before the cycle ride, but if you are equating infidelity with a kid transferring schools, or suggesting because a kid transferred schools they will never be trustworthy in more important, even life-threatening situations, you're painting yourself into a corner.

I hold no particular "distain" for you, but when I see arguments hinging on someone's age, it's hard to sit by and not note that most dirty old men were dirty young men, and most grumpy old men were grumpy young men. And to note that young men today are not capable of your time tinged remembrances of commitment, I ask you to research the exploits of our ground troops, or (by your standard) the number of football players to don't transfer.

RTR,

Tim

 

[Argo]

Are personal insults really necessary Argo?


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My apologies. I assumed from your willingness to call someone a quitter and question their character because they are considering a transfer to a different college, that personal insults were totally acceptable.