🏈 Now that we're in and all... Let's get real

[BamaFan334]

I agree the play calling has sucked.

I also think it's tough to call plays with a QB that can only make 1 read. You literally have to call the perfect play for that defense because there is no 2nd "passing" option.

I think you're missing the point about what Jalen has accomplished at Alabama. A warm body could win at least 10/12 of the game Alabama has scheduled the last 2 seasons. And those 2 losses have come with everything (at the time) on the line.

The butthurt for any type of change to a painfully inconsistent offense in the biggest moments is confusing. Not changing ANYTHING is crazy. If it was up to me, the QB wouldn't matter because we'd run the ball 40 times a game... With the RB's... Not called pass plays that end in runs (to the right usually). But Daboll isn't going anywhere.

So if we are going to run a lot of pass plays why not use a QB that has potential to be a great passer? Jalen has potential to be a good passer... He's not a bad QB. But the offense has looked bad.

It's really not that complicated. It's just using the talent on the roster instead of putting your head in the sand.

But what do you do for all of those 3rd and 4th down plays Jalen has moved the sticks with his legs, or even put points on the board? We know Tua or any other quarterback we currently have is unable to do that. He has bailed our asses out more than he has cost us, that's a fact. Clemson is not on Hurts, blame Sarkesian on that garbage. And saying anyone can win 10-12 games with an Alabama team is not really true, because all you need to do is look at probably the most talented team Alabama has ever fielded and see they lost three games in one season. I agree, he has lost two big games, but he has also won us more like the LSU game where he scored the only touchdown to put the game away.

I'm not adverse to change at all, but the basis for change has to be built on a mounting problem, and one loss and a few incompletions is not a reason to shake everything up in my mind. Give the guy some blocking, let the horses in the backfield earn their keep and pad their stats, and then let Hurts throw to his weapons on the outside. He's not perfect, but he's far from awful, but I'll continue to say it's hard to checkdown over and over again when you're getting chased out of the pocket.

 

[OldPlayer]

Changing plays at the line? They do all that from the sideline bub.... This isn't 1994. Don't you notice the entire team looking over there before the snap, every play?

Jalen only looks at 1 option every play (usually Ridley) so it's not exactly brain surgery.

Talking 2-3 series' with a handful of plays he's been well prepared to run... It doesn't have to be that complicated.

Well bub, you don't know the actual process. Coaches will see the initial line up of the defense and change a play call. But, when the defense shifts, there isn't time to look back at the sideline and get a new play call. The QB is responsible for adjusting blocking schemes and the play. Have you not noticed the QB moving down the line and communicating with the linemen and then the back(s)? Do you not notice the hand signal he makes to the receivers? Tua is still learning.

 

[UAgrad93]

I love Jalen, but there is nothing wrong with breaking out some different looks for a big game as CNS has done many times in the past. In this list of different looks should be included a lefty passer with the abilities that Tua has sitting on your bench. It's about winning, right?

I also think a stacked backfield with 2 RBs and Jalen running triple option or more read option with extra blockers would be a good go to power on power with Clempsum. Just to mix it up and make their LBs run more laterally early in the game... or late for that matter..

Only thing different will be the lead shoulder and the spin on the ball. Coach Bill Oliver used me a lot in his DB drills during his tenure at UA for the DBs to read and break on a thrown ball. He didn't give a shit which arm I was throwing with!
The plays aren't going to change with Tua, if anything, you may see a smaller package.

 

[Tidestalker]

But what do you do for all of those 3rd and 4th down plays Jalen has moved the sticks with his legs, or even put points on the board? We know Tua or any other quarterback we currently have is unable to do that. He has bailed our asses out more than he has cost us, that's a fact. Clemson is not on Hurts, blame Sarkesian on that garbage. And saying anyone can win 10-12 games with an Alabama team is not really true, because all you need to do is look at probably the most talented team Alabama has ever fielded and see they lost three games in one season. I agree, he has lost two big games, but he has also won us more like the LSU game where he scored the only touchdown to put the game away.

I'm not adverse to change at all, but the basis for change has to be built on a mounting problem, and one loss and a few incompletions is not a reason to shake everything up in my mind. Give the guy some blocking, let the horses in the backfield earn their keep and pad their stats, and then let Hurts throw to his weapons on the outside. He's not perfect, but he's far from awful, but I'll continue to say it's hard to checkdown over and over again when you're getting chased out of the pocket.

"All those 3rd and 4th down plays"... I'm only asking for 2-3 series... Unless Tua gets hot.. .Maybe a few more.

What was our third down % vs Auburn last weekend again? Just saying... lol

The offense has been in bad shape with Jalen running it. All I've seen is negativity towards Tua possibly playing, but there could be some real positives too.

I personally would much rather see Daboll line up under center and pound the rock over, and over, and mixing in some play actions or quick passes... Because I think the passing O is impacting our D and their rest time as well... But I guess Saban prefers depeding on the passing game more than the run game now a days. So, using a good passing option seems like a potential solution to the passing issues.

TLDR - Agree to disagree. I see Tua having the potential to make some good plays that the O has been missing. Mixed in with minimizing some of Jalen's predictability that defenses are keyed in on. Roll Tide

 

[UAgrad93]

Well bub, you don't know the actual process. Coaches will see the initial line up of the defense and change a play call. But, when the defense shifts, there isn't time to look back at the sideline and get a new play call. The QB is responsible for adjusting blocking schemes and the play. Have you not noticed the QB moving down the line and communicating with the linemen and then the back(s)? Do you not notice the hand signal he makes to the receivers? Tua is still learning.

PREACH!!! The QB is responsible for a shit ton pre snap to snap. From getting the play call to the line, getting the changed call, relaying protection (slide left or right) inserting backs into protection, releasing "hot" receivers, identifying the Mike and making sure you and the center are on the same page, and then reading the pre snap look in the secondary, 1 or 2 safeties. And all of this shit has to be done within the initial 40 second play clock which is down to about 25-30 when you first get the play!!!!

 

[Tidestalker]

Let's go with this for a minute.

What different look(s) are we going to see if the team goes with the left handed QB? The scheme will remain the same. The formations will remain the same. Opposing corners still have to cover whether it's a right handed or left handed QB.
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The difference is pretty simple.... That when Jalen is running to his right, which is close to half the pass plays, he can't pass to his left. Basically cutting the field in half on all of those plays. A lefty QB could use those players... Maybe even some not named Ridley? Shocking idea I know... But it could work... Considering the alternative which we've seen plenty of.

 

[UAgrad93]

The difference is pretty simple.... That when Jalen is running to his right, which is close to half the pass plays, he can't pass to his left. Basically cutting the field in half on all of those plays. A lefty QB could use those players... Maybe even some not named Ridley? Shocking idea I know... But it could work... Considering the alternative which we've seen plenty of.

We really screw them up and instead of bailing to the right, we bail to the left!!! I get you now!!!

 

[Tidestalker]

Well bub, you don't know the actual process. Coaches will see the initial line up of the defense and change a play call. But, when the defense shifts, there isn't time to look back at the sideline and get a new play call. The QB is responsible for adjusting blocking schemes and the play. Have you not noticed the QB moving down the line and communicating with the linemen and then the back(s)? Do you not notice the hand signal he makes to the receivers? Tua is still learning.

Na I'm very familiar. We call a play that only legitimately has 1 potential pass catcher... Regardless of what routes the others run. Either you don't think too highly of Tua's intellectual properties or you haven't been watching our offense... Because if Jalen is making calls/checks/blocking assignments at the LOS - He ain't very good at it.

He's plenty capable of running the offense for a few series'. Especially when they have a month to prepare a handful of plays for him. It's a quarterback playing quarterback, not taking a rocket to the moon.

 

[Tidestalker]

We really screw them up and instead of bailing to the right, we bail to the left!!! I get you now!!!

Boom. I love it! May short circuit my TV but it's worth the risk

 

['65 Cobra]

• This season, according to data supplied by ProFootballFocus.com, 54 percent of his 194 pass attempts have traveled 10 or more yards in the air. Last season, through 11 weeks, only 35 percent of his passes covered that distance.
• In recent weeks, that means targeting players running extended routes. Only seven of his last 64 passes have been delivered to teammates lurking behind the line of scrimmage. The constant stream of screens and jet sweeps that was so prevalent with Daboll's predecessor, Lane Kiffin, in charge has dissipated to a trickle.
  
• At this point last season, only seven percent of Hurts' throws entered an area with horizontal dimensions between the numbers and vertical parameters of ten and 19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He completed only 57 percent of them for 193 yards with two interceptions.
  
• According to CFBfilmroom.com, one-third of his passes in 2016 were thrown to receivers running ten or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This year, that number has jumped to 54 percent.

But he hasn't improved.

That is good data. However, none of it addresses the most glaring problems that many of us have pointed out: he locks on to Ridley, he telegraphs his passes, he takes very bad sacks, he has no left side, and he has poor field vision too often missing open receivers.

Jalen has improved in many ways and he is also a great runner and very tough. However, he has also not improved or even regressed in several ways as well. It's nothing against Jalen personally, just objective observations.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

• This season, according to data supplied by ProFootballFocus.com, 54 percent of his 194 pass attempts have traveled 10 or more yards in the air. Last season, through 11 weeks, only 35 percent of his passes covered that distance.
• In recent weeks, that means targeting players running extended routes. Only seven of his last 64 passes have been delivered to teammates lurking behind the line of scrimmage. The constant stream of screens and jet sweeps that was so prevalent with Daboll's predecessor, Lane Kiffin, in charge has dissipated to a trickle.
  
• At this point last season, only seven percent of Hurts' throws entered an area with horizontal dimensions between the numbers and vertical parameters of ten and 19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He completed only 57 percent of them for 193 yards with two interceptions.
  
• According to CFBfilmroom.com, one-third of his passes in 2016 were thrown to receivers running ten or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This year, that number has jumped to 54 percent.

But he hasn't improved.

Dafuq you doin bringing solid stats to refute the common narrative?

You know stats are useless and have nothing to do with hype and criticism on THIS board

 

[TerryP]

If Saban didn't play Tua against Auburn, he is not playing him against Clemson.

I don't think you can say that. But, go back to LSU and MSU...

 

[Sid Youngleman]

• This season, according to data supplied by ProFootballFocus.com, 54 percent of his 194 pass attempts have traveled 10 or more yards in the air. Last season, through 11 weeks, only 35 percent of his passes covered that distance.
• In recent weeks, that means targeting players running extended routes. Only seven of his last 64 passes have been delivered to teammates lurking behind the line of scrimmage. The constant stream of screens and jet sweeps that was so prevalent with Daboll's predecessor, Lane Kiffin, in charge has dissipated to a trickle.
  
• At this point last season, only seven percent of Hurts' throws entered an area with horizontal dimensions between the numbers and vertical parameters of ten and 19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He completed only 57 percent of them for 193 yards with two interceptions.
  
• According to CFBfilmroom.com, one-third of his passes in 2016 were thrown to receivers running ten or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This year, that number has jumped to 54 percent.

It appears that the fat guy from Moneyball has been at it again.

 

[bcracker]

Is it @bcracker come on tell us

Moi?

 

[jdpas29]

i guess to use cliche effectively Tua is one of those guys that can "make all the throws". That really sums it up as far as the back and forth. I don't think Jalen is perceived as that guy whether that is right or wrong.

I don't think we fix the offensive issues by asking Jalen to throw 25+ passes in a game where we don't get that many possessions... like both the miss st game and auburn.

Against auburn we rush for like 5 yds/carry and pass for 4.5 per attempt. 103 yards passing total?!?!?!

Ask him to do less with his arm and do it less often.

Run the ball

Pass when you have to or as a big SURPRISE!!!

 

[UAgrad93]

That is good data. However, none of it addresses the most glaring problems that many of us have pointed out: he locks on to Ridley, he telegraphs his passes, he takes very bad sacks, he has no left side, and he has poor field vision too often missing open receivers.

Jalen has improved in many ways and he is also a great runner and very tough. However, he has also not improved or even regressed in several ways as well. It's nothing against Jalen personally, just objective observations.

Some of this I can agree with but your first may more than likely be the scheme of the play and Ridley is often the 1st or 2nd read. Ridley has been our most dynamic guy, so it stands to reason that a lot of our plays are designed with him being the first option. I agree with the bad sacks! He does have a tendency to drift out of the pocket to his right and take a sack that should have been avoided by throwing it away. Once in the Barner game, he tapped himself on the chest telling his teammates, "my bad!" As a right handed QB, Jalen does have a tendency to bail to his right, thus cutting the field in half and missing those receivers to the left. Most QBs have a natural tendency to bail to their throwing side, because it is an easier throw on the run. Meh, on poor field vision. He has stepped into the pocket a few times and hit receivers in the middle of the field for completions and had a few drops as well. He also has worked the scramble drill to his right a few times for good gains as well, a la Ridley against Miss State. He is still young and is going to make some mistakes, some more glaring than others.

I can recall sitting in the stands and hearing some fans bash different QBs through different eras about "not throwing it to that guy or this guy because he was wide open". It is a HELLUVA lot easier to say that from your couch or your seat in the stands!!! Ever had one of those 300+ summbitches running at you wide open and their sole intent is to rip your head off?

 

[PhillyGirl]

Tua will get his time. The Sugar Bowl and hopefully the NCG will not be those times.

This is Jalen's team.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

There is iron in your words of life.

 

[JoshB]

• This season, according to data supplied by ProFootballFocus.com, 54 percent of his 194 pass attempts have traveled 10 or more yards in the air. Last season, through 11 weeks, only 35 percent of his passes covered that distance.
• In recent weeks, that means targeting players running extended routes. Only seven of his last 64 passes have been delivered to teammates lurking behind the line of scrimmage. The constant stream of screens and jet sweeps that was so prevalent with Daboll's predecessor, Lane Kiffin, in charge has dissipated to a trickle.
  
• At this point last season, only seven percent of Hurts' throws entered an area with horizontal dimensions between the numbers and vertical parameters of ten and 19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He completed only 57 percent of them for 193 yards with two interceptions.
  
• According to CFBfilmroom.com, one-third of his passes in 2016 were thrown to receivers running ten or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This year, that number has jumped to 54 percent.

But he hasn't improved.

I'm just flat out SHOCKED that a certain person completely ignored this post, considering it shits on his narrative.

 

[Bama Guy]

I think Tua would be a great change of pace, but not to replace Jalen for long stretches against Clemson. It sure would keep Clemson off balance. Also, I think Jalen is being too conservative with the ball. I wish Bama would loosen things up and take a few more chances in the passing game. Of course if I were Jalen, I wouldn't want to face Saban after throwing a pick.