🏈 Notre Dame should be left out from now on until.......

[TerryP]

When did conferences start sharing bowl game payouts? Wondering when, and if that was a deciding factor for ND to avoid conference affiliation.

No conference = ALL their bowl money. Smart in that sense.

ND, the Capitalist society of college football when socialism abounds as it relates to conference teams that aren't even bowl eligible still get bowl money redistributed from the ones that did the work of actually playing in bowl games.

In a perfect world, ND is part of a conference and bowl participants within conferences get to keep their bowl money and not have it redistributed to the scrubs of their respective conferences.

Notre Dame joined the ACC in its limited role for strength of schedule. Money was certainly a factor as well.

They do have a sweet deal, but it's not that big of a deal in my eyes. The group of five gets over 80MM in a collective pool. It works out to where we're looking at a team like Memphis getting over 1.25MM versus the roughly 2.5MM that Notre Dame is receiving.

There is a disparity, but it makes perfect sense considering Notre Dame is playing as many P5 schools each season as the members of Power 5 conferences.

Which, in a sense, goes back to the original post in this thread; "Notre Dame should be left out." I disagree. You don't leave a team out based on what happened when the reached the playoffs--you can't because it's retrospect.

There is no scenario where you have a team that plays five ACC teams, two SEC teams, a team from the B1G and a team from the PAC and wins them all ... but gets left out. They earned their spot.

I've seen a few suggest the argument this season should be for contraction. If we're down to two, and Notre Dame doesn't play a conference championship game, they are out. They don't have that 13th data point.

Here's one that'll confuse you for days, SLO.

•UCF doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs, even while being undefeated, because they play so many G5 schools. They need to play more P5 schools.
•Notre Dame doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs, even while being undefeated after playing nine P5 schools.

Work that out for me, will ya?

 

[RollllTide!]

They deserved to be there. They didn't play klemscum in the regular season. That would have probably knocked them out. Don't know what their SOS was and it doesn't matter because the committee would be wrong to not pick an undefeated p5 school. Also they got the Pope on their side.

 

[LeGarrette]

RIP Georgia. You will forever be remembered as the team that got smoked in LSU, couldn't beat Alabama's 2nd string QB (twice), tweeters of Notre Dame, and losers to Texas.

@utstnx where you at man? Let's talk.

 

[Bamabacker]

Which, in a sense, goes back to the original post in this thread; "Notre Dame should be left out." I disagree. You don't leave a team out based on what happened when the reached the playoffs--you can't because it's retrospect.

^^^^This is the key point. I think that the committee got it right again. I get knocked in the head and remember every year that pretty much any competitive team can beat another team on any given night. (ie..GA) Texas played a great game and just outperformed GA all night. ND and OK deserved to be in the playoffs by their season performances. Even UCF in their loss needs to be taken seriously because they are a great team but need more regular season P5 wins to get in the dance.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Even UCF in their loss needs to be taken seriously because they are a great team but need more regular season P5 wins to get in the dance.

What does taken seriously mean? Florida offered them a 2 for 1 scheduling deal and they just said no. If they beat LSU, they retroactively declare themselves 2-time NCs. Who are they? They are the new Boise State in a lot of ways, but without the guts to go visit the big boys even occasionally.

 

[TerryP]

If they beat LSU, they retroactively declare themselves 2-time NCs

I wonder if they would.

Last year they had a leg to stand on since the Colley Matrix is an officially recognized championship selector by the NCAA. This season they won't be able to rely on that poll. As of the second week of December they were ranked #7, as I recall. A few teams have lost that were ranked above them—OU, UGA and Notre Dame if memory serves—but Bama and Clemson had the #2 and #1 spots. Even with a win against LSU they'd still be looking up at two undefeated teams.

I've not looked at the other four computer polls. Heck, I don't know if they still exist.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I wonder if they would.

Last year they had a leg to stand on since the Colley Matrix is an officially recognized championship selector by the NCAA. This season they won't be able to rely on that poll. As of the second week of December they were ranked #7, as I recall. A few teams have lost that were ranked above them—OU, UGA and Notre Dame if memory serves—but Bama and Clemson had the #2 and #1 spots. Even with a win against LSU they'd still be looking up at two undefeated teams.

I've not looked at the other four computer polls. Heck, I don't know if they still exist

Which came first, the self-declaration they were national champions or the Colley Matrix?

 

[TerryP]

Which came first, the self-declaration they were national champions or the Colley Matrix?

The last poll reflects UGA with a two loss season. Week 16 had UGA #1, UCF #2.

I can't recall which came first (at least not the point I'd put money on when) but I do recall as soon as I heard their claim I found the rankings within a few minutes. And, I also recall it was after the CFP title game.

I suspect the poll led to the claim: only a suspicion.

 

[TUSKtimes]

The last poll reflects UGA with a two loss season. Week 16 had UGA #1, UCF #2.

I can't recall which came first (at least not the point I'd put money on when) but I do recall as soon as I heard their claim I found the rankings within a few minutes. And, I also recall it was after the CFP title game.

I suspect the poll led to the claim: only a suspicion.

January the 1st.



Colley Matrix poll: January the 9th.

 

[bamaledge]

AND they have an awesome trophy!

 

[rick4bama]

I saw a post on FB with the score on it. It was mostly toward Bama fans, saying we score more than 30's point on LSU. I was going to post on it, but FB refresh and I couldn't find it. I was going to post yes you did, but LSU didn't score on Bama!

 

[bamaledge]

I saw a post on FB with the score on it. It was mostly toward Bama fans, saying we score more than 30's point on LSU. I was going to post on it, but FB refresh and I couldn't find it. I was going to post yes you did, but LSU didn't score on Bama!

And LSU was without how many starters? 11 or 12

 

[rick4bama]

I saw a post on FB with the score on it. It was mostly toward Bama fans, saying we score more than 30's point on LSU. I was going to post on it, but FB refresh and I couldn't find it. I was going to post yes you did, but LSU didn't score on Bama!

And LSU was without how many starters? 11 or 12

Didn't a couple get ejected?

 

[252BAMA]

Good lord.

First, why in the world does an Alabama fan give a @#$# if Georgia didn't make the playoffs. Wake up, we are at war with Georgia, let them get their asses kicked by Texas tomorrow.

Second, how do you put a two loss team over an undefeated Notre Dame who played 2 non-P5 games.

Third, @###$ Georgia and their crying ass fans and Kirby.

Wish I had read this before I made my bets on the Sugar Bowl.

 

[sean]

I saw a post on FB with the score on it. It was mostly toward Bama fans, saying we score more than 30's point on LSU. I was going to post on it, but FB refresh and I couldn't find it. I was going to post yes you did, but LSU didn't score on Bama!

at the end of the game, when it's all said and done, the only part about the score differential that matters is who's ahead and who's behind. whether by 1 point or 100 points.....a win is a win. a win will get you the trophy, a loss will get you a long ride home.

Didn't a couple get ejected?

they had 8 starters out on defense alone (i think) and then 2 more got ejected. at one time they were playing receivers at cornerbacks just to help out.

and they STILL won the game.

ucf = overrated

they got beat by a team that BAMA beat. how do they think they'd fare against BAMA when a NC is on the line?

i wish ALL the teams from the sec would challenge them to a game. and ucf can pick the place. they keep saying how they'll play anyone, yet they don't step up when challenged by an sec team that isn't even in the top tier of the conference. so i say al the teams from sec should challenge them and try to get them to step up. then, all the teams from the acc can challenge them, then the big 12, then the big 10, then the pac 12. i wanna see how big they REALLY are after all that shit they talked. put up or shut up!

 

[OldPlayer]

Notre Dame should be left out of the playoffs from from now on until they are forced to join a conference or until they beat a top 5 team in the regular season.

FIFY.

 

[Rolltide24]

I bet Ole Miss, UT, and Arky really profited during this bowl season. No expenses whatsoever, unless you count winterizing the stadium and cable for their teams to watch other bowl games.

 

[planomateo]

Apparently Notre Dame would rather add a 13 game instead of join a conference. Financially a smart move Irish!

They better hope Brian gets an NFL job so they can easily part ways with him. They'll probably double-down on him and pay him to stay which would be a terrible idea if they want a shot at winning a natty or a major bowl game (1993 I'm looking at you Cotton Bowl)

 

[BAMAneck]

The ncaa does allow for a extra game if they were to play Hawaii , but that would do them no good ... or at least they use to allow it . I can remember BAMA did it one year when we weren’t bowl eligible.

If I’m not mistaken.

 

[planomateo]

I kind of wonder if he's being serious. I hope the NCAA calls their bluff.