🏈 Notre Dame QB Everett Golson transferring for final season (Yahoo Sports)

[TerryP]

@252BAMA From the link you posted:

Because Golson was suspended during the 2013 season, for what he called “poor academic judgement,” whichever school he chooses would have to submit a waiver to the league office. SEC bylaw 14.1.15.1, part d, clarifies the conference’s rules for graduate student exceptions: They may receive financial aid, practice and compete … so long as “the student-athlete has not been subject to official university or athletics department disciplinary action at any time during enrollment at any previous collegiate institution.”
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Grantland.com covering his future:

Still, as prospective recruits go, a guy with Golson’s track record remains a prize catch. Despite the initial speculation about Texas, the odds that he’ll wind up as a Longhorn are, well, long: Under NCAA rules, Notre Dame retains the right to block his transfer to specific schools, and is unlikely to sign off on a move that would put Golson on the opposing sideline in the season opener. Golson is also unlikely to land anywhere in the SEC, which requires a special waiver for graduate transfers who have a history of academic and/or disciplinary issues at their previous school, as Golson does; so much for murmurs about upstaging the aspiring starters at Alabama, LSU, or South Carolina, Golson’s home state. Of the potential destinations that have surfaced so far, the best fit would seem to be Florida State, which appears to be unencumbered by bureaucratic obstacles or an heir apparent to Jameis Winston.
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As you can see, still no reference to the two year clause.

We all know it existed at some point—I can't see these guys covering this being unaware of the rule passed either.

The question remains: why no reference to it IF it still remains in place.

I've surfed around briefly to see if it was rescinded or amended but haven't come across it mentioned, anywhere.

If you have the time, check out these results from a google search on the Bylaw 14.1.15.1 I will later on today or tomorrow. We're, or they're, missing something.

 

[TerryP]

Eric McKnight tried to transfer to UT last year with one year remaining in eligibility. Slive denied it, but not because of him only having one year left: disciplinary issues here as well.

Knoxville News.

 

[252BAMA]

@252BAMA From the link you posted:

Because Golson was suspended during the 2013 season, for what he called “poor academic judgement,” whichever school he chooses would have to submit a waiver to the league office. SEC bylaw 14.1.15.1, part d, clarifies the conference’s rules for graduate student exceptions: They may receive financial aid, practice and compete … so long as “the student-athlete has not been subject to official university or athletics department disciplinary action at any time during enrollment at any previous collegiate institution.”
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Grantland.com covering his future:

Still, as prospective recruits go, a guy with Golson’s track record remains a prize catch. Despite the initial speculation about Texas, the odds that he’ll wind up as a Longhorn are, well, long: Under NCAA rules, Notre Dame retains the right to block his transfer to specific schools, and is unlikely to sign off on a move that would put Golson on the opposing sideline in the season opener. Golson is also unlikely to land anywhere in the SEC, which requires a special waiver for graduate transfers who have a history of academic and/or disciplinary issues at their previous school, as Golson does; so much for murmurs about upstaging the aspiring starters at Alabama, LSU, or South Carolina, Golson’s home state. Of the potential destinations that have surfaced so far, the best fit would seem to be Florida State, which appears to be unencumbered by bureaucratic obstacles or an heir apparent to Jameis Winston.
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As you can see, still no reference to the two year clause.

We all know it existed at some point—I can't see these guys covering this being unaware of the rule passed either.

The question remains: why no reference to it IF it still remains in place.

I've surfed around briefly to see if it was rescinded or amended but haven't come across it mentioned, anywhere.

If you have the time, check out these results from a google search on the Bylaw 14.1.15.1 I will later on today or tomorrow. We're, or they're, missing something.

I don't believe it's been mentioned because in his case it is really a moot point. I also believe, with the Bylaw, the SEC has wound up with two rules. The transferee with two years of eligibility remaining has to meet a set of "standards". The transferee with less than two years of eligibility left has to meet a set of "criteria". Golson fails to meet either and it just so happens that the Bylaw is the one he is subject to.

 

[TheChief]

What a shame. I think he'd make quite a DB.

 

[TerryP]

I don't believe it's been mentioned because in his case it is really a moot point. I also believe, with the Bylaw, the SEC has wound up with two rules. The transferee with two years of eligibility remaining has to meet a set of "standards". The transferee with less than two years of eligibility left has to meet a set of "criteria". Golson fails to meet either and it just so happens that the Bylaw is the one he is subject to.

I'm not finding anything that supports this. IF it was the case, why is there a chance Miller transfers in? Why discussions of Golson going to UGA or UofSC? Someone, somewhere, would have said something about the two year clause, right?

Now, going back to the Solomon coverage: (Good god, the first sentence...geez!!! Who knew the SEC approved Friday?!?!)

SEC lifts ban on accepting graduate student transfers
May 30, 2014 5:27 pm ET
DESTIN, Fla. — The SEC approved Friday a change allowing graduate student transfers to play in the conference without going through a waiver process.

The NCAA adopted a rule in 2006 to allow athletes who graduate to transfer and play immediately as long as their new school has a graduate program the old school doesn't offer. The SEC applied the NCAA rule until 2011, when it opted out due to the backlash from Jeremiah Masoli's transfer to Ole Miss after getting off Oregon's team.

Now the SEC will allow schools to accept grad student transfers without a waiver if the transfers meet certain standards. Among the criteria for the transfer: always stayed eligible as an undergrad; no significant disciplinary issues at the old school; and earned all possible APR points. If a player doesn't meet those standards, a school can still go through the current process of seeking a waiver from the SEC office.

Once the transfer comes to an SEC school, the rule requires the player to make progress toward a graduate degree. If that doesn't happen, the university won't be able to apply the grad-student exception in that athlete's sport for three years.

“We want people to make progress and be evaluated academically on their campuses while they're competing rather than show up and play and leave,” SEC Executive Commissioner Greg Sankey said.

South Carolina proposed the SEC rule change in large part for competitive purposes.

“I think if somebody has already graduated college, they've already proven they're good, quality people, and if you do more background checking, I'd be supportive of it,” South Carolina president Harris Pastides said.

Florida president Bernie Machen opposes the NCAA rule allowing immediate eligibility at a new school if a player graduates. Florida has recently added two high-profile graduate transfers: Virginia football player Jake McGee and Michigan basketball player Jon Horford.

“If they really wanted to transfer somewhere else, they should sit out a year,” Machen said. “Why didn't Horford stay at Michigan another year? Because he had a free pass.”

When asked why not give athletes the flexibility to transfer once they've accomplished the goal of graduating, Machen replied, “Go to grad school at Michigan. They have some pretty good grad schools. … It's really just a way for a school to fill a void at the very last minute, or a player going to get more playing time without having to sit out.”

 

[Bamabww]

May 9, 2015

Golson transfer creates even more buzz around SEC

Cecil Hurt
TideSports.com Columnist

There was already plenty of buzz on the transfer topic, but Everett Golson's announcement that he would transfer from Notre Dame has thrown the doors wide open for discussion about the college football version of free agency: the market for post-graduate quarterbacks. That includes both the philosophical debate - should post-graduate transfers be allowed immediate eligibility? - and the more concrete details of which teams, exactly, are likely to welcome a quarterback for the short term.

Alabama certainly seems to be weighing such a move. It would be unlikely to involve Golson, which has nothing to do with the fact that he didn't play well in the January 2013 BCS Championship game.

Braxton Miller might be a different matter.

Some people insist that there is a strong chance that Alabama will wind up with Miller on its roster. Others insist that Miller is not leaving Ohio State no matter how many quarterbacks Urban Meyer has on hand.

They back their contention by saying that Miller has remained involved with the Buckeyes through the spring. He will be participating in a youth camp in South Carolina next weekend, but before anyone reads too much into a trip to the sunny side of the Mason-Dixon Line, the camp includes other Ohio State players and is run by a former Ohio high school football coach. (Thanks to the Eleven Warriors website, which focuses on Ohio State, for this information.) Still, it might be an opportune time for some lucky soul in the Hilton Head area to at least ask Miller about his intentions.

Until then, we are left with Nick Saban's semi-answer to a semi-question that he was asked a couple of weeks ago about one-year transfers in general, without Miller (or Golson, for that matter) being mentioned specifically.

That answer was "it would have to be the right person at the right position." That wasn't an invitation, but it didn't exactly close the door either. It's likely that Saban will be asked about the topic again this week, with three media opportunities, including an SEC teleconference, on his schedule. So perhaps we'll have less mystery on the topic in the coming week.

The Golson move made something else clear. Alabama isn't the only team in the SEC, or in the country, that is weighing its quarterback options. In the SEC alone, Golson's name has been connected with Alabama, which is doubtful at best, but with LSU, Florida, Georgia and South Carolina as well. Yes, there is a phrase in the SEC graduate transfer rule that cites "official disciplinary issues" as a possible road block, but Golson resolved his academic issue at Notre Dame and it seems likely that the SEC office would grant a waiver, if it came to that.

There are two points to take from this. First, there are quite a few SEC teams that feel more than a little shaky about their quarterbacks less than four months from the season opener. The second point follows from the first: the concept of "rebuilding season" is vanishing, if it isn't extinct already.

That's not just a "crazy Alabama fan" thing. (Admittedly, there are some who consider last year's SEC championship season as "rebuilding.) It's true everywhere.

The competition is too stiff, and the money at stake is too large, for coaches to get any leeway, unless they are new coaches.

Bret Bielema got some time, but will now face expectations at Arkansas. Jim McElwain will get some time at Florida, but not a lot. Few coaches want to rely on the soothing effects of "wait until next year." So if there is an upgrade available, coaches are going to try and obtain one, especially at the most critical position. You will see that with Golson - and possibly others as well.

 

[planomateo]

Poor Texas...sarcasm. If he graduates, how does ND have a say in the matter...

 

[mrchase]

Cecil Hurt tweeted earlier that having Golson play for SOS would be the same as throwing ammonia on a diesel fire. Hmm, if that's the case, then I definitely would like to see him end up there...IF the SEC breaks its own rule, which I hope they don't.



What concerns me is how many more 5* QBs are going to give Bama a second look when Saban keeps bringing transfers in to play.

We've done fairly decent without 5* QB's

 

[jlabit]

Today's Pensacola News Journal has him going to the Florida State Seminoles. I don't care, as long as he stays away from Bama. We have the talent already there in Tuscaloosa. Develop it.

 

[UAgrad93]

I sorta felt like the EG to SEC schools was more smoke screen than anything. I expected an ACC school to be in the mix like F$U, Clemson, or NC State.

 

[alabama mike]

Just don't come to T town.

 

[planomateo]

LOL. So let me get this straight, Saban has expressed time and time again about making good decisions and not turning the ball over....and we're supposedly interested in Golson. I'll call bullshit.

 

[BamaFan334]

We have three quarterbacks on campus better than him. This is just good ole offseason speculation. Gotta have something to talk about I guess.

 

[sean]

isn't there a way to bury this way down deep, like maybe in another part of the forum, under the heading of "who gives a shit what this guy does?"

i absolutely abhor stories like this that are nothing.....NOTHING..... but speculation.

the only ones i see talking are those that don't know shit. and those that do know, ain't sayin' shit.

i say if it doesn't concern ALABAMA FOOTBALL, then it doesn't belong in this forum.

sorry for the bitterness, i'm just tired of stories like this.

 

[bama alum]

isn't there a way to bury this way down deep, like maybe in another part of the forum, under the heading of "who gives a shit what this guy does?"

i absolutely abhor stories like this that are nothing.....NOTHING..... but speculation.

the only ones i see talking are those that don't know shit. and those that do know, ain't sayin' shit.

i say if it doesn't concern ALABAMA FOOTBALL, then it doesn't belong in this forum.

sorry for the bitterness, i'm just tired of stories like this.

I'm more interested in the del Rio to Florida stories than this.

 

[MissingRing]

It seems to me that before we talk about the merits of Golson as a QB or as a transfer candidate, we should ask why Alabama needs (or is thought to need) an additional competitor for the QB position. The five candidates currently on the roster were selected and developed by Nick Saban (or by members of his coaching staff). Each of them has, to my knowledge, bought into the process and has worked diligently to improve. If I am Cooper Bateman, David Cornwell, Alec Morris or any of the other incumbents, I am going to question the fairness of bringing in yet another transferee at the 11th hour.

 

[TerryP]

@MissingRing How is it sny diffrent than bringing a JUCO offensive lineman in with 15 or so on scholarsip?

 

[planomateo]

@MissingRing How is it sny diffrent than bringing a JUCO offensive lineman in with 15 or so on scholarsip?

Or signing a new class for that matter and a true freshman gets the nod.

 

[TerryP]

I'm more interested in the del Rio to Florida stories than this.

Coker, Mettenberger, Wilson, Newton, Masoli...everyone of these guys had an impact pretty darn quickly. Mett was year two, we're still sitting here with questions about Coker.

Have you see the story behind Jake Rudock? He's more than capable of an immediate impact at Michigan. Del Rio with Coach Mac is truly interesting.

It's my opinion people here aren't giving Golson a fair shake.

I'm not discounting the fumbling: it has to be weighed in.

Consider this. We're not even a season removed from Blake setting new records at Bama, right? He finished the season 252 of 391 attempts, 28 TD's versus 10 INT's. Last season Golson finished 256 of 427 attempts, 29 TD's vs 14 INT's. Blake did have a higher completion percentage (+4.5) and threw for around 50 more yards on the season.

@BamaFan334 Earlier you made the comment about the Tide having three QB's on the roster better than Golson. No. We don't. That's one season I touched on there. He's started all about one game in the last two seasons he was eligible. Take a minute and look up his bio on the Notre Dame site. He's set numerous records for the Irish.

With talent around him, good coaching at the QB position, and what he brings to the field experience wise...

 

[UAgrad93]

If the waiver is allowed, maybe EG could limit those TOs with proper coaching. The turnovers could have been more of him thinking he had to do it alone as opposed to having the necessary talent.