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HOOVER — Alabama has struggled under first-year baseball coach Greg Goff.

Greg Byrne:

“Obviously it’s not a year that anybody wants,” Byrne said Wednesday at the Regions Tradition Pro-Am at the Greystone Golf and Country Club in Hoover. “At the same time, too, I like the effort the kids have continued to make, and I know the coaches have been out there recruiting, and that’s what you want them to do.”

But Byrne remains supportive of Goff — the last coaching hire his predecessor Bill Battle made before retiring.

“For all of our sports, we want to compete for championships — baseball included,” Byrne said. “I know how passionate our fan base is. That’s what separates us from our competition and makes us so special. … This year’s not the year we wanted to have at all, but at the same time, I like the steps we’re taking moving forward to give us the best opportunity to succeed long term.”


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Since I have learned about the scholarship limitations for our state as opposed to the other SEC schools around us, I have little hope for our baseball program.

Short of spending lemedy million dollars on an unbelievable coach that can squeeze every ounce of talent out of our players, OR we get a huge name coach that can really recruit the best of the best for our limited amount of schollies, I don't think we are ever going to acquire elite status in this sport. I hate it, I want Bama to be good at everything we do, but this is truly an uphill battle. We need a lottery or something in order to get our program on par with the amount of talent at other SEC schools.
 
Since I have learned about the scholarship limitations for our state as opposed to the other SEC schools around us, I have little hope for our baseball program.

Short of spending lemedy million dollars on an unbelievable coach that can squeeze every ounce of talent out of our players, OR we get a huge name coach that can really recruit the best of the best for our limited amount of schollies, I don't think we are ever going to acquire elite status in this sport. I hate it, I want Bama to be good at everything we do, but this is truly an uphill battle. We need a lottery or something in order to get our program on par with the amount of talent at other SEC schools.
Oh my goodness! You better watch your mouth. Lottery! Next thing you will say something like we should raise property taxes or add a tax on stuff to help our public education in Alabama. Really I agree with you 100%. Too many bible beaters in Alabama for that to ever pass.
 
I agree that a lottery here will likely NEVER pass in my lifetime. Meanwhile, the surrounding states will continue to see a heavy flow of Alabama money flooding their convenience stores buying up lottery tickets.

The 11.7 number has always perplexed me. How in the BLUE HELL did the NCAA arrive at that number? When I coached HS baseball, I had a super talented kid that wanted a shot at baseball in college. I called all around trying to get the kid a look. One coach explained to me that because of the numbers, they never offer a "full ride". If the kid is that good, they will never see him anyway since he will be drafted within the first 8 rounds of the MLB draft and never set foot on campus. The kid had a full ride in basketball and that coach suggested he take the bball scholly and that he would call their baseball coach and let them know they had a talent on the court. The kid was a 2 sport player his last 3 years!!
 
Since I have learned about the scholarship limitations for our state as opposed to the other SEC schools around us, I have little hope for our baseball program.

Short of spending lemedy million dollars on an unbelievable coach that can squeeze every ounce of talent out of our players, OR we get a huge name coach that can really recruit the best of the best for our limited amount of schollies, I don't think we are ever going to acquire elite status in this sport. I hate it, I want Bama to be good at everything we do, but this is truly an uphill battle. We need a lottery or something in order to get our program on par with the amount of talent at other SEC schools.


Exactly. Having to give partial scholarships to outfielders and reserve pitchers puts us at a competitive disadvantage with every other state that has lottery-backed non-athletic scholarships to give out to "qualifying" baseball players.

Fuck Title IX in the ass for this bullshit.
 
Here's one fan's opinion.

  • One of the biggest draws to playing at Alabama and in the SEC as opposed Jameis Winston 2017-05-19 12:25:20
    to riding the buses of the Minor Leagues right out HS, taking a 100% scholarship to a JUCO school or perhaps more money to a school like Troy, USA, Southern Miss is the amenities. The luxurious locker rooms, clubhouse, hitting cages, weight rooms, etc...FLYING to most weekend series that are not a short drive, having all your games on TV many of them on national TV, experiencing the culture of a major 4-year school including the football atmosphere and such...

    Well not that stuff applies at places like Montavello, Campbell and Louisiana Tech so the type kids you recruit and coach and the things you can do are much different, if simply only because of the limited resources.

    What are some things Goff does, though?

    Makes our players "earn the clubhouse."
    Absurd stupid rules that are not important to baseball and go against basic accepted work/life balance.
    Buses everywhere (will be interesting to see if charters a flight to Texas A&M/Arkansas/etc next year)
    Goff is a afraid of flying, so he avoids it as much as he possibly can (another reason for our 20-game homestand to open this season, which backfired on him)
    Then he rides the players azzs for wearing Khaki shorts instead of pants on these long bus rides.
    One trip - he didn't even rent a sleeper bus where the kids could at least stretch out, lay down, sleep.

    *He has been withholding their meal money instead finding other ways to feed them all at once

    He and staff have been slow to call/get in touch with several of our players who are out with medical issues if he call at all.

    He has ridiculed a couple players who got 2-strike doubles because they didn't choke up and try to hit away with 2-strike counts as he essentially demands (which usually just results in a ground out)

    He overall runs the program like little league and there are various examples:
    1) The before-mentioned 2-strike approach of choking up on the bat and just making contact. Sure there are times that is good but not ALL the time, especially when you're a power hitter. Strike outs happen. Deal with it.

    2) The not letting the infield throw the ball around/catcher throwing to 1B/3B after a strike out with no runners on. (That is so weird)

    3) The emphasis on bunting/advancing runners and beeing overly aggressive on the basepaths and on dirtballs - again that smallball approach becomes less and less effective as you keep getting to higher levels. Yes it works great in Little League...and HS and even tiny small schools were pitchers have less command and catchers aren't as good and you have kids with speed they can really take advantage of such.

    Various instances of having all the players write a letter and sign it affirming they are "all-in."

    He's overused pitchers for sure several times this season perhaps none as overtly irresponsible as when he brought in Garrett Suchey for Gm 3 vs Auburn after he had throw 65ish pitches THE DAY BEFORE.

    I could keep going on this tangent for hours but I'll just stop now.
 
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Guys, I have been a member on this site when it started with the old site. Rarely do I post, however, I just wanted to make a few points regarding the Greg Goff hiring and current situation. I apologize for the length.

First off, I was fortunate enough to get to play some college baseball myself. I had several teammates that played for Coach Goff at Montevallo, and I was actually recruited and offered a scholarship to play for Coach Goff. I spent many visits watching him conduct practices, workouts, etc. I played baseball my whole life. In fact, it was all I knew growing up as a coach's son. I was blessed to play on some great teams with some extraordinary players. I was on Clay-Chalkville's championship team, and played summer ball with guys that had extremely successful careers In the SEC and even professionally.

I say all that to explain a few things. First, championship caliber coaches have the "it" factor. Simply look at Nick Saban. The most successful coaches I have ever been around push you to the fringe of questioning if you were cut out to play this game. During the off season you are truly mentally and physically broken. You question everything you ever loved about the sport. Is it even worth it anymore?? If you can push yourself through this adversity, and help carry your teammates then you will soon begin to see the magic unfolding. It's not easy, it's honestly some of the hardest times I have ever endured in my life. But once you survive, you soon realize if I can make it through that I can handle any situation thrown at me. The bottom of the ninth in a tied game is a cake walk comparatively speaking. Teammates trust and have confidence that the next man up will get the job done. Situations like that instill a certain level of discipline, respect, and loyalty. A camaraderie is created that will never be taken away. It becomes an expectation. Those great coaches set a specific standard. You are held to that standard on and off the field. It is your job as a player to buy into that standard, play to that standard, and help the new comers believe in that standard. It cultivates a selfless desire and mentality to do anything asked to benefit the team. This approach is what Coach Goff brings to Alabama. His style is not for those that like to be coddled or stroked.

I currently live in Louisville, Ky. During my time here I have gone to several Louisville games. Three years ago I watched Louisville host Alabama. In no way am I bashing Coach Gaspard, but simply comparing the two coaching philosophies. During the game I noticed Alabama's players walking on and off the field. This was something that was not tolerated when I played. In fact, we practiced sprinting back and forth from our positions to the dugout. It was done out of respect to the game of baseball. The other thing that caught my attention was cross talk between Alabama players on deck with the opposing fans. There was ample laughing and carrying on. This really took me by surprise. It looked as if there was a total lack of discipline and concentration. Needless to say Alabama was swept that series. I mention this because it is an excellent example of where Alabama baseball lied. A cultivation of mediocrity.

It has been expressed on here that Coach Goff does not allow facial hair, and the players cannot eat with their families after games. Wow. I don't know how to even respond to that. Does the most historic franchise (Yankees) in all of baseball not have a zero facial hair policy? If it is good enough for them I think it will be ok for Alabama. This rule is set forward not to be a dictator, but It carries a much deeper meaning. It instills discipline and respect. It establishes a team first environment not an individual mentslity. Also, I am willing to bet Coach Saban has his players eating as a team. Players do not need their mommas doting and patting them on the back because they didn't have their best game.

If you do any research on Coach Goff you will find the man has had success at every stop. He was an assistant at the University of Kentucky. The man knows what an SEC player looks like. He led Montevallo to its first ever college World Series appearance. In his last two years at Montevallo he won over 40 games. He won over 40 games at Campbell in 2012, 2013, and 2014. The program had never won 40 games in a single season in the history of its existence. Coach Goff further led La Tech to a 40 win season and To their first NCAA appearance in 29 years. For those that say Montevallo, Campbell, and La Tech is not Alabama, your right. If the man can recruit and win at those previous stops he most certainly can win at Alabama. Alabama will give him an abudance of resources. Resources and money that none of those previous stops could provide.

Lastly, I can honestly say there are not many SEC caliber players on our roster. There is a vast difference in talent on any successful SEC baseball team and our current roster.

Only time will tell what Coach Goff is capable of accomplishing at Alabama. I for one, believe when he is given the opportunity to get his recruits and cultivate a winning standard many will be excited about the direction of the program. Sorry for the long post.
 
14 hours ago via Mobile


Mayham84 Great post defending Coach Goff! I am not going to praise or slam him. Just saying what I know to be true.
First of all I lettered two years at Bama playing baseball and was a head baseball coach in high school for 26 years. All that means nothing for what is going on now.
We are not the New York Yankees! That comment means nothing! I talked to Coach Battle at our annual A-Club meeting a few weeks ago. I asked him how many of our football players could play baseball for Coach Goff? With their facial hair, mustaches and long hair? He just shook his head. I then asked him about discipline on the football team. He then acknowledged my point.
I have been to several games where he has embarrassed players in front of every one. This is uncalled for.
Then in the LSU series he called an alumni baseball gathering on the Saturday game. All Alumni were to meet him at the tent on the left field deck. Coach Goff never showed up! This is no way to run a program or get support from former players. Remember he called the reunion!
Coach Goff will be back next year I hope for everyone it will get better.
Lastly I don't care what happened before he got here ( although I heard Campbell is getting put on probation for something that happened under his watch ) I only care about getting BAMA back to where it belongs in SEC baseball!
ROLL TIDE ROLL!
 
My whole point with those is there's a lot of people upset right now. There are posts here and there talking about giving him three years. In baseball terms I think that's a legitimate time frame. I don't feel to good about Goff.
 
Just as a comparison, Coach Bryant didn't allow facial hair (or longer hair). We pushed the limit on head hair, but never on facial hair.
Charley Pell refers to those days as "the dark ages." That quote is from 35 years ago.

''But the 1960's were a tough time. I remember being at Kentucky as an assistant and we had a hair coach, usually the guy who was the most liberal on the staff. He checked the players to make sure their hair wasn't getting too long. That seems like the dark ages now.''
We're also talking about a period of time where coaches didn't allow athletes water breaks. How antiquated does that seem today?

While it's very true Coach Bryant, and a lot of other coaches, had rules in place for hair (among other things) the world they lived in, compared to the world today, are light years apart.

It's just been in the past few years we saw Don Mattingly set a policy for no facial hair for the Marlins--it lasted a total of one season as I recall.

Goff, assuming he's following others examples and his mind set is similar, is trying to create a different atmosphere around the program. I get that. If he doesn't want his players--those of legal age, mind you--going out and having a beer with friends that's his call. I'm left with one main thought: these are baseball players, they aren't what we call "athletes."

I caught a line in a report this morning stating "the Tide has only been swept six of seven series." Only. :smh:
 
It's simple, Mitch brought in pitching and defense and Goff's crew is offensive minded.

Recruiting pitching and coaching that pitching is sort of an art for somebody who has that in his bones; in many cases a terrible collegiate pitcher is somebody who hasn't connected with a coach who has a vision for how that guy can excel. The Yankees are in my blood, but I am sure many people on here connect with Tom Glavine--with Tom did you ever have the sense that if it were not for his successful thought process that he just could flat-out not be successful at the level. Now there are many guys not like that--the guy who won a game with a no-hitter on LSD for the Pirates walking about 9 guys and unable to see the batters would be an example, but it's hard to recruit players with incredible talent when you've got the worst home environment in your division and it's been a minute so to speak since your old facilities issues killed your brand.
 
If the comments about the way Goff ridicules his players and publicly calls them out are true, I'm all for firing him right now. That is one thing I cannot stand. The Tide indeed has few SEC caliber players. However, what I saw early in the season when I was still watching was poor fundamental baseball. That doesn't take SEC caliber talent.

Do other teams in the state of Alabama have the lottery? How's Auburn doing this season? Did Alabama lose to other teams in the state?

I give him another season, and we can talk about who will be hired. I'm too old to watch baseball the way it's being played in Tuscaloosa. @16Champs My wife bought me MLB Extra Innings so I can watch the Yanks, and I've done so (every game but one - blacked out from Cincinnati - what's up with that?).
 
Just as in football, many coaches are saved because the school can't afford to fire him. While he isn't making Saban money, the baseball budget can't afford to pay him (and assistants) along with a new coach (and assistants). If Alabama makes the turn next season, everyone will be saying "I wasn't sure, but his methods are paying off."
 
If Alabama makes the turn next season, everyone will be saying "I wasn't sure, but his methods are paying off."
Count me in that group of "I'm not sure what he's doing."

@TheChief has a valid point here. No matter if there is, or isn't, SEC talent on the roster that does nothing to excuse, or explain, some very fundamental mistakes this team has made all year long.

One thing I do know. He's alienated the alums and that doesn't sit well with me--at all.
 
One thing I do know. He's alienated the alums and that doesn't sit well with me--at all.

Has that ever worked out for any coach, at any institution, in any sport?

Rhetorical, I know, but that has to be the dumbest thing any coach can do. The only way I can see that being a good thing is in the case of a university being in trouble from the previous coaching staff (see Baylor).
 
Has that ever worked out for any coach, at any institution, in any sport?
Not that I know of; anyone?

@planomateo and I discussed this "off-line" a few weeks ago. It's not a good look to have former players taking their complaints to social media (in this case, Twitter.) I'm of the ilk where if there's something that doesn't sit well with me I'm taking up with that person--not spreading it for one and all to see.

In the end, despite the lack of judgment from the formers players, the fact remains. There was a weekend set up for former players to return to Tuscaloosa to spend some time with the team and coaches. The later failed to live up to what I expect from a coach at Alabama.
 
I agree that a lottery here will likely NEVER pass in my lifetime. Meanwhile, the surrounding states will continue to see a heavy flow of Alabama money flooding their convenience stores buying up lottery tickets.
All except Mississippi, they're getting their flow of Alabama money from their Kratom sales, where it's still legal. :devil:
 
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