| FTBL National Championships---How Many?
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Depends on one's definition of consensus. Mine would be any year with five or more listings by the various organizations that named a NC. This link shows all years that any organization named Bama NC. Based om my definition of consensus, Bama would have 12. However it would not be the 12 that the school claims. It would drop 1941, which is a joke to claim, and it would add 1966, which absolutely should not be left off ANY list of Bama NC's.
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/alabama/all_national_champs.php
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/alabama/all_national_champs.php
Consensus doesn't really matter to me because of the flaws in the polls, especially those in the early days of football. The final polls occurred after the bowl season, most of them had severe regional bias (i.e. the exclusion of Bama in 66' in favor of lesser record ND and MSU), and the fact that there were so many of them. If consensus did matter, we would only have 3 and everyone else would have much less than their count too. Good thing it doesn't because Aubie would then be able to claim their 2004 Golf Digest crown.
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Hmmm We claim 12, the rest of the world claims we have ... i forget,
But the sad thing is if we claim all our 12, gotta give auburn credit for thier 1
But the sad thing is if we claim all our 12, gotta give auburn credit for thier 1
seancallahan said:
Auburn has one, made back in the 1957.
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I thought we had 6 legit titles
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Yeah, I think it's 6 (AP) titles, but 12 if you go back and look at the early ones.
252BAMA said:
Auburn split with ND that year. And for the love, never make me go back to http://auburntigers.cstv.com/trads/aub-trads.html to factcheck.
BarnBurner said:
No, they split with Ohio State. My point about ND was that when they beat Oklahoma, that MADE Auburn the NC.
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/ohio_state/all_national_champs.php
the barn has 0
Alabama Polytechnic Institute has 1 in 1957
Alabama Polytechnic Institute has 1 in 1957
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OxfordBamaFan said:
1957
Auburn: AP, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Williamson
Michigan St.: Billingsley, Dunkel, Sagarin
Ohio St.: Boand, DeVold, FW, INS, Litkenhous, UPI
Oklahoma: Berryman
The college was renamed the Alabama Polytechnic Institute (API) in 1899. In 1960, its name was officially changed to Auburn University
from thier own site and wikipedia so if they want to take any of ours away...1957 gets awarded to API
from thier own site and wikipedia so if they want to take any of ours away...1957 gets awarded to API
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Yep but they also have thisOxfordBamaFan said:
1983
Auburn : FACT*, Football Research, NY Times
Miami (Fla.): AP, Billingsley, Dunkel, FB News, FW, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN
Nebraska: Berryman, DeVold, FACT*, Litkenhous, Matthews, Poling, Sagarin
1913
Auburn: Billingsley
Chicago: Parke Davis*
Harvard: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*
But if they wana claim stuff like that then we got
19 national championships
http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html
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CrimsonPirate
College Football Data Warehouse lists Bama with 11, excluding the 1941 team. Auburn has one.
To me, a consensus title would mean that both the Coaches' Poll and the AP agreed on who was the champion. Before these polls came into existence, champions were named, based on whatever the criteria of the day was. Since 1998, the BCS system has named the NC, no matter what Southern Cal says.
Any championship after 1950 (when the UP/Coaches' Poll began) that does not include both the AP and Coaches' Polls can't be considered consensus. We had at least three such titles during Coach Bryant's tenure.
Bama's claiming a title in 1966, although well-deserved, would be like Auburn claiming the People's National Championship in 2004.
That said, I'll say Bama has 8 consensus championships and 3 split titles.
To me, a consensus title would mean that both the Coaches' Poll and the AP agreed on who was the champion. Before these polls came into existence, champions were named, based on whatever the criteria of the day was. Since 1998, the BCS system has named the NC, no matter what Southern Cal says.
Any championship after 1950 (when the UP/Coaches' Poll began) that does not include both the AP and Coaches' Polls can't be considered consensus. We had at least three such titles during Coach Bryant's tenure.
Bama's claiming a title in 1966, although well-deserved, would be like Auburn claiming the People's National Championship in 2004.
That said, I'll say Bama has 8 consensus championships and 3 split titles.
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In fairness to our neighbors at the cow college across the state, they were (shock) on probation in 1957. As I recall the UPI excluded them from NC consideration because of that. API would probably have been a near unanimous national champ except for the probation.
As far as ours go, we were consensus in 1961. In 1964 it was decided that the NC would be selected before the bowls. We were undefeated and won that year even though we lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl. (Namath still swears that he scored in the 4th quarter and we actually won.) In 1965 the powers that be decided to have their final poll after the bowls. We had a loss to Georgia on a controversial play and a tie with Tennessee and weren't really thinking NC going into the bowls. We were ranked 4th going in but thrashed Nebraska and everyone ahead of us lost, so we won it all in 1965 as well. Everyone knows we were shafted in 1966. That team was better than either 1964 or 1965. The 1978 team was 11-1 and USC tried to claim a share of it, but the pollsters gave it to us, and the 1979 team ran the table to win it all again. 1992 was a consensus NC as well, which gives us six in this era. I think that the school still claims 1973, but not too strongly. The other NCs that we claim go back to the earlier era of the game, when often the winner of the Rose Bowl was considered the champion.
As far as ours go, we were consensus in 1961. In 1964 it was decided that the NC would be selected before the bowls. We were undefeated and won that year even though we lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl. (Namath still swears that he scored in the 4th quarter and we actually won.) In 1965 the powers that be decided to have their final poll after the bowls. We had a loss to Georgia on a controversial play and a tie with Tennessee and weren't really thinking NC going into the bowls. We were ranked 4th going in but thrashed Nebraska and everyone ahead of us lost, so we won it all in 1965 as well. Everyone knows we were shafted in 1966. That team was better than either 1964 or 1965. The 1978 team was 11-1 and USC tried to claim a share of it, but the pollsters gave it to us, and the 1979 team ran the table to win it all again. 1992 was a consensus NC as well, which gives us six in this era. I think that the school still claims 1973, but not too strongly. The other NCs that we claim go back to the earlier era of the game, when often the winner of the Rose Bowl was considered the champion.
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CrimsonPirate
Here's CFDW's list of our NCs:
1925 10-0-0
1926 9-0-1
1930 10-0-0
1934 10-0-0
1961 11-0-0
1964 10-1-0
1965 9-1-1*
1973 11-1-0*
1978 11-1-0*
1979 12-0-0
1992 13-0-0
*Denotes "split" NC
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/index.php
If Auburn claims 1957, when the UPI didn't consider them because of probation, why wouldn't they claim 1983 when the UPI did vote for them?
1925 10-0-0
1926 9-0-1
1930 10-0-0
1934 10-0-0
1961 11-0-0
1964 10-1-0
1965 9-1-1*
1973 11-1-0*
1978 11-1-0*
1979 12-0-0
1992 13-0-0
*Denotes "split" NC
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/index.php
If Auburn claims 1957, when the UPI didn't consider them because of probation, why wouldn't they claim 1983 when the UPI did vote for them?
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