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š Manziel being investigated by NCAA
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If you get the reference, this is pretty damn funny!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>It's possible Johnny Manziel is just an extremely athletic Gob Bluth.</p>— sir broosk (@celebrityhottub) <a href="https://twitter.com/celebrityhottub/statuses/364141641151414273">August 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>It's possible Johnny Manziel is just an extremely athletic Gob Bluth.</p>— sir broosk (@celebrityhottub) <a href="https://twitter.com/celebrityhottub/statuses/364141641151414273">August 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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MIAMI -- The NCAA is investigating whether Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel was paid for signing hundreds of autographs on photos and sports memorabilia in January, "Outside the Lines" has learned. Two sources tell "Outside the Lines" that the Texas A&M quarterback agreed to sign memorabilia in exchange for a five-figure flat fee during his trip to Miami for the Discover BCS National Championship. Both sources said they witnessed the signing, though neither saw the actual exchange of money.
Three sources said Manziel signed photographs, footballs, mini football helmets and other items at the request of an autograph broker named Drew Tieman. Two sources, who are aware of the signing arrangement, told "Outside the Lines" that Tieman approached Manziel on Jan. 6, when he landed at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to attend the game between Alabama and Notre Dame the next day.
After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman's residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room. Before Manziel left South Florida, after taking in the title game, he signed hundreds of autographs more, one source said.
The source also told "Outside the Lines" that James Garland, the NCAA's assistant director of enforcement, in June contacted Tieman and at least one person associated with the signings. The source said Garland, who did not return calls from "Outside the Lines" for comment, told the person that he wanted to talk about Manziel signing items that had appeared for sale on eBay. An NCAA spokeswoman cited NCAA policy to "Outside the Lines" and declined to comment.
If the NCAA investigation finds that Manziel has violated NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service -- he could be ruled ineligible.
Attempts to reach Manziel were unsuccessful. Tieman did not return multiple calls and text messages. Fitch could not be reached.
In a statement, Jason Cook, Texas A&M's senior associate athletics director for external affairs, said "it is Texas A&M's longstanding practice not to respond to such questions concerning specific student-athletes."
Texas A&M declined further comment.
But A&M has responded to questions about Manziel and autographs before. On March 6, when ESPN.com contacted the school's compliance director, David Batson, to address a slew of Manziel-signed items that had flooded the memorabilia market, Batson provided a statement:
"Johnny has indicated on numerous occasions and, once again earlier today, that he has never (and to his knowledge, his parents, other relatives and friends have ever) been compensated through cash or other benefits or promises of deferred compensation for providing his autograph," Batson wrote.
While college athletes are frequently asked to sign autographs in public places, and those autographs often end up for sale on eBay, the amount of Manziel product that flooded the memorabilia market overall following the BCS title game was overwhelming, memorabilia dealers told "Outside the Lines."
While Manziel's father, Paul, had alleged that many of the items were fake, two of the leading autograph authentication companies, PSA/DNA and JSA, have authenticated many of the items. Officials with both companies have told ESPN in recent months that they stand by their guarantee that they believe the signatures, some with inscriptions like "Gig 'Em" and "Heisman '12" are genuine. Online verification databases show a single lot of 999 signed Manziel photos numbered sequentially. JSA authenticated 248 items and 376 items that came in in two batches that also are numbered sequentially. Industry insiders say this indicates the signings were done in large quantities intended for wholesale.
Calls and messages to Paul Manziel were not returned.
Even though Manziel is not allowed to generate income from his signature, the Manziel family has sought to protect Johnny's business affairs by starting a corporation, JMAN2 Enterprises, which in February filed for the trademark to use "Johnny Football" when he was ready to leave the college game.
The value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.
The school has committed to renovating Kyle Field, which will push seating capacity to 102,500 by the time it is completed in 2015. Texas A&M officials have said that donors, who make annual contributions of $80,000 to $100,000, have purchased all but two of the 144 suites in the stadium.
In the school's first year in the SEC last season, Manziel led the Aggies to an 11-2 season and a top-five finish for the first time since 1956. He and his teammates are scheduled to report Sunday afternoon for the 2013-14 season. He is scheduled to address the media Monday.
Manziel's offseason has drawn heavy media scrutiny. In the past few months, he has been spotted in the front row at NBA games, hanging out with rappers at bars, and has written various headline-starting tweets, including one in which he said he couldn't wait to leave College Station -- the home of Texas A&M. He also was sent home early from the Manning Passing Academy last month.
Paul Manziel recently told ESPN The Magazine that he doesn't like how the school hasn't protected the family from the NCAA and how he believes that school administrators put their motives above his son's well-being.
"It's starting to get under our skin," he said. "They're so selfish."
Manziel also acknowledged that he was concerned about his son's drinking and how he is dealing with celebrity.
"Yeah, it could all come unraveled," Johnny's father told The Magazine. "And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad."
Justine Gubar is a producer in ESPN's enterprise unit.
Three sources said Manziel signed photographs, footballs, mini football helmets and other items at the request of an autograph broker named Drew Tieman. Two sources, who are aware of the signing arrangement, told "Outside the Lines" that Tieman approached Manziel on Jan. 6, when he landed at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to attend the game between Alabama and Notre Dame the next day.
After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman's residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room. Before Manziel left South Florida, after taking in the title game, he signed hundreds of autographs more, one source said.
The source also told "Outside the Lines" that James Garland, the NCAA's assistant director of enforcement, in June contacted Tieman and at least one person associated with the signings. The source said Garland, who did not return calls from "Outside the Lines" for comment, told the person that he wanted to talk about Manziel signing items that had appeared for sale on eBay. An NCAA spokeswoman cited NCAA policy to "Outside the Lines" and declined to comment.
If the NCAA investigation finds that Manziel has violated NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service -- he could be ruled ineligible.
Attempts to reach Manziel were unsuccessful. Tieman did not return multiple calls and text messages. Fitch could not be reached.
In a statement, Jason Cook, Texas A&M's senior associate athletics director for external affairs, said "it is Texas A&M's longstanding practice not to respond to such questions concerning specific student-athletes."
Texas A&M declined further comment.
But A&M has responded to questions about Manziel and autographs before. On March 6, when ESPN.com contacted the school's compliance director, David Batson, to address a slew of Manziel-signed items that had flooded the memorabilia market, Batson provided a statement:
"Johnny has indicated on numerous occasions and, once again earlier today, that he has never (and to his knowledge, his parents, other relatives and friends have ever) been compensated through cash or other benefits or promises of deferred compensation for providing his autograph," Batson wrote.
While college athletes are frequently asked to sign autographs in public places, and those autographs often end up for sale on eBay, the amount of Manziel product that flooded the memorabilia market overall following the BCS title game was overwhelming, memorabilia dealers told "Outside the Lines."
While Manziel's father, Paul, had alleged that many of the items were fake, two of the leading autograph authentication companies, PSA/DNA and JSA, have authenticated many of the items. Officials with both companies have told ESPN in recent months that they stand by their guarantee that they believe the signatures, some with inscriptions like "Gig 'Em" and "Heisman '12" are genuine. Online verification databases show a single lot of 999 signed Manziel photos numbered sequentially. JSA authenticated 248 items and 376 items that came in in two batches that also are numbered sequentially. Industry insiders say this indicates the signings were done in large quantities intended for wholesale.
Calls and messages to Paul Manziel were not returned.
Even though Manziel is not allowed to generate income from his signature, the Manziel family has sought to protect Johnny's business affairs by starting a corporation, JMAN2 Enterprises, which in February filed for the trademark to use "Johnny Football" when he was ready to leave the college game.
The value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.
The school has committed to renovating Kyle Field, which will push seating capacity to 102,500 by the time it is completed in 2015. Texas A&M officials have said that donors, who make annual contributions of $80,000 to $100,000, have purchased all but two of the 144 suites in the stadium.
In the school's first year in the SEC last season, Manziel led the Aggies to an 11-2 season and a top-five finish for the first time since 1956. He and his teammates are scheduled to report Sunday afternoon for the 2013-14 season. He is scheduled to address the media Monday.
Manziel's offseason has drawn heavy media scrutiny. In the past few months, he has been spotted in the front row at NBA games, hanging out with rappers at bars, and has written various headline-starting tweets, including one in which he said he couldn't wait to leave College Station -- the home of Texas A&M. He also was sent home early from the Manning Passing Academy last month.
Paul Manziel recently told ESPN The Magazine that he doesn't like how the school hasn't protected the family from the NCAA and how he believes that school administrators put their motives above his son's well-being.
"It's starting to get under our skin," he said. "They're so selfish."
Manziel also acknowledged that he was concerned about his son's drinking and how he is dealing with celebrity.
"Yeah, it could all come unraveled," Johnny's father told The Magazine. "And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad."
Justine Gubar is a producer in ESPN's enterprise unit.
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ESPN's report that Johnny Manziel may have received tens of thousands of dollars in exchange for signing autographs has enough details to be concerning, but not enough to be an open and shut case. Multiple sources who claim to know of a arrangement say it happened, but not Drew Tieman, the autograph broker himself. If all the NCAA has is the information reported by Darren Rovell and Justine Gubar, the enforcement staff has a lot of work to do, otherwise this looks like Cam Newton all over again: high profile athlete, salacious allegations, never able to pin down the worst of it.
But there is another factor that raises the likelihood of the NCAA finding the fire which is producing all this smoke. As a current student-athlete Manziel is obliged to cooperate with any NCAA investigation. And, as we saw with the Cam Newton and Renardo Sidney investigations, families are not off limits either. An athlete's bank statements are useful in an investigation. But an athlete and his family's bank statements when trying to piece together the possible receipt of a vaguely defined amount of money? That's gold.
The fact this story broke on August 4th and not September 4th hopefully makes it more likely that Texas A&M and the NCAA get to the bottom of this. With the season four weeks away, there is a deadline here (although plenty of past cases show how flexible that deadline can be) but not the sort of pressure faced to make a decision as in the Cam Newton case.
ESPN's report that Johnny Manziel may have received tens of thousands of dollars in exchange for signing autographs has enough details to be concerning, but not enough to be an open and shut case. Multiple sources who claim to know of a arrangement say it happened, but not Drew Tieman, the autograph broker himself. If all the NCAA has is the information reported by Darren Rovell and Justine Gubar, the enforcement staff has a lot of work to do, otherwise this looks like Cam Newton all over again: high profile athlete, salacious allegations, never able to pin down the worst of it.
But there is another factor that raises the likelihood of the NCAA finding the fire which is producing all this smoke. As a current student-athlete Manziel is obliged to cooperate with any NCAA investigation. And, as we saw with the Cam Newton and Renardo Sidney investigations, families are not off limits either. An athlete's bank statements are useful in an investigation. But an athlete and his family's bank statements when trying to piece together the possible receipt of a vaguely defined amount of money? That's gold.
The fact this story broke on August 4th and not September 4th hopefully makes it more likely that Texas A&M and the NCAA get to the bottom of this. With the season four weeks away, there is a deadline here (although plenty of past cases show how flexible that deadline can be) but not the sort of pressure faced to make a decision as in the Cam Newton case.
This is one of those things you wouldnt be shocked to hear about a kid who comes from literally nothing doing, but then again even those kids wont just for the simple fact that they know its not worth the risk if they're great enough to demand that type of money then they will be top draft picks. Manziel comes from money, this is just stupid. They say greed breeds envy, sounds like it breeds idiocy too.
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Let's say the find the Johnny Football deposited a shit load of cash in a bank just after that signing session... He could say it was a Christmas present from his father and since he's a rich millionaire, it would be a case of "prove that isn't the truth".... The family being rich also brings up another problem, they could hire a team of lawyers and intimidate the NCAA into dropping the case before spending millions of bucks in potential lawsuits they could file... If there's a smoking gun, (which their rarely is in such cases) then he'll be labeled like Cam and get away with it just like Cam did...
However, if the NCAA has balls, (and common sense) they'll see the multitude of signed objects as compiling evidence to convict... If they don't, it's akin to someone with a 4 tons of cocaine and saying there was no "Intent to distribute"....
Larry
However, if the NCAA has balls, (and common sense) they'll see the multitude of signed objects as compiling evidence to convict... If they don't, it's akin to someone with a 4 tons of cocaine and saying there was no "Intent to distribute"....
Larry
Gonna be interesting to see what happens... with everything that has gone on with the NCAA (the turnover of enforcement staff, etc), they are perceived by many right now around CFB as not having the ability to keep an eye on things, and not being able to enforce. If Manziel gets out of this, it will only reinforce that belief... If not, it will mean the NCAA has stepped up and almost certainly killed the chances of a possible NC for A&M (again, perceived). Keep in mind too, Slive will be in A&M's corner if needed, and he's the best cutman in the business.
Dont agree with the cocaine analogy at all... noone is going to believe that someone with 4 tons of cocaine just gave it away (and the fact that just giving away cocaine is also not legal, pretty sure that would still constitute "distributing" it by the letter of the law)... a bunch of autographs proves nothing other than the fact that he signed a bunch of autographs. If he says "I did it for a charity" or "I just did it out of the goodness of my heart for fans" you have to prove thats not the case. Definition of circumstantial evidence.
The Cam Newton comparison I do agree with, Cam's pops was selling him to the highest bidder openly and EVERYONE acknowledged that fact yet the NCAA just took their word for it that Auburn was the one school Cam would go to without having to be paid.
I have no clue if Johnny Manziel did this, would not be surprised because he doesnt seem to have the best common sense or judgment, but I find it VERY hard to believe that the NCAA will rule him ineligible at any point this season. If they did, it would likely be after the fact and at that point Johnny will be getting ready to jump the the NFL and noone will care anymore.
I also think this might open up more dialogue of how absolutely asinine it is that everyone gets to make money off these kid's names except the players themselves.
"..a bunch of autographs proves nothing other than the fact that he signed a bunch of autographs."
Side note: I've heard the terms "sequential order" several times in the last few hours. If true, it's certainly not a situation as light as "a bunch of autographs."
I too, want A/M at full strength at the QB position. I think we caught on last year - just 1 qtr too late. I don't want to hear "yea, but if we'd had Johnny, we'd have beaten you..." like the Texas Longhorn people still say today (about their QB). :lance:
Bama will be ready to play on 9/14, you can count on that. :very_drunk:
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
Bama will be ready to play on 9/14, you can count on that. :very_drunk:
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
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