🏈 Mack Brown digging his heels in at Texas

[Southern Bama]

Texas folks are getting more rabid.......

 

[Old Timer from TX]

blah, blah, blah ...lots of talking just to set up the backstory excuse when you fail to get Saban. Usually the long drawn out story means there's a lot of BS excuses behind it.

Stick with "but colt got hurt"; it's just as much horse shit, but at least it's shorter.

Why would this rumored backstory have to do with an excuse-of-sorts if Saban doesn't wind up at Texas? It's probably disingenuous of any of the Texas fanbase to claim that they don't want Saban at Texas, when everybody knows that Texas fans desperately do want a coach like Saban. Its the worst kept secret this year in college football.

More to the point though is that Mack is still the head coach at Texas. That should greatly appease Alabama nation. If Mack is truly fired under the guise of a forced-type of resignation, this is bad for Alabama. Why? Because Texas would immediately enter into a bidding war with Alabama. Saban's agent knows this. It would be dumb of Saban's agent to push Saban to immediately sign an extension now.

Mack, indeed, is upset at the very public courting of Nick Saban through UT Regents. Who wouldn't be? As a Texas fan, I definitely want change and a new coach. However, I can at least recognize the feeling from Mack that he has given alot of years to Texas, and now the Regents are talking to Saban and who knows what other coach as purported through ESPN weeks ago. This is the premise to the backstory that is emerging in Austin. Was there a breach of contract in Texas Regents Tom Hicks and others contacting another head coach while Mack is still the head coach? The rumor is that Mack's lawyer, Joe Jamail, thinks that there was a breach. That is why he publicly threatened to sue regarding this weeks ago. And this is the reason why Mack and Jamail are pushing Texas Administration for a much, much bigger buyout that then one that is currently written in Mack's contract.

I know this makes little sense to Alabama fans who aren't familiar with the ongoings regarding Mack and Jamail here in Austin, but the fact is... That a potential breach of contract is HUGE in possibly keeping Saban away from Texas and left standing at Alabama. The other questionable thing is what Mack shared with Bill Battle if, and it is a BIG IF, if Mack truly did complain to Battle about what was going on behind the scenes both to oust Mack and also to steal Saban from Alabama.

 

[Splittine]

What gets me is Texas fans actually believe that Saban wants to coach at Texas. His extension will be signed when he is done recruiting in a couple days. Bama will start working on another NC beginning Jan and Texas will be stuck chasing medeocracy once again.

 

[bcracker]

The way you Texas folk have treated poor old Mack is shameful. Y'all deserve a Gus.

 

[riz]

Why would this rumored backstory have to do with an excuse-of-sorts if Saban doesn't wind up at Texas? It's probably disingenuous of any of the Texas fanbase to claim that they don't want Saban at Texas, when everybody knows that Texas fans desperately do want a coach like Saban. Its the worst kept secret this year in college football.

More to the point though is that Mack is still the head coach at Texas. That should greatly appease Alabama nation. If Mack is truly fired under the guise of a forced-type of resignation, this is bad for Alabama. Why? Because Texas would immediately enter into a bidding war with Alabama. Saban's agent knows this. It would be dumb of Saban's agent to push Saban to immediately sign an extension now.

Mack, indeed, is upset at the very public courting of Nick Saban through UT Regents. Who wouldn't be? As a Texas fan, I definitely want change and a new coach. However, I can at least recognize the feeling from Mack that he has given alot of years to Texas, and now the Regents are talking to Saban and who knows what other coach as purported through ESPN weeks ago. This is the premise to the backstory that is emerging in Austin. Was there a breach of contract in Texas Regents Tom Hicks and others contacting another head coach while Mack is still the head coach? The rumor is that Mack's lawyer, Joe Jamail, thinks that there was a breach. That is why he publicly threatened to sue regarding this weeks ago. And this is the reason why Mack and Jamail are pushing Texas Administration for a much, much bigger buyout that then one that is currently written in Mack's contract.

I know this makes little sense to Alabama fans who aren't familiar with the ongoings regarding Mack and Jamail here in Austin, but the fact is... That a potential breach of contract is HUGE in possibly keeping Saban away from Texas and left standing at Alabama. The other questionable thing is what Mack shared with Bill Battle if, and it is a BIG IF, if Mack truly did complain to Battle about what was going on behind the scenes both to oust Mack and also to steal Saban from Alabama.

You make little sense. Just throw whatever money it takes at Mack to make him go away. That's all it takes is money, right? And Texas is going to spend whatever it takes, right? I mean, really, Mack would probably love to have another $25mill or so. Money is no object, right?

 

[psychojoe]

The supposition is that enough money will pry Saban loose from Alabama. Why shouold he leave the 800 pound gorilla that he created behind for the flabby weakling that Texas football has become.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

The way you Texas folk have treated poor old Mack is shameful. Y'all deserve a Gus.

Well, I can appreciate the notion that Mack is getting pushed out, and his wife is unhappy that Texas Regents have publicly contacted Mack after 16 years of service to the University. OK, I understand that part. What most of the nation doesn't know is that the Texas Athletic Dept, and Mack himself, are kings at what we call "controlling the message". And the message has always been the Texas, and Mack, are above reproach. That Mack himself, is a classy man. However, is this reality, or another part of the image manipulation that Texas Athletics does?

I won't hide that fact that I am, or at least was, a donor to Texas Athletics. That isn't saying much. Trust me. Texas has so much money up its patookas that one small donor quitting on them is nothing. I knew of a time when Mack came to Texas, and maybe 3 years into the program after Mack starting taking a beating from OU and Bob Stoops, the negative press starting coming out. This negativity didn't just focus on his coaching, but also on his recruiting. And questions arose, "How is Texas so mediocre when they are consistently top 3 (back then) in National Recruiting?" And the player development issues questions started arising. Jaded North Carolina fans consistently said that Mack tricked them, that he was nothing more than a snake-oil salesman. They said we had a salesman, not a coach. Texas fans refused to believe, but it was true. Mack is more a salesman than people outside of Texas know.

Texas Athletics has "controlled the message". He has always appeared as a gentle giant, at least to those who knew nothing less than what was advertised to them. The truth is, Mack was the most thin-skinned, passive-aggressive, coach ever. He would call out media guys and put pressure on them to not write negative articles, or suddenly they might be wondering why they didn't have a job. There are many examples that I won't go into, but I am sure you can Google some examples of this (Brian Jones, Rod Babers, Chip Brown). Mack has also been successful is shutting up people who didn't tow the company line. Earl Campbell had a comment a while back about how Texas needed to get a new coach. Immediately after that, Mack sent his guys to call up Earl on a Sunday night to shut him up. I know this sounds like a total fabrication to someone outside of Austin, but it is completely true. Again, I won't go into detail about it, but you can Google it. Mack also fired coordinator after coordinator, position coach after another. And he spared them no grief. He fired DC Manny Diaz immediately after the game vs. BYU. Yet, all we hear is how Kiffen (USC) got fired right after he got off the bus by his own AD. The point is, Mack is NOT the saint that everybody makes him out to be.

 

[bama alum]

The way you Texas folk have treated poor old Mack is shameful. Y'all deserve a Gus.

:lol::lol::lol:

From what I've been told, the new name at Texas will not be Coach Saban (Bama fans need to stop the spreading of this drivel; please try to use some part of that organ between your ears!) but will be a surprise name. Me? I think Brown is probably on his way out...Maybe, esp. if there is enough spare oil money to buy him a really nice retirement. I don't think it will be a NFL name; I just don't see Harbaugh making a return to the college ranks. I wonder...and this is just speculation (I have no inside info of the proceedings in Austin) and not Internet fodder...if the new Longhorn coach will be Petrino. Of course, if it is, Old Timer, then you may as well get used to the notion of defense taking a backseat to offense.

 

[TerryP]

Well, I can appreciate the notion that Mack is getting pushed out, and his wife is unhappy that Texas Regents have publicly contacted Mack after 16 years of service to the University. OK, I understand that part. What most of the nation doesn't know is that the Texas Athletic Dept, and Mack himself, are kings at what we call "controlling the message". And the message has always been the Texas, and Mack, are above reproach. That Mack himself, is a classy man. However, is this reality, or another part of the image manipulation that Texas Athletics does?

I won't hide that fact that I am, or at least was, a donor to Texas Athletics. That isn't saying much. Trust me. Texas has so much money up its patookas that one small donor quitting on them is nothing. I knew of a time when Mack came to Texas, and maybe 3 years into the program after Mack starting taking a beating from OU and Bob Stoops, the negative press starting coming out. This negativity didn't just focus on his coaching, but also on his recruiting. And questions arose, "How is Texas so mediocre when they are consistently top 3 (back then) in National Recruiting?" And the player development issues questions started arising. Jaded North Carolina fans consistently said that Mack tricked them, that he was nothing more than a snake-oil salesman. They said we had a salesman, not a coach. Texas fans refused to believe, but it was true. Mack is more a salesman than people outside of Texas know.

Texas Athletics has "controlled the message". He has always appeared as a gentle giant, at least to those who knew nothing less than what was advertised to them. The truth is, Mack was the most thin-skinned, passive-aggressive, coach ever. He would call out media guys and put pressure on them to not write negative articles, or suddenly they might be wondering why they didn't have a job. There are many examples that I won't go into, but I am sure you can Google some examples of this (Brian Jones, Rod Babers, Chip Brown). Mack has also been successful is shutting up people who didn't tow the company line. Earl Campbell had a comment a while back about how Texas needed to get a new coach. Immediately after that, Mack sent his guys to call up Earl on a Sunday night to shut him up. I know this sounds like a total fabrication to someone outside of Austin, but it is completely true. Again, I won't go into detail about it, but you can Google it. Mack also fired coordinator after coordinator, position coach after another. And he spared them no grief. He fired DC Manny Diaz immediately after the game vs. BYU. Yet, all we hear is how Kiffen (USC) got fired right after he got off the bus by his own AD. The point is, Mack is NOT the saint that everybody makes him out to be.

Here's the issue.

There's no one here, at least that I recall seeing, that believes Mack is a saint. A more accurate statement you've mentioned...the one coming from North Carolina folk. I'm of the opinion, and have been since that fateful day in 1998, the wrong guy was hired for the position. (How it took 16 years for the TX faithful to become dissatisfied with Brown is a subject of itself and one that bears addressing.)

I do find it ironic that I see mention of "Texas Athletics controlling the message" when there's guys like Hicks making contact with Sexton without authority to do so. We've seen our share of meddling boosters. We've seen that it seldom, if ever, ends well.

Yet again, another point brought into the conversation worth noting with the question, "why would Saban be interested in such a fiasco."

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

Okay I'll u Texas fans lurking and signed on take this little by little blurb for it what it's worth. Nick Saban is not going to go to Texas simply because he would not be in charge of the program and he doesn't have time for all the back slapping who hawwin that is required to be a Texas head coach. Gotta be a politician and head coach at Texas.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

Here's the issue.

There's no one here, at least that I recall seeing, that believes Mack is a saint. A more accurate statement you've mentioned...the one coming from North Carolina folk. I'm of the opinion, and have been since that fateful day in 1998, the wrong guy was hired for the position. (How it took 16 years for the TX faithful to become dissatisfied with Brown is a subject of itself and one that bears addressing.)

I do find it ironic that I see mention of "Texas Athletics controlling the message" when there's guys like Hicks making contact with Sexton without authority to do so. We've seen our share of meddling boosters. We've seen that it seldom, if ever, ends well.

Yet again, another point brought into the conversation worth noting with the question, "why would Saban be interested in such a fiasco."

How is it a fiasco once Saban agrees to be head coach at Texas? I think that the big part of the fiasco part is this saga of "Will Mack retire or not? and Will Saban leave Alabama or not?" When those questions end, no matter where each coach goes, then I think the fiasco would largely be over. I will give you that yes, it is a fiasco and a soap opera now.

The Texas Athletics Dept and Mack Brown "controlling the message" thing is very real. Media people all over Austin have long spoken silently about Bellmont (aka the building that houses the Athletic Dept offices) rigidly controls the message. Texas has its own sports channel for god sake! They even have their own radio station. Half the time, the programming on either station is boring, but sometimes we get good stuff. However, never ever, is the radio or Longhorn Network Sports Channel ever non-biased. It is strictly government controlled.

The take here is that Mack and Jamail are creating a lot of stink with contractual nitpicking and potential breaches. I assure you. Texas can pay whatever it wants to get whoever it wants. This is part of the ego that is the Texas Athletic Dept and the big money donors at Texas. That ego also is laden with pride, and a proud program probably does not want to give a Mack Brown, a coach on the way out, more than he deserves. That money should go to the next guy. That money should go to Saban, if he is the one. And I think he is.

 

[riz]

Unreal.

 

[moreno_iv]

Do you really think that Saban doesn't "control the message" or doesn't have a giant ego? Your trolling is quite transparent.

 

[Splittine]

Don't feed the troll.

 

[TerryP]

So far, I've not seen what I'd call "trolling" with Old Timer.

He's just voicing his opinion.

Opinions, in my mind, are neither right or wrong. There certainly can be bad opinions, but that doesn't equate to trolling.

So far, all I've seen his just that...Old Timer voicing his opinion.

Now, I've never attempted to "control" what you guys put up here but let's be real...it's not a bad conversation.

I'd prefer we leave the accusations aside. My opinion, of course, which is neither right or wrong.

I do think it's a good opinion though. :bluebiggrin:

 

[JoshB]

This whole "Texas can buy whoever or whatever they want" shit has gotten extremely old. EXTREMELY. We get it, Texas has plenty of money, but guess what? That doesn't mean you can buy anything or everything they want, not everything or EVERYONE is for sale. If I hear that one more time I'm going to puke, its gotten to the point where Texas fans are more proud of how much money the school has than the product on the field. Thats your damn problem in a nutshell.

 

[bcracker]

This whole "Texas can buy whoever or whatever they want" shit has gotten extremely old. EXTREMELY. We get it, Texas has plenty of money, but guess what? That doesn't mean you can buy anything or everything they want, not everything or EVERYONE is for sale. If I hear that one more time I'm going to puke, its gotten to the point where Texas fans are more proud of how much money the school has than the product on the field. Thats your damn problem in a nutshell.

Peach it, birdman!

 

[bamanaf]

Trolling? Get real people. Why gang up on people engaging in a real discussion based on personal opinion?

Show some class.

 

[bcracker]

Here's the issue.

There's no one here, at least that I recall seeing, that believes Mack is a saint. A more accurate statement you've mentioned...the one coming from North Carolina folk. I'm of the opinion, and have been since that fateful day in 1998, the wrong guy was hired for the position. (How it took 16 years for the TX faithful to become dissatisfied with Brown is a subject of itself and one that bears addressing.)

I do find it ironic that I see mention of "Texas Athletics controlling the message" when there's guys like Hicks making contact with Sexton without authority to do so. We've seen our share of meddling boosters. We've seen that it seldom, if ever, ends well.

Yet again, another point brought into the conversation worth noting with the question, "why would Saban be interested in such a fiasco."

How is it a fiasco once Saban agrees to be head coach at Texas? I think that the big part of the fiasco part is this saga of "Will Mack retire or not? and Will Saban leave Alabama or not?" When those questions end, no matter where each coach goes, then I think the fiasco would largely be over. I will give you that yes, it is a fiasco and a soap opera now.

The Texas Athletics Dept and Mack Brown "controlling the message" thing is very real. Media people all over Austin have long spoken silently about Bellmont (aka the building that houses the Athletic Dept offices) rigidly controls the message. Texas has its own sports channel for god sake! They even have their own radio station. Half the time, the programming on either station is boring, but sometimes we get good stuff. However, never ever, is the radio or Longhorn Network Sports Channel ever non-biased. It is strictly government controlled.

The take here is that Mack and Jamail are creating a lot of stink with contractual nitpicking and potential breaches. I assure you. Texas can pay whatever it wants to get whoever it wants. This is part of the ego that is the Texas Athletic Dept and the big money donors at Texas. That ego also is laden with pride, and a proud program probably does not want to give a Mack Brown, a coach on the way out, more than he deserves. That money should go to the next guy. That money should go to Saban, if he is the one. And I think he is.

The fiasco for Saban will be dealing with the mentality of arrogant boosters who believe they can "buy" whatever and whoever they want and TU fans who empower them to think so.

I challenge you, old timer, to go back and read your original post from the perspective of a disinterested person and note it's arrogant tone and then answer the question: what is your motivation in bringing that attitude to an Alabama site? If your are so sure that Texas money can buy Nick Saban why even bother coming here? Did you think we would be impressed with the majesty of Texas boosters?

 

[bamaraider]

Trolling? Get real people. Why gang up on people engaging in a real discussion based on personal opinion?

Show some class.

Just for that, prepared to be ganged up on because I disagree with you. Think this is trolling? Man, just wait..