🏈 Kentucky obvious push-off for the win!?

[planomateo]

This was called as defensive pass interference. Guess Mizzou is gonna buy some billboards in B'ham.

 

[ColAngus]

Mizzou got screwed. Oh well, sets up a big game in the Commonwealth next weekend. UGA will kill UK however.

 

[Tidestalker]

Have no issue with that... CB needs to get his weight up!

Rather the players decide it on a play like that than a ref push them back 15 yards.

So you’re ok with the Clemson pick to win the NC rather than the refs push them back?

That particular play, yes. I suspect you wouldn't be complaining if the tables had been turned....

 

[Tidestalker]

On the other hand, I saw the PI call on the play before against Mizzu and that was terrible! So they did get hosed

 

[planomateo]

Mizzou's AD had a choice word for the ending. Sargain has Mizzou's schedule as #5 (behind #1 Iowa State, #2 Tennessee, #3 UCLA, #4 Texas A&M)

 

[TUSKtimes]

Stoop has squeezed every ounce of juice out of this orange. If he had a QB that could stretch the D he would honestly have a chance in the east.

 

[Bamabacker]

The initial PI was questionable at best but that (no call) put the integrity of the game at stake.

Pick plays that are well disguised are legal. Push offs like that are OPI's.

I guess I'm shocked that the sports media hasn't pointed it out yet. All games matter even if the betting crowd here is happy with the results.

 

[OldPlayer]

Regardless of whether he was supposedLy run blocking, the TE extended his arms and pushed off. If that’s not offensive PI, then why doesn’t every team run that play from the two?

The defensive player can interfere with the receiver's ability to run a route (bump and run) but not with the opportunity to catch the ball. The same goes with the receiver. The opportunity to catch the ball doesn't begin until the ball is in the air. What would the call be on this play if the QB was sacked? There would be no call because there was no pass. The push off happened before the ball was thrown, therefore no PI. The call prior to this play was BS.

Other teams could, and do, run similar plays. However, it's hard to get the timing down among the QB, receiver and oncoming rush.

 

[Max]

Regardless of whether he was supposedLy run blocking, the TE extended his arms and pushed off. If that’s not offensive PI, then why doesn’t every team run that play from the two?

The defensive player can interfere with the receiver's ability to run a route (bump and run) but not with the opportunity to catch the ball. The same goes with the receiver. The opportunity to catch the ball doesn't begin until the ball is in the air. What would the call be on this play if the QB was sacked? There would be no call because there was no pass. The push off happened before the ball was thrown, therefore no PI. The call prior to this play was BS.

Other teams could, and do, run similar plays. However, it's hard to get the timing down among the QB, receiver and oncoming rush.

What you are saying and what this says are two different things.

The NCAA’s college rule starts like this:

Defensive pass interference is contact beyond the neutral zone by a [defensive] player whose intent to impede an eligible opponent is obvious and could prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable forward pass. When in question, a legal forward pass is catchable.​

It’s not pass interference in these cases:

When, after the snap, opposing players immediately charge and establish contact with opponents at a point that is within one yard beyond the neutral zone.
When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass.
When a [defensive] player legally contacts an opponent before the pass is thrown.​

That mentions what you have with contact before the pass is thrown. For the defense, not offense.

Both college and the NFL also have offensive pass interference rules.
At both levels, the offense can’t block the defense beyond the line of scrimmage while the ball’s in the air. Receivers aren’t allowed to push off defenders. Certain kinds of pick routes, in which receivers get in the way of DBs while the ball’s in the air, are illegal. Those depend on how incidental the offense can convince the officials the contact is.

 

[OldPlayer]

Regardless of whether he was supposedLy run blocking, the TE extended his arms and pushed off. If that’s not offensive PI, then why doesn’t every team run that play from the two?

The defensive player can interfere with the receiver's ability to run a route (bump and run) but not with the opportunity to catch the ball. The same goes with the receiver. The opportunity to catch the ball doesn't begin until the ball is in the air. What would the call be on this play if the QB was sacked? There would be no call because there was no pass. The push off happened before the ball was thrown, therefore no PI. The call prior to this play was BS.

Other teams could, and do, run similar plays. However, it's hard to get the timing down among the QB, receiver and oncoming rush.

What you are saying and what this says are two different things.

The NCAA’s college rule starts like this:

Defensive pass interference is contact beyond the neutral zone by a [defensive] player whose intent to impede an eligible opponent is obvious and could prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable forward pass. When in question, a legal forward pass is catchable.​

It’s not pass interference in these cases:

When, after the snap, opposing players immediately charge and establish contact with opponents at a point that is within one yard beyond the neutral zone.​

When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass.​

When a [defensive] player legally contacts an opponent before the pass is thrown.​

That mentions what you have with contact before the pass is thrown. For the defense, not offense.

Both college and the NFL also have offensive pass interference rules.
At both levels, the offense can’t block the defense beyond the line of scrimmage while the ball’s in the air.Receivers aren’t allowed to push off defenders. Certain kinds of pick routes, in which receivers get in the way of DBs while the ball’s in the air, are illegal. Those depend on how incidental the offense can convince the officials the contact is.

It says exactly what I said. It can't be interference unless there is a pass and the ball is in the air.

 

[TerryP]

It says exactly what I said. It can't be interference unless there is a pass and the ball is in the air.

The more I think about this the more I'm saying that's true, but also wrong. An offensive play can not push off more than one yard downfield and then have a pass that crosses the line of scrimmage. If that happens, it's offensive pass interference.

EDIT: A brief search brings this up from Bill LeMonneir--ESPN college footbal rules analyst.

Offensive players may not initiate a block one yard beyond the line of scrimmage and then have a pass thrown that crosses the line of scrimmage. If an offensive player blocks downfield before the ball is thrown and the pass crosses the line of scrimmage, it is offensive pass interference. The rationale is this: A defensive player who sees an ineligible receiver downfield or any eligible receiver blocking downfield can now play run defense knowing that a pass can’t be made, so the defensive player can leave the receiver and attack the run.

 

[OldPlayer]

It says exactly what I said. It can't be interference unless there is a pass and the ball is in the air.

The more I think about this the more I'm saying that's true, but also wrong. An offensive play can not push off more than one yard downfield and then have a pass that crosses the line of scrimmage. If that happens, it's offensive pass interference.

EDIT: A brief search brings this up from Bill LeMonneir--ESPN college footbal rules analyst.

Offensive players may not initiate a block one yard beyond the line of scrimmage and then have a pass thrown that crosses the line of scrimmage. If an offensive player blocks downfield before the ball is thrown and the pass crosses the line of scrimmage, it is offensive pass interference. The rationale is this: A defensive player who sees an ineligible receiver downfield or any eligible receiver blocking downfield can now play run defense knowing that a pass can’t be made, so the defensive player can leave the receiver and attack the run.

Is pushing off considered a block? You'll see many receivers and DBs engaged in hand fighting while a route is being run. Some of that hand fighting includes a push (both ways) to interrupt movement.

 

[TerryP]

Is pushing off considered a block? You'll see many receivers and DBs engaged in hand fighting while a route is being run. Some of that hand fighting includes a push (both ways) to interrupt movement.

I can be, I suppose. It's a different portion of the rule here. In this case pushing off a defender is hindering his ability to catch the ball with is by definition interference. The hand fighting you refer to is legal until the ball is in the air, right? I believe the terminology I read used the word jousting--don't hold me to that.

Here's where the subjectivity comes into play. It's also my understanding that if we had a play like referred to here, but the pass goes to the right instead of the left, it isn't going to be called because it's not having a direct impact on the play. It's about like seeing holding on the left tackle but that didn't give the offense an advantage because it had no direct bearing on how the play went.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I can't tell... Was that play-action?

If so, good no-call.