📡 Justin Thomas leads in Mexico

[252BAMA]

Has incredible hole-in-one on 13.

Thomas sinks the hole-in-one off a high bounce - ESPN Video

 

[TUSKtimes]

Has incredible hole-in-one on 13.

Thomas sinks the hole-in-one off a high bounce - ESPN Video

Is this the golf course that is supposed to replace the blue monster? What you get when you mix sports and politics. Bad trade off, but happy to see Thomas continue to grow leaps and bounds on the PGA.

 

[TerryP]

'tis what it is, but ...

What you get when you mix sports and politics.

What you get is a lot of misinformation due to people talking about things without understanding. This has been an interesting story.

When this was reported a majority of the writers said it was political while quoting people from the PGA saying it wasn't political. Then, in these same articles, state it was "sponsor related" That was true. Cadillac wanted to renege on a 14 million dollar contract and only pay 6 million. The PGA and Doral were in agreement that they needed a new sponsor. These same articles said "it's politically sponsored related" because Cadillac won't sign with Doral WHILE in the same article quoting Cadillac wanting the 6 million dollar deal.

Now, mix this in with the political conversations at that time and you've got a story being told that's 'murky' at best.

Enter Grupo Salinas, new sponsors of the event. GM wishes they had their money.

{And, BTW, as a fan of the PGA, golf having a world event in Mexico isn't a bad thing in my opinion. It's a loss for the Miami area, sure. But this is a WGC event. There've been times this century that as many as three of the four WGC events were held in the States. How's that WorldGC?}

 

[TUSKtimes]

'tis what it is, but ...



What you get is a lot of misinformation due to people talking about things without understanding. This has been an interesting story.

When this was reported a majority of the writers said it was political while quoting people from the PGA saying it wasn't political. Then, in these same articles, state it was "sponsor related" That was true. Cadillac wanted to renege on a 14 million dollar contract and only pay 6 million. The PGA and Doral were in agreement that they needed a new sponsor. These same articles said "it's politically sponsored related" because Cadillac won't sign with Doral WHILE in the same article quoting Cadillac wanting the 6 million dollar deal.

Now, mix this in with the political conversations at that time and you've got a story being told that's 'murky' at best.

Enter Grupo Salinas, new sponsors of the event. GM wishes they had their money.

{And, BTW, as a fan of the PGA, golf having a world event in Mexico isn't a bad thing in my opinion. It's a loss for the Miami area, sure. But this is a WGC event. There've been times this century that as many as three of the four WGC events were held in the States. How's that WorldGC?}

It was predominately political Terry. Doral and the Blue Monster has been a staple on tour for 55 years. The only other golf course to share that pedigree is the Masters. The Blue Monster has hosted the WGC for 10 years and how very ironic that big business is boycotting The Donald? Unless you believe the PGA couldn't find a suitor for a tournament hosting the top 50 golfers in the world and were shanghaied to Mexico, they too sent a message of their own.

The only thing that Dural did wrong was to give up ownership to a presidential candidate. Going to Mexico with a world class field wasn't an alternative it was "rebuttal."

 

[TerryP]

OK.

It was predominately political Terry. Doral and the Blue Monster has been a staple on tour for 55 years. The only other golf course to share that pedigree is the Masters. The Blue Monster has hosted the WGC for 10 years and how very ironic that big business is boycotting The Donald? .

You might want to do a little reading here.

WGC is owned by the PGA. They still have a relationship with Trump and will have sanctioned events (championships, mind you) on his property this year. There is no "boycott" going on.

Secondly, you've got this course romanticized in your head due to past memories. It's lost its luster and has continued to do so for years. Sure it's been around a long time but my god, when it comes to golf courses and locations that has changed a lot over the last 20 years. The Blue Monster doesn't even hit the top five in the SE anymore ...

...Pine Valley, or Cypress Point, or Pinehurst, or Kiawah ... and I'm still in the SE United States. Then there's a course called Sawgrass, a course called Seminole Juno Beach ...

he only thing that Dural did wrong was to give up ownership to a presidential candidate. Going to Mexico with a world class field wasn't an alternative it was "rebuttal."

Doral didn't give up ownership. They were bought out of bankruptcy. While it was a profitable venture years ago, this "staple on the tour" has been losing, a lot. Hell, the tourney purse was right at the original Cadillac agreement.

 

[TUSKtimes]

OK.
You might want to do a little reading here.

WGC is owned by the PGA. They still have a relationship with Trump and will have sanctioned events (championships, mind you) on his property this year. There is no "boycott" going on.

Don't take out of context what I said about "Big Business boycotting" this singular tournament. There is no economic downturn to blame this on. Big business said no to the Donald and both recent PGA commissioners said as much:

After talking to PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan, that was not the case. The reason the WGC-Mexico is not still the WGC-Cadillac is because the PGA Tour couldn’t sell one of its most iconic tournaments to a title sponsor.
Like the USGA with the U.S. Women’s Open and the PGA of America with the Senior PGA Championship, the PGA Tour was willing to take its hits and live with Trump. Cadillac wasn’t and neither were any potential sponsors approached by the tour. As Tim Finchem said prior to handing over the job to Monahan,
“If we had a title sponsor, we wouldn’t have made this move with this event to Mexico City,” Monahan said in an interview I conducted for Golf Channel. “We got to a point in time where we had to make a decision on the future of our schedule, and we just felt like this was the perfect opportunity to take the World Golf Championships to Mexico City.”

Does this not sound like big business giving the royal shaft to Dural and by extension the Donald?

Secondly, you've got this course romanticized in your head due to past memories. It's lost its luster and has continued to do so for years. Sure it's been around a long time but my god, when it comes to golf courses and locations that has changed a lot over the last 20 years. The Blue Monster doesn't even hit the top five in the SE anymore ...

...Pine Valley, or Cypress Point, or Pinehurst, or Kiawah ... and I'm still in the SE United States. Then there's a course called Sawgrass, a course called Seminole Juno Beach ...

Doral didn't give up ownership. They were bought out of bankruptcy. While it was a profitable venture years ago, this "staple on the tour" has been losing, a lot. Hell, the tourney purse was right at the original Cadillac agreement.

Pretty sure I didn't compare the Blue Monster with Pebble Beach. Even though Trump and his renovations have the Dural looking as good as it's ever been. "Iconic" is a word used to describe this course by commissioners and players, not just Tuskstuff.

Enough of this verbal hocus pocus Terry, you want to say that the WGC would still be in Mexico had the Donald not run for president? You're on the clock.

 

[TerryP]

Enough of this verbal hocus pocus Terry, you want to say that the WGC would still be in Mexico had the Donald not run for president? You're on the clock.

Here's a funny thing here. The very article that you pasted here has misinformation in it: the very subject I've been addressing and you exemplifying. They made this about Trump when it's about $$ with Cadillac. They wanted to change the deal.

A 9.5 million purse wasn't/isn't going to be covered a 6 million dollar sponsorship...offered by Cadillac and not reported in your citation.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Here's a funny thing here. The very article that you pasted here has misinformation in it: the very subject I've been addressing and you exemplifying. They made this about Trump when it's about $$ with Cadillac. They wanted to change the deal.

A 9.5 million purse wasn't/isn't going to be covered a 6 million dollar sponsorship...offered by Cadillac and not reported in your citation.

Fine, what did the commissioners say if they were misquoted? So far you haven't provided a lick of substantial information to refute the article other than your indignation about it.


Why would the tour commissioner, present, and past, say they couldn't get sponsors to step up in Cadillacs place? And again, explain then, why are we left comparing the Blue Monster with plan B deep in the bowels of Mexico?

It's one of the following:
1-No sponsors
2-The PGA wanted out
3-Both

 

[bama alum]

Has there been a presidential tweet about Doral and Cadillac's meanness yet?

 

[TerryP]

@TUSKstuff

This "Mexican Open," as it's now called, was the WGC event that was intended to travel around the world yearly. It's first location was in Valderrama. What does that have to do with this conversation? It should give you an good idea how long I've been following its development. ('99 was the year, btw.) Where's it's been played, how many sponsor's, etc. Hell, if it wasn't for the Fed Ex Cup we wouldn't be having this discussion. But, it's a political thing.

I know how long a tourney was played at Doral. I also know, very well, the difference between the Doral Open and when the Fed Ex Cup bumped the WGC event to the Doral weekend.

So far you haven't provided a lick of substantial information to refute the article other than your indignation about it.

Indignation? Perhaps about misinformation or misleading comments, sure.

Here's a quote from Finchem, from the Miami paper:

“It is fundamentally a sponsorship issue,” Finchem said. “We are a conservative organization. We value dollars for our players. We have a strong sense of fiduciary responsibility.”

Cadillac had requested significantly less money to renew at the Trump Doral, said Ed Williamson, owner of a local Cadillac dealership who said he was mingling with Trump and top Cadillac executives during the final day of this year's tournament. Williamson said the original deal cost Cadillac about $14 million a year, but the luxury auto maker offered $6 million to renew at Doral.
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was predominately political Terry.

That goes in direct contrast to what you've said.

Cadillac wanted to sponsor. 6 million isn't cutting it. 9.5 million purse.

 

[TUSKtimes]

@TUSKstuff

This "Mexican Open," as it's now called, was the WGC event that was intended to travel around the world yearly. It's first location was in Valderrama. What does that have to do with this conversation? It should give you an good idea how long I've been following its development. ('99 was the year, btw.) Where's it's been played, how many sponsor's, etc. Hell, if it wasn't for the Fed Ex Cup we wouldn't be having this discussion. But, it's a political thing.

I know how long a tourney was played at Doral. I also know, very well, the difference between the Doral Open and when the Fed Ex Cup bumped the WGC event to the Doral weekend.



Indignation? Perhaps about misinformation or misleading comments, sure.

Here's a quote from Finchem, from the Miami paper:

“It is fundamentally a sponsorship issue,” Finchem said. “We are a conservative organization. We value dollars for our players. We have a strong sense of fiduciary responsibility.”

Cadillac had requested significantly less money to renew at the Trump Doral, said Ed Williamson, owner of a local Cadillac dealership who said he was mingling with Trump and top Cadillac executives during the final day of this year's tournament. Williamson said the original deal cost Cadillac about $14 million a year, but the luxury auto maker offered $6 million to renew at Doral.
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That goes in direct contrast to what you've said.

Cadillac wanted to sponsor. 6 million isn't cutting it. 9.5 million purse.

And I'm also saying, that if these business folks and PGA had even remotely believed that this guy actually had a 50/50 chance to be president of the United States, they would have been showing the Blue Monster in HD this past weekend. Their miscalculation was that Trump was a controversial businessman making unsavory political expressions. Well now, the ultimate business shark is in the oval office and this dude likes to keep score. Cadillac, are you listening?

 

[bama alum]

And I'm also saying, that if these business folks and PGA had even remotely believed that this guy actually had a 50/50 chance to be president of the United States, they would have been showing the Blue Monster in HD this past weekend. Their miscalculation was that Trump was a controversial businessman making unsavory political expressions. Well now, the ultimate business shark is in the oval office and this dude likes to keep score. Cadillac, are you listening?

The Escalade is made in Virginia, right? Where are the others made? Mexico?

 

[TUSKtimes]

The Escalade is made in Virginia, right? Where are the others made? Mexico?

That's an interesting read. Escalade ESV and EXT were manufactured in Silao Mexico, just outside Mexico City, before 2007. They moved the Cadillac SRX from Michigan to Mexico after that. Explains perhaps sympathy pains and the rust belt recently showing some serious indignation at the polls.

 

[bamachine]

I blame you knuckleheads for his falling apart in the final round. He also got caught up in this political nonsense, that this thread devolved into.

 

[252BAMA]

:rolf: