🏈 Jalen after A-Day

[Tidestalker]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

 

[94 Grad]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Re-read my posts... I'm not saying Jalen is a great passer or even has made any progression in that area... just that Saban puts a TON of emphasis on ball control... so it just depends on where the balance is between ball control and passing efficiency and how well Jalen stacks up in passing and how well Tua stacks up in ball control.

My point was don't be shocked to see Jalen as the starter in game one with a short leash... It wouldn't shock me in the least.

Also, defenses have only seen 2 quarters of real playing time with Tua... give them a season worth of film and you may find he struggles too... Not saying it will be the case, but UGA didn't have a ton of scouting for Tua nor do I think they spent a ton of time prepping for him either. Like I said in a different post, it's not like Tua tore UGA apart passing the ball. 14 of 24 with an INT isn't "great" or anything...

 

[TUSKtimes]

Also, defenses have only seen 2 quarters of real playing time with Tua... give them a season worth of film and you may find he struggles too... Not saying it will be the case, but UGA didn't have a ton of scouting for Tua nor do I think they spent a ton of time prepping for him either. Like I said in a different post, it's not like Tua tore UGA apart passing the ball. 14 of 24 with an INT isn't "great" or anything...

Why have defenses only seen 2 quarters of Tua playing QB?

 

[94 Grad]

Also, defenses have only seen 2 quarters of real playing time with Tua... give them a season worth of film and you may find he struggles too... Not saying it will be the case, but UGA didn't have a ton of scouting for Tua nor do I think they spent a ton of time prepping for him either. Like I said in a different post, it's not like Tua tore UGA apart passing the ball. 14 of 24 with an INT isn't "great" or anything...

Why have defenses only seen 2 quarters of Tua playing QB?

Only two meaningful quarters... every other snap came under no real substance... mostly where teams had already given up and were not playing any pressure or against a nobody team.

Tua playing time:
Fresno State - blowout/nobody team
Colorado State - blowout, only 1 completed pass
Vandy - Blow out; defense had given up however he did go 8/10 passing so maybe something can be taken from that game.
Ole Miss - Blow out; only 3 completed passes
Arky - Blowout only 1 completed pass
UT - Blow out; but actually some good film can be had as he came in for the last two quarters and UT was still fighting well.
Mercer - Blowout; crap team
UGA - 2 quarters of good film for sure.

So... maybe 4 total quarters of film to study for next year, but for the UGA game only 2 real quarters of film to look through with any meaning.

Point being, I don't think UGA spent a tremendous amount of time working on Tua film. Things will be different if he is the starter next year. Teams will dive indepth to find how to affect him... not saying they find anything, just that their approach last year was for Jalen not Tua.

 

[ElephantStomp]

We all know Jalen is talented and that he’s won Bama plenty of games, but we have seen without argument that his passing hasn’t improved and against good defenses (Georgia) or even half assed (Auburn) he struggles. Defenses have figured him out, cover the WR even remotely and Jalen will take off.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Also, defenses have only seen 2 quarters of real playing time with Tua... give them a season worth of film and you may find he struggles too... Not saying it will be the case, but UGA didn't have a ton of scouting for Tua nor do I think they spent a ton of time prepping for him either. Like I said in a different post, it's not like Tua tore UGA apart passing the ball. 14 of 24 with an INT isn't "great" or anything...

Why have defenses only seen 2 quarters of Tua playing QB?

Only two meaningful quarters... every other snap came under no real substance... mostly where teams had already given up and were not playing any pressure or against a nobody team.

Tua playing time:
Fresno State - blowout/nobody team
Colorado State - blowout, only 1 completed pass
Vandy - Blow out; defense had given up however he did go 8/10 passing so maybe something can be taken from that game.
Ole Miss - Blow out; only 3 completed passes
Arky - Blowout only 1 completed pass
UT - Blow out; but actually some good film can be had as he came in for the last two quarters and UT was still fighting well. I had forgotten about this game, so there should be some good film from it.
Mercer - Blowout; crap team
UGA - 2 quarters of good film for sure.

So... maybe 4 total quarters of film to study...

Point being, I don't think UGA spent a tremendous amount of time working on Tua film. Things will be different if he is the starter next year. Teams will dive indepth to find how to affect him... not saying they find anything, just that their approach last year was for Jalen not Tua.

Tua can do something that Jalen has shown he cant and that’s throw the ball consistently

 

[BamaFan334]

So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

I would have to be blind and illiterate to not ask what the point here is, other than to verify my argument that it's the big games against the big teams that shut Jalen down. Jalen didn't win the Georgia game, he got replaced after throwing for 21 yards in the first half. That didn't win the natty and it won't this year either.

I'm not saying he's the best quarterback we've ever had, but telling someone they framed their argument poorly when you did the same doesn't make a ton of sense.

A lack of pass production against the big boys is and was my argument. Maybe it's just you?

We got beat as a team against Auburn. No one played well. I think we have beaten that horse to death. Going into the game we knew we most likely lose, but he still completed 55% and ran for 82 yards. Clemson? They shut down everyone, and he still threw for 67% and two touchdowns and rushed for 40 yards, while our defense killed them. The Georgia game was definitely a shit show, no denying that. You always come out like Hurts and all of our quarterbacks should be throwing for 350 and three touchdowns with no turnovers to be successful. Well that's not reality and your standards are most likely too high. They're the big dawgs for a reason. Name quarterbacks that have consistently killed our defense, not named Deshaun Watson. He has done enough to win, plain and simple. He may not have won us the Championship, but he got our asses there. You're right, he most likely gets replaced by someone better, but to say he's ineffective as our quarterback, even in the big games is ludicrous. After all, who led the drive and scored the go ahead touchdown at the end of Alabama-Clemson 2? You don't like mentioning that and giving him props for what he did do his Freshman year that had everyone drooling over him.

 

[BamaFan334]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

 

[94 Grad]

Also, defenses have only seen 2 quarters of real playing time with Tua... give them a season worth of film and you may find he struggles too... Not saying it will be the case, but UGA didn't have a ton of scouting for Tua nor do I think they spent a ton of time prepping for him either. Like I said in a different post, it's not like Tua tore UGA apart passing the ball. 14 of 24 with an INT isn't "great" or anything...

Why have defenses only seen 2 quarters of Tua playing QB?

Only two meaningful quarters... every other snap came under no real substance... mostly where teams had already given up and were not playing any pressure or against a nobody team.

Tua playing time:
Fresno State - blowout/nobody team
Colorado State - blowout, only 1 completed pass
Vandy - Blow out; defense had given up however he did go 8/10 passing so maybe something can be taken from that game.
Ole Miss - Blow out; only 3 completed passes
Arky - Blowout only 1 completed pass
UT - Blow out; but actually some good film can be had as he came in for the last two quarters and UT was still fighting well. I had forgotten about this game, so there should be some good film from it.
Mercer - Blowout; crap team
UGA - 2 quarters of good film for sure.

So... maybe 4 total quarters of film to study...

Point being, I don't think UGA spent a tremendous amount of time working on Tua film. Things will be different if he is the starter next year. Teams will dive indepth to find how to affect him... not saying they find anything, just that their approach last year was for Jalen not Tua.

Tua can do something that Jalen has shown he cant and that’s throw the ball consistently

Never said it was any other way... just that defenses haven't studied and schemed for Tua yet. Let's not crown him the 2nd coming before we have some real data points to look at. Also, Saban puts a lot of emphasis on ball safety... does that mean more than being able to pass the ball more efficiently????... not sure where the break point is for him...

 

[Tidestalker]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

You're trying to point out how things ended differently between the 2 seasons and didn't mention we were getting molly wopped at halftime with Jalen... Almost certainly would have ended exactly the same, a loss in the title game, if not for making the change. So what was the difference in the 2 seasons? The difference was that Tua came in and revived a dead offense.... Anyone who argues that was too drunk to remember the last month of the season.

 

[BamaFan334]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

You're trying to point out how things ended differently between the 2 seasons and didn't mention we were getting molly wopped at halftime with Jalen... Almost certainly would have ended exactly the same, a loss in the title game, if not for making the change. So what was the difference in the 2 seasons? The difference was that Tua came in and revived a dead offense.... Anyone who argues that was too drunk to remember the last month of the season.

You're wanting to use two quarters of football to talk about a "dead offense"? Why aren't you talking about Bo, where was he? Where was Damien Harris? You put this on Hurts and fail to see the faults elsewhere. Team game man, one guy can't lose it for the team. Coach put in Freshmen everywhere, because guys weren't effective, not just because Hurts was failing.

 

[Tidestalker]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

You're trying to point out how things ended differently between the 2 seasons and didn't mention we were getting molly wopped at halftime with Jalen... Almost certainly would have ended exactly the same, a loss in the title game, if not for making the change. So what was the difference in the 2 seasons? The difference was that Tua came in and revived a dead offense.... Anyone who argues that was too drunk to remember the last month of the season.

You're wanting to use two quarters of football to talk about a "dead offense"? Why aren't you talking about Bo, where was he? Where was Damien Harris? You put this on Hurts and fail to see the faults elsewhere. Team game man, one guy can't lose it for the team. Coach put in Freshmen everywhere, because guys weren't effective, not just because Hurts was failing.

Using the Auburn, Clemson, and first half of UGA games. So 10 quarters.

And in regards to the others positions... They woke up when Tua came in! Big plays, points, deep balls... looked like a legitimate offense!

 

[BamaFan334]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

You're trying to point out how things ended differently between the 2 seasons and didn't mention we were getting molly wopped at halftime with Jalen... Almost certainly would have ended exactly the same, a loss in the title game, if not for making the change. So what was the difference in the 2 seasons? The difference was that Tua came in and revived a dead offense.... Anyone who argues that was too drunk to remember the last month of the season.

You're wanting to use two quarters of football to talk about a "dead offense"? Why aren't you talking about Bo, where was he? Where was Damien Harris? You put this on Hurts and fail to see the faults elsewhere. Team game man, one guy can't lose it for the team. Coach put in Freshmen everywhere, because guys weren't effective, not just because Hurts was failing.

Using the Auburn, Clemson, and first half of UGA games. So 10 quarters.

And in regards to the others positions... They woke up when Tua came in! Big plays, points, deep balls... looked like a legitimate offense!

Hurts had a higher QBR than Stidham and Bryant in eight of those quarters, so continue to say how bad he was, but he was the better quarterback statistically.

And who woke up? Najee, Tua, and Ruggs, true freshmen with little production, minus Ruggs. The defense woke up too, so that definitely helps.

 

[Tidestalker]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

You're trying to point out how things ended differently between the 2 seasons and didn't mention we were getting molly wopped at halftime with Jalen... Almost certainly would have ended exactly the same, a loss in the title game, if not for making the change. So what was the difference in the 2 seasons? The difference was that Tua came in and revived a dead offense.... Anyone who argues that was too drunk to remember the last month of the season.

You're wanting to use two quarters of football to talk about a "dead offense"? Why aren't you talking about Bo, where was he? Where was Damien Harris? You put this on Hurts and fail to see the faults elsewhere. Team game man, one guy can't lose it for the team. Coach put in Freshmen everywhere, because guys weren't effective, not just because Hurts was failing.

Using the Auburn, Clemson, and first half of UGA games. So 10 quarters.

And in regards to the others positions... They woke up when Tua came in! Big plays, points, deep balls... looked like a legitimate offense!

Hurts had a higher QBR than Stidham and Bryant in eight of those quarters, so continue to say how bad he was, but he was the better quarterback statistically.

And who woke up? Najee, Tua, and Ruggs, true freshmen with little production, minus Ruggs. The defense woke up too, so that definitely helps.

Stidham was 10 times the QB Hurts was in the Iron Bowl against the better defense. No idea why you'd bring that up... lol

Bryant got abused by our D. That just means Hurts was slightly less shitty and threw for all of 120 yards. Yay!

Do you really not understand that when Tua came in the ball got spread around, past the first option, which is what opened up legitimate production for more than just 1 dude (Ridley)? C'mon man. Hurts was a disaster when it came to using our weapons... Tua came in and everyone got involved! Wondering what you were watching?

 

[TerryP]

Re-read my posts... I'm not saying Jalen is a great passer or even has made any progression in that area... just that Saban puts a TON of emphasis on ball control... so it just depends on where the balance is between ball control and passing efficiency and how well Jalen stacks up in passing and how well Tua stacks up in ball control.

but we have seen without argument that his passing hasn’t improved

It's simply not true when people say "his passing hasn't improved." It did. You don't go from a 23-9 TD:INT ration to a 17:1 ratio without improvement. Nothing has changed from what I said several weeks ago. There are areas where he needs to improve. There are also areas where he's a good college quarterback. He's being judged on one aspect alone.

So... maybe 4 total quarters of film to study for next year, but for the UGA game only 2 real quarters of film to look through with any meaning.

We're also looking at a new offensive coordinator and the team continuing to move more towards (or back to, your call) a pro-based style of attack.

It's my opinion game film will be ready for opposing defense with Tua along the same time line as they were against Jalen--and when he struggled. As soon as teams saw they could crash the ends and disrupt Jalen that was their plan(s.) Mississippi State was the first team to expose that. (A game where Jalen's arm brought the Tide back, by the way.) There'll be kinks in the armor with Tua behind center as well--how long before opposing DC's discover them?

 

[BamaFan334]

Opposing defenses will look at Tua and see what he does best and try to take that away too... I think he's much more prone to make mistakes than Jalen, so it just depends on how much Saban values not making mistakes vs the ability to pass the ball efficiently... Just listening to Saban talk, I think you can tell he's still leaning Jalen because of ball security but also understand to win NC's you're going to need to be effective passing the ball.

If you refuse to throw the football unless your WRs are wide open or chose to make one read and take off wouldn't your degree of passing difficulty decrease immensely? Jalen threw the football for a hair more than 2000 yards last season. That is 700 yards less than the year before. Jalen threw for 112 yards vs the barn, 120 yards vs Clemson and 21 yards vs Georgia.

You are still poorly framing the argument at this point. With Jalen, the issue isn't turnovers, the issue is passing production against the best defenses in the nation.

Let's see, you're calling his argument poor, yet the one you put out there isn't very promising either. So he threw and rush for more yards in 2016, but he also turned it over more, and we lost the National Championship. He had fewer yards in 2017, turned it over eight less times, and the team won a National Championship.

QB change may have had something to do with it

Well one half of play didn't get the team to that point, so to say Tua won the National Championship is a simple minded argument. Who was the quarterback that won the eleven games to get us to where Tua even had a chance?

You're trying to point out how things ended differently between the 2 seasons and didn't mention we were getting molly wopped at halftime with Jalen... Almost certainly would have ended exactly the same, a loss in the title game, if not for making the change. So what was the difference in the 2 seasons? The difference was that Tua came in and revived a dead offense.... Anyone who argues that was too drunk to remember the last month of the season.

You're wanting to use two quarters of football to talk about a "dead offense"? Why aren't you talking about Bo, where was he? Where was Damien Harris? You put this on Hurts and fail to see the faults elsewhere. Team game man, one guy can't lose it for the team. Coach put in Freshmen everywhere, because guys weren't effective, not just because Hurts was failing.

Using the Auburn, Clemson, and first half of UGA games. So 10 quarters.

And in regards to the others positions... They woke up when Tua came in! Big plays, points, deep balls... looked like a legitimate offense!

Hurts had a higher QBR than Stidham and Bryant in eight of those quarters, so continue to say how bad he was, but he was the better quarterback statistically.

And who woke up? Najee, Tua, and Ruggs, true freshmen with little production, minus Ruggs. The defense woke up too, so that definitely helps.

Stidham was 10 times the QB Hurts was in the Iron Bowl against the better defense. No idea why you'd bring that up... lol

Bryant got abused by our D. That just means Hurts was slightly less shitty and threw for all of 120 yards. Yay!

Do you really not understand that when Tua came in the ball got spread around, past the first option, which is what opened up legitimate production for more than just 1 dude (Ridley)? C'mon man. Hurts was a disaster when it came to using our weapons... Tua came in and everyone got involved! Wondering what you were watching?

Statistics don't lie, and Hurts had a better QBR than Stidham. Hurts ability to escape sets him up for better statistics than folks want to give him credit for.

I was just making a point that Hurts doesn't need to be the best quarterback in the country to win the game, he just needs to be the best quarterback in OUR game, and he was again Clemson. You say our D destroyed Bryant, true. You forgetting who we played and how dominant their defense was, yet Hurts still managed to navigate them.

Ridley came alive, yes, and the pass interference calls helped up tremendously as well. Ridley is always there, so he didn't have to step it up which is why I did not mention him.

I have never said Hurts was a better quarterback than Tua. I am simply calling out all of the negativity spoiled brat garbage folks are spewing about Hurts. SEC Player of the Year as a Freshman, led us to two National Championship games in a row. He's doing something right and allowing his team to help him. You'll have to take me back to a quarterback we had that did it all for his team and didn't let his weapons take over. McCarron, maybe, but still allowed Richardson, Ingram, Yeldon, and Cooper, as well as those nasty defenses help out. You take a three game sample size, cherry picking, and try making a case Hurts is awful. Take the entire picturr, because like Coach Saban says, it's not one game that makes the season or the man.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Nick Saban is very loyal to those players that do their job at Bama EVEN when other players behind them are right on their hills as far as their play. Hurts got the starts in 2017 but that is over. The SJW will just have to get over it in time. The best QB will play and the one that can do the most things the best.

 

[scottyhk]

Can a team win in spite of their QB? One has to simply look at 1992 to get their answer. Here's the thing...one played well enough to get us there, the other played well enough to overcome a 13 point deficit for a win on the grandest of stages as a true freshman. There is a counter for each argument for or against each player. The validity of each is debatable. Ultimately, which player gives the team a better chance to win every week? Make an objective assessment and you'll have your answer. I may not know much, but I know who I would want to play against if I were the DC for an opposing team...

 

[TUSKtimes]

It's simply not true when people say "his passing hasn't improved." It did. You don't go from a 23-9 TD:INT ration to a 17:1 ratio without improvement. Nothing has changed from what I said several weeks ago. There are areas where he needs to improve. There are also areas where he's a good college quarterback. He's being judged on one aspect alone.

In fairness @TerryP if Jalen had the production and the eye optics that Mac Jones enjoyed in the spring game this would at least be a fair argument. Mac was the only one making progress in year 2 through the air. Mac threw some beautiful passes on time and he was trusting what he was seeing. It's the same as watching a golfer not being fully committed to his swing and expect anything less than the constant warning of "fore." It doesn't take being Peter Kostis to get this.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I was just making a point that Hurts doesn't need to be the best quarterback in the country to win the game, he just needs to be the best quarterback in OUR game, and he was again Clemson. You say our D destroyed Bryant, true. You forgetting who we played and how dominant their defense was, yet Hurts still managed to navigate them.

So with our talent level, you're saying we could pretty much win with anybody back there. How would you feel about Mac Jones leading this team, the spring game MVP?

I have never said Hurts was a better quarterback than Tua. I am simply calling out all of the negativity spoiled brat garbage folks are spewing about Hurts. SEC Player of the Year as a Freshman, led us to two National Championship games in a row.

If Jalen was chosen as the starter and Tua left, how would you feel about that? Jalen's dad makes that more than a fair question.