⚾ 🥎 Is the runner out?

 

[UAgrad93]

Rule 9:03, to paraphrase, you cannot argue fair or foul, ball or strike and safe or out. LOL

Like I replied earlier! I’m getting “run” for that!

 

[BamaFan334]

Different video, same play.

At the :10 mark look at the call. He's arm is going in a counter-clockwise circular motion as if to indicate he turned towards second.

It...does...not...matter...unless...he...committs. Not sure what folks don't seem to understand. A jerk or momentum doesn't mean he committed. It's an umpire call and nothing there shows he was committing to second. That would be all-time amazing body control if he committed to second and somehow redirected to first that quick.

It's very similar to base path questions where people simply don't seem to understand a baserunner makes his path, and once he deviates from his path it's considered an out. There isn't an imaginary path every runner is suppose to run in-line with. Frustrating for defenses at times, but also keeps runners from seeking out defenders when the ball is on the ground.

 

[Kamikazi18627]

It...does...not...matter...unless...he...committs. Not sure what folks don't seem to understand. A jerk or momentum doesn't mean he committed. It's an umpire call and nothing there shows he was committing to second. That would be all-time amazing body control if he committed to second and somehow redirected to first that quick.

It's very similar to base path questions where people simply don't seem to understand a baserunner makes his path, and once he deviates from his path it's considered an out. There isn't an imaginary path every runner is suppose to run in-line with. Frustrating for defenses at times, but also keeps runners from seeking out defenders when the ball is on the ground.

It’s a judgement call. Don’t leave calls up to an umpire judgement.

If he (the base runner) would have turned right, further into foul territory to return to 1st……like your taught, it would have been a non-issue.

 

[BamaFan334]

It’s a judgement call.

Correct. That's what I said. Simply stating the interpretation of the rules.

 

[Kamikazi18627]

Correct. That's what I said. Simply stating the interpretation of the rules.

Gotcha.

 

[TerryP]

It...does...not...matter...unless...he...committs.

The point of the post ... it appears to show what the umpire was thinking.

 

[BamaFan334]

The point of the post ... it appears to show what the umpire was thinking.

That's dangerous.

 

[Rsedge72]

He is out. Any baseball players will tell you and I also tell the kids I coach to turn away from the field when they reach the first back.. always turn to toward to First base coach, so that there's no doubt for Umpire to call you out if you get tagged.

Doesn’t matter which way you turn. It’s all about making a move to second.

 

[Rsedge72]

Only age you teach a turn away from the field is T-ball.
Every other age group is a sprint though and a “break down” looking to fence for past ball. You don’t “turn” your body or feet to the fence only your head looks to fence for ball.

 

[Rsedge72]

Ok so, it was a bad call. I texted with my former player (now an umpire). Says it looked to him that the ump may have turned his head briefly and assumed the player made a move to second. He said, there shouldn’t have been a call. He said the video quality was poor and he couldn’t be sure looking at the umps field of view as his head rotated.

 

[Kamikazi18627]

Ok so, it was a bad call. I texted with my former player (now an umpire). Says it looked to him that the ump may have turned his head briefly and assumed the player made a move to second. He said, there shouldn’t have been a call. He said the video quality was poor and he couldn’t be sure looking at the umps field of view as his head rotated.

That’s funny, cause my friend who is a former player turned ump saw the video and said the baserunner made a move towards second……out!

lol. It’s a complete judgement call.

 

[TerryP]

No question here. Someone was a little sore.

 

[Rsedge72]

No question here. Someone was a little sore.

Woww…

 

[Tidexc1]

That one is hard to tell from that angle if it is a runner lane violation. If he is touching the line he is considered in the running lane. He clearly interfered with the catch but there should be no violation if the runner was in the running lane since the ball was in fair territory.

 

[TerryP]

That one is hard to tell from that angle if it is a runner lane violation. If he is touching the line he is considered in the running lane. He clearly interfered with the catch but there should be no violation if the runner was in the running lane since the ball was in fair territory.

CTRL + F > running lane

5.09 Making an Out - Baseball Rules Academy

(a) Retiring the Batter A batter is out when: (1) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder; Rule 5.09(a)(1) Comment: A fielder may reach into, but not step into, a dugout to make a catch, and if he holds the ball, the catch shall be allowed. A...

baseballrulesacademy.com

 

[Tidexc1]

CTRL + F > running lane

English?

 

[TerryP]

English?

Sorry. LOL.

Control (CTRL) plus "F" gives you a "find/search window." Enter running lane. It'll bring up the rule.

 

[Tidexc1]

So do you think it was a violation?

 

[TerryP]

So do you think it was a violation?

Based on how I read the rule, yes. He should have been to the right of the line. To me, it's obstruction.

 

[TerryP]

@Tidexc1 I'm feeling more for the guy on 1st than I am the runner. That hurt.