🏈 Indecision At QB Is A Disaster

[ComeOnSon]

So you are whining about other people not letting him "give his opinion." So we shouldn't give OUR opinions. So his opinion matters more then ours is what you are saying? No one is "intimidating" anyone, its called calling a spade a spade. You're actually telling us not to do what YOU are doing by telling us not to do something. No one told him he couldnt give an opinion and just because someone has the freedom to give said opinion doesn't mean they are free from criticism of others opinions. So if you dont like it, tough.

I think he was talking more about the immediate reaction of telling someone to "shut the fuck up" instead of just debating their opinion and then insinuating that they might be 'slow', for lack of a better term, when they try to support it. Personally, I disagree with almost all of the OP's position but I will concede that over Saban's tenure McCarron is the only QB prospect that has lived up to the hype, for the most part, coming out of high school. Missing on evaluations or failure to develop? Got me, but I enjoy winning so I'm not complaining.

 

[JoshB]

I think he was talking more about the immediate reaction of telling someone to "shut the **** up" instead of just debating their opinion and then insinuating that they might be 'slow', for lack of a better term, when they try to support it. Personally, I disagree with almost all of the OP's position but I will concede that over Saban's tenure McCarron is the only QB prospect that has lived up to the hype, for the most part, coming out of high school. Missing on evaluations or failure to develop? Got me, but I enjoy winning so I'm not complaining.

I told him to shut the fuck up because I thought he was either a troll or not very bright (hence why I also referred to him as slow)... That is the risk you take when you give your opinion on the internet. I've been called worse and have called people worse, but I probably wouldnt have reacted to his post had it not come off so stupid to me...

Other than McCarron what hype? Until Cornwell, Barnett, and Hurts came AJ and Phillip Sims were the only four star+ QBs Saban has brought in and maybe Star Jackson (I dont remember if he was).

 

[JoshB]

Made sense to me *shrug*

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

Saban criticism is always going to ruffle feathers. And it should.

But this QB situation is different. Bateman offers none of the upside that any other guy who won the job prior had, whether that's great decisions, a giant arm, accuracy, etc. He's Blake Sims with less elusiveness and none of the deep ball ability, he's Coker without the cannon arm and toughness.

Barnett shit the bed and is out, so it's gonna take some guts to start a true frosh, but hopefully that happens. Kiffin is awesome but he can't manufacture a winning game plan of quick screens, bootleg sneak routes thrown behind the LOS, And other stuff thrown less than 5 yards downfield. Ole Miss has swarmed that stuff the last 2 years and will do it again in Oxford this year

 

[ElephantStomp]

People are going to soon realize that if you give your opinion on this site and it isn't the popular one somebody is going to resort to name calling and * like that. But, such is life and if you know something is going to happen if you do something and you do it anyway you've got no grounds to whine and boo hoo.

Saban is the best coach ever (as I've stated in another thread), but QB has been the area he's missed more than gotten right and if you don't think so you're an idiot plain and simple. But, anybody thinking they know who should be or shouldn't be QB is a bigger idiot.

I view Saban in the same light as I do with the fire dept I work for. He's the Chief and I might not agree with all of hia decisions, but he's in the position he's in because he probably knows a little more than me

 

[footballer]

Offensive line play dictates how well any qb plays and how well the offense plays in general. By all accounts, the offense sputters along against our defense, much the way it did last year in a lot of games when there were many breakdowns in our oline and too many tackles for loss on our rbs and qb pressures. Key was brought in for those reasons. Hopefully, he can make a difference this year as the starters gel into a cohesive unit.

 

[TerryP]

Plus another one of those crazy, in the grasp, throw up a prayer, almost gets picked, bounces perfectly to fall right in the hands of another WR TDs that seem to happen to Bama at least once per year.

You forgot the bouncing off the helmet perfectly.

I'm nitpicking here but recall, vividly, replaying one score where Kelly looked to be past the line of scrimmage. I'm still not sure, but ...

That was one of the weirdest football games I've seen in a long, long time. Geez, two of the turnovers on a kickoff? (Compare that to special teams play later on in the year.)

People are going to soon realize that if you give your opinion on this site and it isn't the popular one somebody is going to resort to name calling and * like that. But, such is life and if you know something is going to happen if you do something and you do it anyway you've got no grounds to whine and boo hoo.

It's that way everywhere with this quarterback rotation. Some are really getting emotionally involved to the point of getting pissed off about the possibility of Hurts seeing playing time this season. It's magnified by words like "significant role." It seems it bothers some to think about a frosh QB doing well.

On the other hand, the other two aren't getting a fair shake from that side of the aisle as well.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I don't always follow my own advice, but it's usually a bad idea to post after midnight. You never know if there's a bobcat or a lynx out on the same limb you're crawling out.

I remain a believer that a starting NFL QB is not a good measuring stick to determine how we recruit or utilize Bama QBs. A minority of great college QBs even carry a clipboard for more than a season or two in the NFL.

I also believe that we can't necessarily measure a Bama QB against those on the high octane "we can't stop you, but we can usually out-score you" teams. Control the ball, control the clock, bludgeon and demoralize the opponent. Quick strikes can do at least one of those four, rarely more than two, and can drain your own defense. There are times we absolutely utilize quick strikes (uga SECC, many long throws over the last two seasons), but more times than not it's after establishing the run.

It's possible Saban starts the least athletically gifted athlete - but the one that gives us the best chance to win. I see no blind spot in that regard.

RTR,

Tim

 

[TerryP]

I remain a believer that a starting NFL QB is not a good measuring stick to determine how we recruit or utilize Bama QBs.

To add to that, I don't see it as a good measuring stick for any college quarterback. While this is taking the stats to an extreme, how many QB's in the NFL have championship rings from college? Conference and national for that matter. I have no idea how many NFL QB's there are on rosters during the season; 90? Three per team? I'm guessing ... 10% of the QB's in the league have a ring from college?

When I start considering how Kiffin uses his 'playmakers,' the QB position quickly looses its importance on offense for me...OL>RB>QB/WR ...

 

[It Takes Eleven]

To add to that, I don't see it as a good measuring stick for any college quarterback. While this is taking the stats to an extreme, how many QB's in the NFL have championship rings from college? Conference and national for that matter. I have no idea how many NFL QB's there are on rosters during the season; 90? Three per team? I'm guessing ... 10% of the QB's in the league have a ring from college?

When I start considering how Kiffin uses his 'playmakers,' the QB position quickly looses its importance on offense for me...OL>RB>QB/WR ...

Here's a good article. OSU and Coker are the most recent entrants not mentioned. National Championship Quarterbacks in the NFL - The GridFe
I was guessing it's way less than 10%. Cam and AJ are in, along with Winston. I don't think Flynn's been picked up by anyone. McElroy, Tebow and Leak are out. That gets you back to Vince Young and Matt Leinart (both out). Mauck and Krenzel are both out, too. Beyond Flynn, Leinart and Young, none of the other currently out of the league had notable careers.

So, I think the number is three. Yes, three. But I didn't do a lot of research.

 

[UAgrad93]

I've said it before on threads much like this one. The QB position is the ABSOLUTE HARDEST position to evaluate when recruiting! For Saban to offer, he is going to want to see him throw in camp. Physical tools don't always shine or carry the day. The QB has got to be a mental GIANT! He has got to be a leader! These aren't going to seen in film or with him throwing in front of Saban and Kiffin. Some will look like a million bucks, but once they step into a meeting room for film study, they struggle recognizing coverages, pressures, disguises, etc. It really is a crap shoot!!

 

[BamaFan334]

Yeah, I don't think any one program or coach can be noted at Quarterback U or QB guru. You just never know, and so many schools have had a guy mame it in the NFL. I know they havn't played a down, but North Dakota State and Cal Berkley had a QB go Top 2 in the draft. If that doesn't speak to the parity of the position and schools that produce, I don't know what does. No one guy can claim multiple stars at the position without me researching. Brees from Purdue, Rivers from NC State, Dalton from TCU, Ryan from Boston College, Gabert from Missouri, Manning from Ole Miss. Newton from Auburn, Winston from Florida State, Mariota from Oregon, Palmer from USC, Osweiler from Arizona State, the list goes on from there of one time guys and one time schools.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Yeah, I don't think any one program or coach can be noted at Quarterback U or QB guru. You just never know, and so many schools have had a guy mame it in the NFL. I know they havn't played a down, but North Dakota State and Cal Berkley had a QB go Top 2 in the draft. If that doesn't speak to the parity of the position and schools that produce, I don't know what does. No one guy can claim multiple stars at the position without me researching. Brees from Purdue, Rivers from NC State, Dalton from TCU, Ryan from Boston College, Gabert from Missouri, Manning from Ole Miss. Newton from Auburn, Winston from Florida State, Mariota from Oregon, Palmer from USC, Osweiler from Arizona State, the list goes on from there of one time guys and one time schools.

On the wiki starting NFL QB site, I think I counted 8 or so SEC QBs as starters. Some won't stick into the regular season, but Romo's hinged clavicle may clear the way for Dak to start. He's looking like their clear #2 so far.

edit: it's actually 9. here's the link: List of starting quarterbacks in the National Football League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again, this list will change.

 

[94 Grad]

What is wrong with Nick Saban when it comes to QBs?
For one thing, he's never had a single QB at Alabama or LSU who could hack it in the NFL.
Secondly, we've had three straight QB battles that have gone on into the actual season, which is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. Why the **** can't the staff see who the better QB is?? Can you believe they're so incompetent with QBs that they were considering starting Alec Morris late into fall camp last year? How ******* blind are they?
Then, they short-circuited in the brain against Ole Miss last year and started the wrong ******* QB, and lost us the game, and almost lost us a chance at the title.

Now, mark my words here: Saban will start Cooper Bateman. At some point, Bateman is going to implode, we'll be in a bad position in the game, and IN COMES HURTS TO SAVE THE DAY. We'll lose that game, but the staff will finally realize that it should've been Hurts since Aug. 14, just like Coker last year.

Our staff has absolutely no instinct for what makes a good QB. I honestly don't know how they stumbled upon a real talent like Jalen Hurts.

First off, QB in the NCAA and NFL are two completely different games. One cannot really be compared to another.

Second, how many starting QB's are in the NFL? 32? How many "retire" each year... maybe 1.... not a lot of openings to get drafted and have a career as a "starting" QB.

Third, how many starting QB's in the NFL come from traditional "Power Houses" in the NCAA? Maybe 6?

In the NFL your QB has to make very quick decision and have very accurate throws. In the NCAA you're looking more at team chemistry and the ability to not turn the ball over. Some schools may need that "STAR" QB to be good team and compete for a NC, but a team built on a dynasty mentality actually doesn't look necessary look for that star QB because it's so hard to recruit that star player and if you do, you're one injury away from mediocrity. At the QB position, it's much more about personality and intelligence then it is performance. Both Sims and Coker had the personality to "lead" the team. I can't speak to their intelligence as I wasn't party to their decision making thought process, but you can see the leadership both exhibited on the field.

So, if you look at most college programs and their QB train... how many actually make a team even as a backup? I think Alabama's train has been pretty solid in that department, but their just isn't a lot a lot of openings in that starting role year in, year out... but on that note, isn't AJ doing pretty well at Cincinnati? I don't really follow that team much, but I had heard really good things about him there...

 

[Destiny's Child]

Birdman I actually had the same thougt about this uofarolltide cat last week. I actually posted that I couldn't tell is he was a troll or a 12 year old child.... never got a response from him so I am assuming the latter.

Take everything from him with a grain of salt...

 

[TUSKtimes]

Amazing the difference between what is needed in the NFL and the college game. No one need look any further than Alabama QBs for the answer. Bama, home of Bart Starr, the Snake, Joe Willie, Richard Todd, Brodie Croyle, AJ and who is the single season passing leader? Blake Sims. Why, cause he had the best arm of the bunch?

Stats and the truth seldom meet on a level playing field.

 

[Bama Ravens]

People are going to soon realize that if you give your opinion on this site and it isn't the popular one somebody is going to resort to name calling and * like that. But, such is life and if you know something is going to happen if you do something and you do it anyway you've got no grounds to whine and boo hoo.

Saban is the best coach ever (as I've stated in another thread), but QB has been the area he's missed more than gotten right and if you don't think so you're an idiot plain and simple. But, anybody thinking they know who should be or shouldn't be QB is a bigger idiot.

I view Saban in the same light as I do with the fire dept I work for. He's the Chief and I might not agree with all of hia decisions, but he's in the position he's in because he probably knows a little more than me

Wait a second, you just criticized the name calling that you say happens on this site when people share their opinions, but then said people who don't think Saban has missed on QBs are idiots. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[riz]

Lmao at our mediocre QB play. Dudes have won 4 titles and almost a fifth. And to think that we haven't translated to the NFL? There's what, 32 teams? 130+ D1, schools, countless lower division schools, yet only 32 jobs. Whatever.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Wait a second, you just criticized the name calling that you say happens on this site when people share their opinions, but then said people who don't think Saban has missed on QBs are idiots. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I didn't criticize the name calling I said people know ahead of time what's going to happen. I'm perfectly fine with somebody calling me something. But, it seems like it happens on this site a bunch then people start whining about it.

Besides if somebody is being an idiot then they're an idiot it's not make calling it's facts

 

[T&B]

I think the OP has stepped on some toes, but that doesn't mean that he does not have a point.

There is a case to be made for the QB situation being mishandled last season. Those reps in spring/fall camp are so valuable. After spring, and half of fall camp you shouldn't be splitting reps equally among 4 or 5 quarterbacks. As a staff you have got to identify who you are gonna get ready and get them ready. That is what they do with all the other positions so not sure why the most important position for reps would be treated any differently.

I think that is exactly why after they committed to Coker you saw a player that got a little better every week, and a team that took their play to the next level. Is it possible had the staff not split reps between so many QB's through spring and fall camp that the Coker that emerged later in the season could have maybe been present by the beginning of SEC play last year thus not losing the OM game ? IDK

Lets face it, something IS dysfunctional about not having a QB picked out by the time the SEC schedule starts. How many camps, practices, scrimmages, and quarters of actual football does the staff need to pick a QB ? Its frustrating for everyone involved I'm sure, but the team deserves to have that distraction taken care of sooner than later IMO. Its not as if the QB competition has to stop because the head coach names a starter. If that starter sh!ts the bed then its next man up, but why not at least give the illusion that someone has won the job for the sake of the team, and the confidence of the player that supposedly won the job.

Yeah I know CNS is the GOAT, and I'm just a guy on a sports board so this is purely for the sake of conversation.