🏈 I will get flamed for this ......

I would like to have seen Tua come in to change the pace a little - for a few series at least. This would have been a good game to use 2 QBs. There was no consistency on offense anyway.
I hope EVERYONE on the team is prepared for the bowl game. And be ready to play the best game of the season... None of this "we didn't play inspired because our hearts weren't in it" BS.
Like the Sugar Bowl against UTAH or OKLAHOMA a few years ago...
 
Just one thing I disagree with in your post. Alabama has won 25 of 27 when Jalen has started.
I see what you did there. I really like Jalen but he's topped out already. The inability of our defensive line to get to the Barn QB was as big a difference in the game as Jalen's poor play. The barn made 3rd and 5/6/9 at least 6 times...all due to their QB had time for those drag routes to come clean...over and over with Fitz trying to cover.
 
Still be one of th best 1 loss teams..
Ok los big at home to Iowa state
Clemson to nothing syracuse
Miami to somebody nothing
Uga to au
Au to lsu and Clemson
Osu big to a couple of teams.
We should be 6 th...
Be #1 all yr and cant fall that far...
All these teams had a bad outing along the way...
4 best teams...
Clemson
Ok
Miami
Au
Wisconsin
Bama
 
The issue isn't Jalen or the play calling. Last year and this year our issue is we score too quickly or punt in 3 or 4 plays. We no longer have an offensive line that can control and dominate a game and hence can't control the clock. We gave auburn WAY too much clock when you're playing 3rd stringers in the middle of the D... same thing last year in the NC game.

That game last night was 3 or 4 plays away from being a different game. It was a typical magic fufu dust Auburn performance.
 
The issue isn't Jalen or the play calling. Last year and this year our issue is we score too quickly or punt in 3 or 4 plays. We no longer have an offensive line that can control and dominate a game and hence can't control the clock. We gave auburn WAY too much clock when you're playing 3rd stringers in the middle of the D... same thing last year in the NC game.

That game last night was 3 or 4 plays away from being a different game. It was a typical magic fufu dust Auburn performance.
Bama couldn't make a 3rd down play on offense to keep a drive alive and the Bama defense couldn't make a 3rd stop time and time again to get the Barn off the field.

Bama lost 7 starters off the 2016 defense that are starters or playing early in the 1st Qtr in the NFL. Those that replaced them only replaced them as far as being a starter..

It will be interesting to see just what if any staff changes are made at Bama. JMO but the OL has many many highly ranked players that don't play so well. The DL coach might be another area of question and it appears he's not great at recruiting. We'll see.
 
Bama couldn't make a 3rd down play on offense to keep a drive alive and the Bama defense couldn't make a 3rd stop time and time again to get the Barn off the field.

Bama lost 7 starters off the 2016 defense that are starters or playing early in the 1st Qtr in the NFL. Those that replaced them only replaced them as far as being a starter..

It will be interesting to see just what if any staff changes are made at Bama. JMO but the OL has many many highly ranked players that don't play so well. The DL coach might be another area of question and it appears he's not great at recruiting. We'll see.

Man, I wish Bo Davis hadn't fucked up like he did.

And can we get Jeff Stoutland back on OL, PLEASE?
 
The issue isn't Jalen or the play calling. Last year and this year our issue is we score too quickly or punt in 3 or 4 plays. We no longer have an offensive line that can control and dominate a game and hence can't control the clock. We gave auburn WAY too much clock when you're playing 3rd stringers in the middle of the D... same thing last year in the NC game.

That game last night was 3 or 4 plays away from being a different game. It was a typical magic fufu dust Auburn performance.

Exactly right. The current O-Line doesn't seem to have that mean streak. Having said that, why have we given up on the run so easily all year? When the O-Line plays downhill, it builds confidence and they get meaner. Also, maybe we should have left Jonah on the right and let Leatherwood have a go at LT. Also, they had Johnson carry something like 30 times. That's all they got. We need to be willing to ride our horse with the hot hand. That sweep run where Bo didn't get the first down, getting tripped up by a 190 lb DB, should have been run by Damien.

Man, I wish Bo Davis hadn't fucked up like he did.

And can we get Jeff Stoutland back on OL, PLEASE?

Man, I wish that, too. Maybe Bo has been punished enough and we can bring him back! Our O-Line was a completely different machine when we had Stoutland. Of course, we weren't afraid to run the ball then either. Both lines have regressed for sure.
 
. The barn made 3rd and 5/6/9 at least 6 times...all due to their QB had time for those drag routes to come clean...over and over with Fitz trying to cover.

My foggy memory recalls Levi Wallace being the guy 1 step behind on most of those drags. That's a tough cover for anyone and speed isn't one of Levi's strengths. The caught us bringing LBs which makes easy throw. Pressure wasn't effective enough. Thought Stidham looked more confused when we covered and rushed 4. Oh well, guess that's all just water under the fridge.
 
The issue isn't Jalen or the play calling. Last year and this year our issue is we score too quickly or punt in 3 or 4 plays. We no longer have an offensive line that can control and dominate a game and hence can't control the clock. We gave auburn WAY too much clock when you're playing 3rd stringers in the middle of the D... same thing last year in the NC game.

That game last night was 3 or 4 plays away from being a different game. It was a typical magic fufu dust Auburn performance.

Sorry but I disagree about Jalen or the play calling not being an issue. Hurts couldn’t make plays that were there and looked lost at times (Saban even alluded to it). The play calling has to be evaluated when you look at the rushing #’s and the abandonment of what worked on that first drive of the 2nd half.
 
The issue isn't Jalen or the play calling. Last year and this year our issue is we score too quickly or punt in 3 or 4 plays. We no longer have an offensive line that can control and dominate a game and hence can't control the clock. We gave auburn WAY too much clock when you're playing 3rd stringers in the middle of the D... same thing last year in the NC game.

That game last night was 3 or 4 plays away from being a different game. It was a typical magic fufu dust Auburn performance.

We ran for almost 7 yards per carry with the RB's... 18 total attempts for 3 of em.... And play calling isn't an issue?

So confused.
 
Maybe we just have too much depth. We don't always get back to what works best. Damien getting 6 carries might be exhibit A. Just wasn't our finest moment overall and no one thing really caused it. Some years are like that.
 
I just have to comment, as if this post hasn't had some repetition.

1. Jalen Hurts is not all we hoped he'd be this year. He hasn't shown that he can carry the team on his shoulders in some big games (Clemson, Auburn). BUT, was he supposed to? Did he miss receivers? Maybe. Did he make a bad pass at the end? Yes. Does he step up in the pocket? Hardly ever, and the tackles are pushing the rushers back behind him and to the sides of him, so he HAS to learn to do that. Does he go thru his progressions well? Apparently not - we see it, and Saban alluded to letting him only read half the field on some plays. Jalen could decide quicker, and it amazes me that, when being rushed, he sometimes throws the ball away, and sometimes sprints out to the side to throw, which doesn't usually work well, and then other times, steps out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away, losing us 7 yards at times. Those are things he CANNOT do. Maybe he is at the top of his ability.

BUT, he's cool under pressure, apparently a good leader, a strong runner, and has a strong arm. He is 19 years and 3 months old. He has lost TWO games. He NEEDS to improve, and there is nothing wrong with expecting, and hoping, for more, based on the above observations, but HOW WELL is he being coached? And are plays being called to his strengths?

2. Concerning Jalen carrying the team on his shoulders, why should he have to? We have recruited AMAZING players at all positions - look at our RBs? And yet, we bitch, when Jalen screws up, or we have 2nd and 9, when the line DOES NOT BLOCK WELL!!! And I mean overall. Piersbacher has not impressed, Jonah Williams has not 'dominated' on the left side, and Cotton has just SUCKED. I may be wrong, the grading of these guys may be good, but I have seen big 'ol Cotton pull MANY times, and SO MANY times he doesn't hit ANYONE!!! That's ridiculous. The line is NOT nasty, NOT consistent, and NOT cohesive. Saban has mentioned it SO many times when reporters question Jalen's performance, mostly passing. And Bozeman, Cotton, and Piersbacher RETURNED from last year, and Jonah played with them. I am not criticizing Jonah, but he hasn't been all-worldly like he was on the right side. And good LORD how many times have I seen Hentges miss his assignment, and not hit ANYONE, in a running play. We have had a good running game not based on a good OL, but on good PLAYERS on the OL who sometimes make blocks for GREAT RBs!!!! And without a good running game, every D can key on Hurts.

3. We played a TERRIBLE game against Auburn from the WR position. Bless Jeudy for coming up with that ball. You can see why Foster was so coveted as a recruit - height and speed, which can't be coached. Sadly, apparently, neither can Foster be coached! All he had to do was turn up - first down! Didn't run the route right, but if he turns up hard and stretches, first down. Couldn't do it. And God bless Ridley, who's great at high pointing but couldn't come up with the catch at our 30 before the half. And Sims is big but doesn't seem to play hard to me in getting open, although he blocks great. How many times did Danielson show all our guys covered? Was it the routes? When the unsportsmanlike happened in the 1st half, we had 2 guys running their routes side by side - easy to defend THAT!

4. WHAT THE HELL, DABOLL?????? Not only not calling plays to Hurts strengths on the pass, but RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!!! The line was actually in a rhythm the second half, and we could start tiring out a good auburn D, and ..... what the hell???!!!!!!

So many are despairing of what could have been with Tua playing - I wish he had played! He makes things happen, and he's good! BUT....

1. If the line blocks for Jalen better, he'd perform better. The blocking wasn't terrible, but it was average - he needed more time.

2. IF the receivers had done a better job - easy for me to say, but I think they could have and should have - the game could have gone differently.

3. IF the line blocked well in the running game we would have changed time of possession, wore the aubie defense down better, and put Hurts in a better situation overall.

4. If we had more runs called, even to Jalen, which I don't like, I think the O would have been more successful.

I don't care who the QB is - I love the Tide and these kids work so hard and I want them to succeed for those reasons. If Tua is best, play him. If playing both works, do it. Am I happy with Jalen's development? No, but he IS improving, just too slow for many of us spoiled fans.

Roll Tide, and let's hope we get another chance at the playoff this year!
 
Damien Harris hasn't had more than nine carries since Alabama defeated Tennessee. In fact, in the last four games, Jalen Hurts has ran 23 more times than Harris and gained 15 fewer yards than Harris.

We fed Henry and won a title.

This bullshit system that has no identity is killing our ability to sustain drives.

Tua should have made an appearance to see if he could spark the O. Love Jalen, but DGAF about his pride. If both players offer different intangibles that can help us win then fuc*#! DO IT ! !

Everything was doomed when somebody decided to move an AA RT to LT. I said it then, I'll say it now... moving Jonah to LT was a disaster. He has regressed as a LT, and his replacement at RT is nowhere near as good as he was so... both tackle positions got worse this year. I've tried starting conversations about it here before, but got little feed back but,... does everyone see now that the oline is beyond fucked ?

That one move also blocked the way to playing time for leatherwood.

Imagine this line given an opportunity starting at fall camp:

Lt leatherwood - LG RP - C BB - RG Wills- RT Jonah W


Bottom line last two huge playoff type games Bama has not made plays, and their opposition has. Ridley dropping that third down pass before half was a killer. Foster not falling forward for one yard was a killer. Harris not getting carries second half, Bo Scar inability to get one yard vs a 180 pound DB in the open field, etc., etc.,
 
Damien Harris hasn't had more than nine carries since Alabama defeated Tennessee. In fact, in the last four games, Jalen Hurts has ran 23 more times than Harris and gained 15 fewer yards than Harris.

We fed Henry and won a title.

This bullshit system that has no identity is killing our ability to sustain drives.

Tua should have made an appearance to see if he could spark the O. Love Jalen, but DGAF about his pride. If both players offer different intangibles that can help us win then fuc*#! DO IT ! !

Everything was doomed when somebody decided to move an AA RT to LT. I said it then, I'll say it now... moving Jonah to LT was a disaster. He has regressed as a LT, and his replacement at RT is nowhere near as good as he was so... both tackle positions got worse this year. I've tried starting conversations about it here before, but got little feed back but,... does everyone see now that the oline is beyond fucked ?

That one move also blocked the way to playing time for leatherwood.

Imagine this line given an opportunity starting at fall camp:

Lt leatherwood - LG RP - C BB - RG Wills- RT Jonah W


Bottom line last two huge playoff type games Bama has not made plays, and their opposition has. Ridley dropping that third down pass before half was a killer. Foster not falling forward for one yard was a killer. Harris not getting carries second half, Bo Scar inability to get one yard vs a 180 pound DB in the open field, etc., etc.,

Agree on tackle situation but who is BB at center next year? Bozeman is a Sr. Brandon Kennedy was running 2nd team at center before season ending injury s few weeks back. Finding a solid replacement for BB will be crucial. Dare I say it, OL has chance to be dominant 2018.
 
Jalen had his worst game as a starting QB at Alabama, bar none. He didn't see open receivers. He didn't manage the clock. He didn't get the team lined up as time ran down in the 4th quarter. He carried the ball loosely. That doesn't mean Tua is ready or should take over from Jalen. Who do I blame? Let's make a list.

Hurts
The OL
The DL
Daboll (the opening drive of the 2nd half worked to perfection. Why didn't he continue?)
DBs (their tackling was horrendous)

At this point in the list, let's just put it on the entire team and coaching staff. They were capable of so much more.

Well said, OP. There are so many things that I'm still dumbfounded about--though over the loss.

You mention Hurts. Think about this and tell me ... Jalen scrambling and eventually runs out of bounds for a little less than a 10 yard loss. (I'd like to know what he was seeing while hoping he was waiting for a wide receiver to break.) I've seen that a time, maybe two, but never in that kind of situation. Where did that come from?

Were you not wide-eyed with two snaps in a row that were that bad? Where...wha...I mean.

Some makes sense considering we've talked about these things repeatedly. Foster ran a bad route and ends up a yard short. Fundamentals. We knew about those issues.

Reading through opinions the last few hours and I've seen the range from asinine to astute. Pretty easy in my book ...

At this point in the list, let's just put it on the entire team and coaching staff. They were capable of so much more.
 
here is scenario nobody is talking about ... Auburn wounded plays awful but manages to beat georgia. Commitee decides Auburn too wounded, Georgia with two losses ... Bama makes it from SEC.

Gump can dream
 
I'll make one more point to the Hurts haters out there, and I'll let it go...

Who would you rather have under center at Alabama? You want the quarterbacks from Florida? You want the quarterbacks from Tennessee? You want Danny Etling? Would you rather have Jake Fromm? Want any of the guys Michigan has been throwing out there? Luke Faulk has been benched at Washington State, want him?

JT Barrett has been as up and down as a quarterback can be in his tenure in Columbus. The guy looks like a Heisman contender one week, and then goes dormant for three weeks at a time (mind you of the Iowa game, and Oklahoma).

Kelly Bryant has been good for Clemson, but he has also been lost and needed his backs and receivers to bail him out in multiple games this season, and he's a Junior!

Rosen and Darnold are both turnover machines out West in a conference that doesn't play defense. Slinging it 50 times a game and still not blowing the field away. They say Rosen is the best high school recruit at quarterback they have ever seen and most likely the top NFL pick, can read coverage, get through his progressions, and boom, still turns the ball over and is not very effective. Both UCLA and USC have talent, so we can't say they lack playmakers.

Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, and Nick Fitzgerald may be the only three guys in the country I would rather have as my quarterback over Jalen. Remember when Fitzgerald threw it out of the back of the endzone on the final play against us? You would have jumped off a cliff had Hurts done that. Shit happens. Lamar and Jalen are very similar with Jackson having better stats because he's the only player on their offense this year where Jalen has five studs behind him to hand the ball off too. I'm not going to knock Hurts on playing SEC defenses over the softer defenses played by most ACC schools outside of Clemson and maybe Florida State. Not even going to compare the SEC defenses to the Big 12 as we know that is full of laughter. In the end, who would you rather have as your guy? Tua may be the second coming, but until he can win the job like Hurts did over three other guys and take us to a National Championship in which he scored with like two minutes left to put us on top, then you cannot whine about who is under center. It's just too easy to say next guy up rather than stand behind your guy that is a true sophomore and had a bad outing,a long with the other guys that stepped on the field with him and the coaches that called it.
 
JMO but if you kid yourself into believing Jalen is going to turn into a elite passing QB then you're fooling yourself. The kid is a winner and great kid but he has maxed as a QB. Bama's problem and they are many start at the Desk of Nick Saban. The rotation of RB's was a f joke at best. Bo should be the 4 or 5 back(must be in injury but he ain't it). Mario got blamed for the OL's poor play but it is clear he isn't the problem. The design of the offensive passing games is either really complex are it is just pathetic since we never have anybody really wide open. I have no problem with Ridley going early. His seems to be a little bitch anyway with his body language but one thing you see clear is he isn't happy with Jalen's inability to get the ball to him.

You just don't tell a great player he will be a leader of a team....that person tells and shows the team he will be a leader. I think we're short of those type players as of today. Problem is you have near 250 more days before you start the 2018 season. Getting beat by the Barn is always terrible but how the Bama team played when playing for a shot at the title was/is a concern.
 
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