🏈 I have never trusted the info from PFF (Pro Football Focus on X) or PFF_College.

[BamaFan334]

Part of the game.

No it ain't. It's extracurricular. Where does shit talking fall into the gameplan? Where do the coach's spend time on that during the week?

 

[mando]

Then he retired, and we have a new coach...

The two greatest coaches to ever do it were old school....

 

[BamaFan615]

Ya know I’ve wondered at times, if a young Saban was starting his tenure at Alabama right now, in this version of college football, would he be as successful now as he was in the old version of college football? And I think the answer to that is ‘no’, he wouldn’t be able to duplicate what he did. NIL and the transfer portal just brings so much parity across the conference and the sport as a whole. Mainly because we’re not able to stack 5-stars four deep on the depth chart.

BUT, he’d still be a damn successful coach.

I think it’s also fair to say, and maybe this has been discussed here before, but CKD really kind of had to rebuild the entire roster. It’s hilarious to even say because the roster was still extremely talented - hell, one game away from play in another NC the season previous. But the rebuilding of the roster wasn’t from a talent standpoint, it’s from a cultural standpoint point.

You’ve heard in interviews recently of players saying last year not everyone had bought in the CKD.

 

[TerryP]

But the rebuilding of the roster wasn’t from a talent standpoint, it’s from a cultural standpoint point.

This.

This is what I'm banking on. @BamaFan334 "When Courtney walked off the plane." I'm still left scratching my head here. When he was hired and it was posted that there was a huge shift in the athletic department people seemed to think that was a by-line. (it's a rant morning it appears.)

 

[TerryP]

@OldPlayer Sorry. You are this morning's point. You would call this a stat.

NO ONE hit the portal after spring ball. Tampax sponsored post because Lisa hit me in the head again...is there something I need to explain here? @BamaFan334 she threw my blue A fishing hook hat at me reading this thread...

No one knows what the fall brings. I see people making stuff up.

 

[BamaFan334]

This.

This is what I'm banking on. @BamaFan334 "When Courtney walked off the plane." I'm still left scratching my head here. When he was hired and it was posted that there was a huge shift in the athletic department people seemed to think that was a by-line. (it's a rant morning it appears.)

It does appear DeBoer has found some steady ground and planting his feet. It's exciting to see for sure. I'll be interested to see how the season goes as we have a couple of tough road games early and a good home schedule. I think he actually has a capable quarterback that is gonna shock a lot of folks and come out of nowhere compared to all these preseason lists.

The only thing I want is a controlled environment where the prisoners aren't running the jail and we play good football. Most importantly I want good guys representing our university, because all this loud mouthed BS we are seeing with baseball is weak and pathetic. Shows lack of control and discipline. Too many people trying to earn NIL by "shock factor" and be social media hits. It's not productive society acting like a dickwad just to go viral.

I have faith in DeBoer and extremely excited about this Fall. Recruiting appears to be good, even without the recognition that Lanning and Riley are getting. Laying in the weeds ready to strike rather than being the target is new and exciting.

 

[TerryP]

Most importantly I want good guys representing our university, because all this loud mouthed BS we are seeing with baseball is weak and pathetic. Shows lack of control and discipline.

My question. Where? What "shit talkers" are we talking about here?

 

[Justneedme81]

My question. Where? What "shit talkers" are we talking about here?

That's the part that's confusing. I just don't understand. For some reason everyone is having hard time understanding that What Ryan Williams said was considered trash talking when it's not. As far as Baseball, Baseball isn't the same without trash talking. that's part of the game. You could say the same about players joking around and pulling immature stunts during the game.

This is why I said that most people have old school mentality approach to this because they're always comparing to Saban. Saban had almost perfect process, but shit... If only you knew about things that occured on sidelines and during the game under saban...

 

[Justneedme81]

No it ain't. It's extracurricular. Where does shit talking fall into the gameplan? Where do the coach's spend time on that during the week?

This is the part where it even get more confusing. You mean to tell me that you have never played a sport where you talked shit throughout the game to a player, whether it was baseball, football and basketball? I find that hard to believe. What does that have to do with game plan? What does that have to do with what coaches does during the week? It's simple: Show up and execute the game plan. You're always going to have players talking shit to each other throughout the game. Sometime coaches catch it, sometime they don't. It been going on for long long time. If you think that didn't happen under Saban.... you might want to check that again. You act like it's a dementrial to the sports. Larry Bird, Larry Johnson, Micheal Jordan, Charles barkley, Ja Morent, Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Magic Johnson, and then we go to NFL, Peyton Manning, Walter Jones, Chad Ocho, Tua, Waddle, and then we go to baseball, Nolen Ryan, Greg Maddux, and many many players does this... It just doesn't always show up on tv.

 

[BamaFan334]

My question. Where? What "shit talkers" are we talking about here?

Not talking about our guys, just sports in general.

 

[Justneedme81]

Not talking about our guys, just sports in general.

Okay you were talking about it in general. I gotcha.

 

[BamaFan334]

This is the part where it even get more confusing. You mean to tell me that you have never played a sport where you talked shit throughout the game to a player, whether it was baseball, football and basketball? I find that hard to believe. What does that have to do with game plan? What does that have to do with what coaches does during the week? It's simple: Show up and execute the game plan. You're always going to have players talking shit to each other throughout the game. Sometime coaches catch it, sometime they don't. It been going on for long long time. If you think that didn't happen under Saban.... you might want to check that again. You act like it's a dementrial to the sports. Larry Bird, Larry Johnson, Micheal Jordan, Charles barkley, Ja Morent, Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Magic Johnson, and then we go to NFL, Peyton Manning, Walter Jones, Chad Ocho, Tua, Waddle, and then we go to baseball, Nolen Ryan, Greg Maddux, and many many players does this... It just doesn't always show up on tv.

Please share ANY moment one of those aforementioned players ever looked at a dugout, sideline, or courtside and said "fuck you" to someone where everyone saw and heard it.

Ja Morant??? You really wanna use that asshole as an example for why "new school" is acceptible??? Threatening to shoot team and facility workers? Getting multiple suspensions for being an idiot? Throw his dad in there too.

Talking crap and being strategic about it is 100% different than having no regard for decency and being a "menace to society" as so many Vol fans have described their boy Liam.

It's all been escalated from the Bird/Jordan days where "Hey Mike, having an off night" has escalated into "fuck you you fucking pussy and your girl". Look at Ryan Clark going after Robert Griffin III if we need a current non-athlete situation. Give me old school any day. Atleast be clever enough to have some tact.

 

[OldPlayer]

@OldPlayer Sorry. You are this morning's point. You would call this a stat.

NO ONE hit the portal after spring ball. Tampax sponsored post because Lisa hit me in the head again...is there something I need to explain here? @BamaFan334 she threw my blue A fishing hook hat at me reading this thread...

No one knows what the fall brings. I see people making stuff up.

Let’s go back to the original issue. A stat versus a record. Stats are everywhere. How many strokes you used to brush your teeth. Number of runs scored in an inning/game/season. The time it takes to drive to work/restaurant/friend’s house. The average number of plays in a scoring drive. All of these things can be measured so they are stats. Just because it is a stat doesn’t mean it is a record. It becomes a record when it is a common measurement consistently compared to others.

Too many organizations (press, companies) now try to make news by using stats that aren’t a common measurement compared to others but claiming a record. The midweek OOC wins is an example. Can you show me a ranking (common measurement) of all SEC teams’ midweek OOC wins? Can you give me another team’s midweek OOC win record? It’s a “record” for PR purposes only. It may be the best stat for Alabama (have you seen a ranking of Alabama’s midweek OOC wins for previous seasons?) but to call it a record is a bit over generous.

 

[BamaFan615]

I get that talk trash during the game is just part of it nowadays. Trying to get in someone’s head - I get it.

I’m going to butcher this quote, but RW saying we’re going to smash a fly with a sledgehammer.

If an Auburn player, or any team for that matter had said that about Alabama it would be posted about 10 different spots in our facility and recounted by players, coaches, and fans until we played that team.

Why? Because it gives you an extra edge to fight against that team. Look no further than we hung 63 on Vandy when “Bama you’re next” happened. Guarantee Saban used that all week as motivation.

I get it’s Vandy, and it’s probably ‘whatever’, but then we go back to the parity discussion. They aren’t the Vandy of old, and 2020 Bama ain’t walking through that door. So why give them a little extra juice? Just not something you do as a competitor IMO.

And I will say, I think there’s a difference between talking on the field and talking through the media/podcasts.

 

[Justneedme81]

I get that talk trash during the game is just part of it nowadays. Trying to get in someone’s head - I get it.

I’m going to butcher this quote, but RW saying we’re going to smash a fly with a sledgehammer.

If an Auburn player, or any team for that matter had said that about Alabama it would be posted about 10 different spots in our facility and recounted by players, coaches, and fans until we played that team.

Why? Because it gives you an extra edge to fight against that team. Look no further than we hung 63 on Vandy when “Bama you’re next” happened. Guarantee Saban used that all week as motivation.

I get it’s Vandy, and it’s probably ‘whatever’, but then we go back to the parity discussion. They aren’t the Vandy of old, and 2020 Bama ain’t walking through that door. So why give them a little extra juice? Just not something you do as a competitor IMO.

And I will say, I think there’s a difference between talking on the field and talking through the media/podcasts.

Where in this quote that suggeset he was talking trash?


Gruden asked Ryan Williams what happened to the Tide in the 40-35 loss to Vanderbilt.



"They just played a better football game than us," Williams said. "We came out slow, and they capitalized. They held the ball. They had their game plan, and they executed it."



Alabama will get Diego Pavia and the Vanderbilt Commodores again this season, this time in Tuscaloosa. Ryan Williams and Alabama aren't looking at it as a "revenge game," however.



"We gonna kill an ant with a sledgehammer this year," Williams told Gruden.



"Every game that we fell short last year, we definitely got red eyes going into them."

 

[BamaFan334]

Where in this quote that suggeset he was talking trash?


Gruden asked Ryan Williams what happened to the Tide in the 40-35 loss to Vanderbilt.



"They just played a better football game than us," Williams said. "We came out slow, and they capitalized. They held the ball. They had their game plan, and they executed it."



Alabama will get Diego Pavia and the Vanderbilt Commodores again this season, this time in Tuscaloosa. Ryan Williams and Alabama aren't looking at it as a "revenge game," however.



"We gonna kill an ant with a sledgehammer this year," Williams told Gruden.



"Every game that we fell short last year, we definitely got red eyes going into them."

I have absolutely zero issues with this. Ryan Williams carries himself like an Alabama man should and I am extremely happy to have him in our program. If every player was like him, I think there would be way more decency and humility in sports and then it tra slates off the field to kids.

 

[mando]

we play good football

My qualifier here would be to play with discipline, toughness and with class. In my view for sustained success those things are required.. W/o them eventually it implodes. Never seen any program sustain excellence w/o those.

 

[TerryP]

I'm thinking of a running back who told a Tennessee coach "you said Bama would be out of a business." A Saban RB...