I saw this website and then researched a couple others and am searching for the truth. can anyone help me??? I really want to know so a longstanding argument can be settled with my Auburn loving brother.
| FTBL I am not trying to open a can of worms but...........
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I didn't read it, but I'm sure it's all true. Those folks don't have a chip on their shoulder about us, so you can expect them to speak'th the truth in an unbiased manner on all things BAMA.
heres the meat and potatos......OKAY, WE GOT THE HISTORY LESSON. NOW TELL US WHY SOME OF ALABAMA'S TITLES ARE FRAUDS!
Glad you asked. Alabama claims national titles for the following years: 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992. Other than the first three, we'll go over each season individually.
1925, 1926, 1930. All back-dated titles. These titles were awarded years after the fact. Four teams could claim a back-dated title in 1925, eight teams in 1926, and two in 1930. See how inconsistent back-dated titles were? Doesn't matter. They don't really exist. Pure and simple resume embellishment. Strike 3 titles from Bama's record.
1934--The first year for the AP poll, given to Minnesota. Alabama received 11 selectors choosing them, but I'm sure most of them were back-dated--impossible to know for sure. Minnesota had 29 selectors, most of them probably back-dated, but they got the only one that counted--the AP. Strike another title from Bama's record.
1941--The most belligerent of Alabama's bogus titles. Alabama finished the season with 2 losses and ranked #20 in the final AP poll. But one of the minor selectors out of over 30 chose Alabama, and evidently, that's the only excuse they needed. Five other teams that year would have a superior claim over Alabama's if you counted minor selectors, but we don't.
I'm not really sure how many years after the fact Bama raised this banner, but you can bet it was many--so that not many people might notice. Strike another title from their record--we're on a roll--up to five, now!
1961--Ahh, the beginning of the Bear era, and the golden age of Tide football. Alabama was pretty much a consensus champion, with both of the major polls, the AP and UPI, going their way. Some minor selectors chose Texas and Ohio State, but this title is solid. Score one legitimate title!
1964-- A 10-1 Alabama team claims a national title in 1964 in spite of an 11-0 Arkansas team having a better claim. Here, an instance of both the AP and UPI, which voted Alabama # 1 that year, still voting prior to the bowl game. Had the polls been conducted after the bowls, then I'm sure it would have been a consensus Arkansas pick because Alabama lost to Texas in the Orange bowl, but Arkansas beat Texas during the regular season. I honor Alabama's title because that was the rules that were in place at the time. Chalk up another legitimate title for the Tide, although reason would probably confer it on Arkansas.
1965--The first of Alabama's supposed two back-to-back titles. It was a split decision between the 9-1-1 Tide, who dropped the first game to Georgia and tied Tennessee, winning the AP title, and Michigan State, 10-1, dropping the Rose Bowl, winning the UPI crown--again, bestowed BEFORE the bowl games, while the AP that year was done afterwards. Two other teams, Arkansas and Dartmouth, also got a few minor selectors to choose them, but an AP title is gold, so score another legitimate title for the Tide, now up to three.
1966--Okay, Alabama does not claim this year as a national title, but here's the really strange part. Curiously, Alabama got shafted in 1966 by both the AP and UPI despite going 11-0 but finishing behind in both polls to Notre Dame and Michigan State, both who were 9-0-1 (yes, they tied each other) What's even stranger is that Alabama didn't claim a title anyway, considering that some minor selectors did choose them as national champs and that's seemingly all you need if you're Alabama. Very strange indeed why Alabama doesn't 'officially' claim this, although I think they honor it in some small way.
1973--Alabama goes 11-1 and is chosen by the UPI. Notre Dame goes 11-0 and is crowned by the AP as NC. Who did the Irish beat in the Sugar Bowl? Why, Alabama, for their only loss. Why in the hell did Alabama get a national championship after losing their bowl game to the real national champion? Because the UPI was still choosing their champion BEFORE the bowl games. How crazy is that? Pretty crazy, by today's standards. If Alabama had any sense of decency, they would refuse to claim 1973 as a title year since they lost the de facto national championship game to the real champions. Only a petulant child would disagree. All reason says strike this title from the record!
1978--Split title year, AP going to Alabama, and the UPI going to USC. A funny thing happened on the way to the forum, however. Alabama LOST to USC during the regular season. But alas, USC lost a regular season game too, and the two teams did not meet in a bowl game. So be it. Chalk up title number four to Bama, even if they did share it with a team they lost to at home.
1979--The goal-line stand title, against Penn State in the Sugar Bowl. Most of us remember watching that game. Alabama was 12-0 and took all the marbles and most of the selectors. No argument here. Score number five in legitimate titles!
1992--Alabama's only 'modern' day title, complete with all the 24 hour media attention afforded 'national championship' bowl match-ups, in this case a beat-down of Miami in the Sugar Bowl. Absolutely no doubt. Final tally to date, six legitimate national championships.
IS THIS TRUE????????????????????????.
Glad you asked. Alabama claims national titles for the following years: 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992. Other than the first three, we'll go over each season individually.
1925, 1926, 1930. All back-dated titles. These titles were awarded years after the fact. Four teams could claim a back-dated title in 1925, eight teams in 1926, and two in 1930. See how inconsistent back-dated titles were? Doesn't matter. They don't really exist. Pure and simple resume embellishment. Strike 3 titles from Bama's record.
1934--The first year for the AP poll, given to Minnesota. Alabama received 11 selectors choosing them, but I'm sure most of them were back-dated--impossible to know for sure. Minnesota had 29 selectors, most of them probably back-dated, but they got the only one that counted--the AP. Strike another title from Bama's record.
1941--The most belligerent of Alabama's bogus titles. Alabama finished the season with 2 losses and ranked #20 in the final AP poll. But one of the minor selectors out of over 30 chose Alabama, and evidently, that's the only excuse they needed. Five other teams that year would have a superior claim over Alabama's if you counted minor selectors, but we don't.
I'm not really sure how many years after the fact Bama raised this banner, but you can bet it was many--so that not many people might notice. Strike another title from their record--we're on a roll--up to five, now!
1961--Ahh, the beginning of the Bear era, and the golden age of Tide football. Alabama was pretty much a consensus champion, with both of the major polls, the AP and UPI, going their way. Some minor selectors chose Texas and Ohio State, but this title is solid. Score one legitimate title!
1964-- A 10-1 Alabama team claims a national title in 1964 in spite of an 11-0 Arkansas team having a better claim. Here, an instance of both the AP and UPI, which voted Alabama # 1 that year, still voting prior to the bowl game. Had the polls been conducted after the bowls, then I'm sure it would have been a consensus Arkansas pick because Alabama lost to Texas in the Orange bowl, but Arkansas beat Texas during the regular season. I honor Alabama's title because that was the rules that were in place at the time. Chalk up another legitimate title for the Tide, although reason would probably confer it on Arkansas.
1965--The first of Alabama's supposed two back-to-back titles. It was a split decision between the 9-1-1 Tide, who dropped the first game to Georgia and tied Tennessee, winning the AP title, and Michigan State, 10-1, dropping the Rose Bowl, winning the UPI crown--again, bestowed BEFORE the bowl games, while the AP that year was done afterwards. Two other teams, Arkansas and Dartmouth, also got a few minor selectors to choose them, but an AP title is gold, so score another legitimate title for the Tide, now up to three.
1966--Okay, Alabama does not claim this year as a national title, but here's the really strange part. Curiously, Alabama got shafted in 1966 by both the AP and UPI despite going 11-0 but finishing behind in both polls to Notre Dame and Michigan State, both who were 9-0-1 (yes, they tied each other) What's even stranger is that Alabama didn't claim a title anyway, considering that some minor selectors did choose them as national champs and that's seemingly all you need if you're Alabama. Very strange indeed why Alabama doesn't 'officially' claim this, although I think they honor it in some small way.
1973--Alabama goes 11-1 and is chosen by the UPI. Notre Dame goes 11-0 and is crowned by the AP as NC. Who did the Irish beat in the Sugar Bowl? Why, Alabama, for their only loss. Why in the hell did Alabama get a national championship after losing their bowl game to the real national champion? Because the UPI was still choosing their champion BEFORE the bowl games. How crazy is that? Pretty crazy, by today's standards. If Alabama had any sense of decency, they would refuse to claim 1973 as a title year since they lost the de facto national championship game to the real champions. Only a petulant child would disagree. All reason says strike this title from the record!
1978--Split title year, AP going to Alabama, and the UPI going to USC. A funny thing happened on the way to the forum, however. Alabama LOST to USC during the regular season. But alas, USC lost a regular season game too, and the two teams did not meet in a bowl game. So be it. Chalk up title number four to Bama, even if they did share it with a team they lost to at home.
1979--The goal-line stand title, against Penn State in the Sugar Bowl. Most of us remember watching that game. Alabama was 12-0 and took all the marbles and most of the selectors. No argument here. Score number five in legitimate titles!
1992--Alabama's only 'modern' day title, complete with all the 24 hour media attention afforded 'national championship' bowl match-ups, in this case a beat-down of Miami in the Sugar Bowl. Absolutely no doubt. Final tally to date, six legitimate national championships.
IS THIS TRUE????????????????????????.
When that first came out I made it through the first few lines and stopped.
It's the kind of "mantra" Auburn fans, and a lot of other rivals SEC team fans, like to throw out there in an effort to diminish the accomplishments of the Crimson Tide.
I'll suggest this. Ask him about their NC's. He's probably going to mention three. '57 being a split with Ohio State where their president petitioned a lot of people to vote for Auburn. One point of note, they were on probation at the time.
Then he'll likely mention one of the years Auburn went undefeated under Terry Bowden. Oh, they were on probation at the time and couldn't even been seen on TV.
Then, we have 2004 with the illustrious People's National Championship where the true winner was USC but the owner of the poll dialed the final voting date back just enough to Auburn would be the winner.
If you are talking with, or friends with, an Auburn fan who spends his time talking about Alabama perhaps you should do one of two things. Find a different friend or don't talk football. :lol:
Just for the record, the NCAA (on their official site) has Bama listed with either 17 or 19 (can't remember which right now) National Titles. We choose to honor 12 of those teams.
It's the kind of "mantra" Auburn fans, and a lot of other rivals SEC team fans, like to throw out there in an effort to diminish the accomplishments of the Crimson Tide.
I'll suggest this. Ask him about their NC's. He's probably going to mention three. '57 being a split with Ohio State where their president petitioned a lot of people to vote for Auburn. One point of note, they were on probation at the time.
Then he'll likely mention one of the years Auburn went undefeated under Terry Bowden. Oh, they were on probation at the time and couldn't even been seen on TV.
Then, we have 2004 with the illustrious People's National Championship where the true winner was USC but the owner of the poll dialed the final voting date back just enough to Auburn would be the winner.
If you are talking with, or friends with, an Auburn fan who spends his time talking about Alabama perhaps you should do one of two things. Find a different friend or don't talk football. :lol:
Just for the record, the NCAA (on their official site) has Bama listed with either 17 or 19 (can't remember which right now) National Titles. We choose to honor 12 of those teams.
Thanks for the info..........GO BIG ORANGE and go bama when we don't play each other.
ok this is what google provided..........
According to the National Championship Foundation, since 1901 Alabama has won 11 national championships. The years were 1925, 1926, 1930, 1945, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, and 1992.
Actually, Alabama has won only 7 outright National Championships. These are the ones which they actually won the National Championship game. Not how many votes they got. The years were 1925, 1930, 1945, 1961, 1965, 1979, and 1992. In 1926, they tied with Stanford in the Rose Bowl. In 1978, there was a 3-way tie between Alabama, USC, and Oklahoma. All three teams won a bowl game but there is no indication which one was the national championship game.
According to the National Championship Foundation, since 1901 Alabama has won 11 national championships. The years were 1925, 1926, 1930, 1945, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, and 1992.
Actually, Alabama has won only 7 outright National Championships. These are the ones which they actually won the National Championship game. Not how many votes they got. The years were 1925, 1930, 1945, 1961, 1965, 1979, and 1992. In 1926, they tied with Stanford in the Rose Bowl. In 1978, there was a 3-way tie between Alabama, USC, and Oklahoma. All three teams won a bowl game but there is no indication which one was the national championship game.
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Ive never understood the 1941 title we claim either. The rest are legit. I think we finsihed 2nd or 3rd in the SEC in 41 
1966 = biggest screwing ever
1966 = biggest screwing ever
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Just depends on what you want to claim. We have more than 12 awarded by various organizations down through the years.Generally we show 12, the NCAA of course does not recognize an official division 1 NC.
Of the oldest ones, there was a time when the Rose Bowl was the premier bowl game by a long way, and its winner was recognized by most as the national champ. Various organizations or respected sports peope recognized them as well. that is the basis for those shown in the twenties and thirties. The one on 1942 is pretty suspect, and if it were me I would not show it. 1961 is clear, as we were undefeated and ranked #1 in the polls. The first controversial year is 1964. One of the polls, the AP, I believe, decided to close its polls before the bowls, and our undefeated team was given its NC. The otehr poll waited until afterwards. Since we lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl we didn't get that half of the NC, but it is certainly legitimate to claim one that one of the two major selecting organizations awarded us.
Im 1965 we were 8-1-1 going into the bowls and ranked fourth. The AP decided to wait until after the bowls, to avoid what happened in 1964. Well two of the teams ranked ahead of us lost, and we hammered the third one in the Orange bowl, so at the end of the day we were voted number one.
In 1966 we were undefeated and a two time defending national champion, but the pollsters were determined we would not get the third one in a row (the best team of the three IMO) so they voted Michigan State and Notre Dame (who had played to a tie ) ahead of us. We could claim that one on our list, but we don't, just honor that team as "The uncrowned champions".
In 1973 we were undefeated in regular season play but lost the bowl game. We were awarded the NC by an organization that picked before the bowl game.
In 1975 we were 10-1 going into the bowl games, won ours, everyone ahead of us lost, but we were "leap frogged" in the final poll. We could easily claim one that year. 1977 was pretty much a repeat of 1975 and we could claim that one as well.
In 1978 we had an early loss to USC, then ran the table. USC picked up a loss later on, and as I remember this year the two major polls were split at the end. I certainly don't feel bad about claiming that one.
In 1979 we ran the table and were unanimous national champs.
In 1992 we were unanimous national champs.
So I'd have no problems with 11 of the 12 we show, and I'd add 1966, 1975 and 1977.
The blogger did not mention that the Barn's lone NC was 1957, and that it was a split one because they were on probation for recruiting violations and the coaches poll refused to consider them. Their 1958 was also undefeated (one tie) but also on probation. Srangely, 35 years later they ran the table but were not considered for the NC because (guess what) they were on probation. I sympathize with them for 2004, we've certainly been there.
Of the oldest ones, there was a time when the Rose Bowl was the premier bowl game by a long way, and its winner was recognized by most as the national champ. Various organizations or respected sports peope recognized them as well. that is the basis for those shown in the twenties and thirties. The one on 1942 is pretty suspect, and if it were me I would not show it. 1961 is clear, as we were undefeated and ranked #1 in the polls. The first controversial year is 1964. One of the polls, the AP, I believe, decided to close its polls before the bowls, and our undefeated team was given its NC. The otehr poll waited until afterwards. Since we lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl we didn't get that half of the NC, but it is certainly legitimate to claim one that one of the two major selecting organizations awarded us.
Im 1965 we were 8-1-1 going into the bowls and ranked fourth. The AP decided to wait until after the bowls, to avoid what happened in 1964. Well two of the teams ranked ahead of us lost, and we hammered the third one in the Orange bowl, so at the end of the day we were voted number one.
In 1966 we were undefeated and a two time defending national champion, but the pollsters were determined we would not get the third one in a row (the best team of the three IMO) so they voted Michigan State and Notre Dame (who had played to a tie ) ahead of us. We could claim that one on our list, but we don't, just honor that team as "The uncrowned champions".
In 1973 we were undefeated in regular season play but lost the bowl game. We were awarded the NC by an organization that picked before the bowl game.
In 1975 we were 10-1 going into the bowl games, won ours, everyone ahead of us lost, but we were "leap frogged" in the final poll. We could easily claim one that year. 1977 was pretty much a repeat of 1975 and we could claim that one as well.
In 1978 we had an early loss to USC, then ran the table. USC picked up a loss later on, and as I remember this year the two major polls were split at the end. I certainly don't feel bad about claiming that one.
In 1979 we ran the table and were unanimous national champs.
In 1992 we were unanimous national champs.
So I'd have no problems with 11 of the 12 we show, and I'd add 1966, 1975 and 1977.
The blogger did not mention that the Barn's lone NC was 1957, and that it was a split one because they were on probation for recruiting violations and the coaches poll refused to consider them. Their 1958 was also undefeated (one tie) but also on probation. Srangely, 35 years later they ran the table but were not considered for the NC because (guess what) they were on probation. I sympathize with them for 2004, we've certainly been there.
Thanks psycojoe
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First off, the main thing is consider the source of the article. I mean really tis sad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_football
there are a couple things to remember. most people assume voting was done the same way it is now, or before the bcs. but do to a political and racial divide there were many biases.
id say '41 is sort of questionable, but then again so was '66.
equally as questionable is how this 10 year old list made a reemergence.
id say '41 is sort of questionable, but then again so was '66.
equally as questionable is how this 10 year old list made a reemergence.
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TigerBait3 said:
lol one thing is for sure the Aubrun fans will never get over talking about Alabama's NC's, because nobody cares about theirs....
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