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[Rolltide24]

We’ve wondered what was going on at UGA. My daughter applied there in the early app period and her application got pushed to the second selection period, so she has yet to be accepted by them. We live in TN so she’s an out of state applicant. She has been accepted at some strong academic private schools and was accepted to all the other state schools she applied to during early application period. UGA was the only one that pushed her. We wondered if they were using something other than a merit based system. It may be that they go with only in-state kids first in that early period and then go with the others.

 

[OldPlayer]

I don't understand your first sentence. My research over the years has never suggested this. Unsure of how that even happens as the GPA to get into colleges in Georgia have all increased. That makes no sense if lower academic achieving students are getting in over the others.

It used to be that high academic achievers from lower income areas couldn’t afford to attend college and specifically UGA (which has a higher cost to attend than Georgia State, North Georgia, Valdosta State or GCSU). With the Hope Scholarship, lower income students could overcome the financial burden. Affirmative Action also lowered the academic achievement threshold for minority students so a solid B student from lower income areas (with new financial resources) would be admitted over a solid A student from an affluent area (who could also benefit from the new financial resources).

In talking with families with kids trying to get into UGA (I’ll admit I live in a more affluent neighborhood), it’s almost a forgone conclusion that they won’t be admitted to UGA initially. So, they make backup plans to attend another state school for 1-2 semesters and then transfer into UGA. Entering as a transfer is easier. As you said, the GPA requirement has increased (supply and demand). More kids being able to afford college with limited openings and a bigger door coming from Affirmative Action means somebody gets cut out.

 

[TerryP]

That makes no sense if lower academic achieving students are getting in over the others.

Look at UNC's admission policies. It happens, frequently.

 

[BamaFan334]

Look at UNC's admission policies. It happens, frequently.

From an extremely Liberal based school like North Carolina, I believe it. If there was ever a school that thinks they are above it all outside of Ivy League, it's them and Virginia. I haven't dipped into the specifics of it all, more of the overall quick metrics produced for articles and such, but they don't give a lot of detail. I always knew North Carolina had really tough entry standards, and Georgia as well for the most part.

 

[BamaFan334]

It used to be that high academic achievers from lower income areas couldn’t afford to attend college and specifically UGA (which has a higher cost to attend than Georgia State, North Georgia, Valdosta State or GCSU). With the Hope Scholarship, lower income students could overcome the financial burden. Affirmative Action also lowered the academic achievement threshold for minority students so a solid B student from lower income areas (with new financial resources) would be admitted over a solid A student from an affluent area (who could also benefit from the new financial resources).

In talking with families with kids trying to get into UGA (I’ll admit I live in a more affluent neighborhood), it’s almost a forgone conclusion that they won’t be admitted to UGA initially. So, they make backup plans to attend another state school for 1-2 semesters and then transfer into UGA. Entering as a transfer is easier. As you said, the GPA requirement has increased (supply and demand). More kids being able to afford college with limited openings and a bigger door coming from Affirmative Action means somebody gets cut out.

I guess I was speaking more of an overall look at the requirements, not breaking down the applicant pool. As we both agree, standards have only increased, but I haven't looked into it enough to know kids from poorer neighborhoods are getting the thumbs up over others, unless color was involved dealing with affirmative action. I imagine with Affirmative Action being shut down, it opens up that door to the kids in your area, correct?

 

[OldPlayer]

I guess I was speaking more of an overall look at the requirements, not breaking down the applicant pool. As we both agree, standards have only increased, but I haven't looked into it enough to know kids from poorer neighborhoods are getting the thumbs up over others, unless color was involved dealing with affirmative action. I imagine with Affirmative Action being shut down, it opens up that door to the kids in your area, correct?

TBD. I’m sure many factions will utilize DEI some way to keep Affirmative Action alive.

 

[c5vetman]

From my Georgia experience, I would also add that I would have something in the lottery legislation that limited the fee structure of state schools. The big game in GA is that as tuition has become more of a sure thing due to HOPE, schools have added a multitude of fees that aren't covered. I would also expect a similar positive impact on the second tier state schools as GA has experienced, but to a lesser degree.

exactly... HOPE covers tuition only... tuition is only about 25-30% of the cost of college here... Room, board, fees, books, plus living expenses far exceed what tuition really is. My son is a freshman at a small state college, $14k+ a year, HOPE covers about $4400 for the year.

 

[TerryP]

I haven't dipped into the specifics of it all, more of the overall quick metrics produced for articles and such,

May I suggest...that's as far as you want to go. Any further ( ) and you'll end up in a state of confusion and frustration. But hey, you'll check a box!

 

[BamaFan334]

May I suggest...that's as far as you want to go. Any further ( ) and you'll end up in a state of confusion and frustration. But hey, you'll check a box!

Ha ha, it doesn't pertain to me yet thank goodness, so I'll take that advice and run. In about three to four years I'll start getting reacquainted with it all when my oldest starts looking.

 

[TerryP]

Ha ha, it doesn't pertain to me yet thank goodness, so I'll take that advice and run. In about three to four years I'll start getting reacquainted with it all when my oldest starts looking.

I don't envy you.

I'll be glad to help with that tuition...if I had a hat to show for it.

Coincidences in life are weird. I had lunch today with a friend and her son. He's graduating this year with a 4.4 and wants to go to community college to study ASE. I can't fault his thinking. He's coming out of school in two years, or less, making 80K+ to work on cars every day.

He asked his mom a question today. It left me a little speechless. "Mom? Where's the stress of my job?"

From the mouths of babes...

 

[OldPlayer]

exactly... HOPE covers tuition only... tuition is only about 25-30% of the cost of college here... Room, board, fees, books, plus living expenses far exceed what tuition really is. My son is a freshman at a small state college, $14k+ a year, HOPE covers about $4400 for the year.

UGA (and Alabama) is begging to give scholarships to good students to cover room, board, fees, etc. They encourage (nag) students to apply for scholarships.

 

[BamaFan334]

I don't envy you.

I'll be glad to help with that tuition...if I had a hat to show for it.

Coincidences in life are weird. I had lunch today with a friend and her son. He's graduating this year with a 4.4 and wants to go to community college to study ASE. I can't fault his thinking. He's coming out of school in two years, or less, making 80K+ to work on cars every day.

He asked his mom a question today. It left me a little speechless. "Mom? Where's the stress of my job?"

From the mouths of babes...

We'd hire that guy immediately and he would make that definitely. Smart guy.

 

[Rolltide24]

UGA (and Alabama) is begging to give scholarships to good students to cover room, board, fees, etc. They encourage (nag) students to apply for scholarships.

My daughter has a 35 composite and 36 super score on the ACT, 1500 SAT, 4.4 GPA and 102.4 grade point average. Has led every organization at school, started the school paper 3 years ago, 80 hours of volunteer service each semester, salutatorian of a 220 person class, etc. And Alabama is NOT covering room and board, only tuition. She’s been to several weekend events that we’re invitation only and got to meet the president the day DeBoer was announced. Only Ole Miss offered her room and board, of the 14-15 schools she applied to. If she gets a 36 composite score, Bama will pay her room and board. .2 of 1% of students that take the ACT make a 36. Rare… If you know another way to get room and board paid for, I’m interested and will follow your leads. Don’t want to pay it if I don’t have to.

Contrast that with our friend’s daughter who attended Alabama starting in 2015, she made a 33 ACT and 1400 SAT, and that qualified her for full tuition, room and board. Shows how times have changed and how volume of applicants has changed.

UT, MSU, Florida, FSU, TCU, NC State, A&M, Texas have all offered full tuition, but none of those offered room and board. Georgetown and Rice didn’t offer full tuition, but she knew that when she applied. And then there’s Georgia that has yet to accept her.

 

[TerryP]

. Shows how times have changed and how volume of applicants has changed.

Right there.

 

[TerryP]

UT, MSU, Florida, FSU, TCU, NC State, A&M, Texas have all offered full tuition, but none of those offered room and board. Georgetown and Rice didn’t offer full tuition, but she knew that when she applied. And then there’s Georgia that has yet to accept her.

I know a lady who has a father on the BOT of USC and sent her daughter to UGA. They are tough.

 

[OldPlayer]

My daughter has a 35 composite and 36 super score on the ACT, 1500 SAT, 4.4 GPA and 102.4 grade point average. Has led every organization at school, started the school paper 3 years ago, 80 hours of volunteer service each semester, salutatorian of a 220 person class, etc. And Alabama is NOT covering room and board, only tuition. She’s been to several weekend events that we’re invitation only and got to meet the president the day DeBoer was announced. Only Ole Miss offered her room and board, of the 14-15 schools she applied to. If she gets a 36 composite score, Bama will pay her room and board. .2 of 1% of students that take the ACT make a 36. Rare… If you know another way to get room and board paid for, I’m interested and will follow your leads. Don’t want to pay it if I don’t have to.

Contrast that with our friend’s daughter who attended Alabama starting in 2015, she made a 33 ACT and 1400 SAT, and that qualified her for full tuition, room and board. Shows how times have changed and how volume of applicants has changed.

UT, MSU, Florida, FSU, TCU, NC State, A&M, Texas have all offered full tuition, but none of those offered room and board. Georgetown and Rice didn’t offer full tuition, but she knew that when she applied. And then there’s Georgia that has yet to accept her.

1. Congrats to your daughter (and you).
2. If I could figure out who gets what, where and how, I’d be rich.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

My daughter has a 35 composite and 36 super score on the ACT, 1500 SAT, 4.4 GPA and 102.4 grade point average. Has led every organization at school, started the school paper 3 years ago, 80 hours of volunteer service each semester, salutatorian of a 220 person class, etc. And Alabama is NOT covering room and board, only tuition. She’s been to several weekend events that we’re invitation only and got to meet the president the day DeBoer was announced. Only Ole Miss offered her room and board, of the 14-15 schools she applied to. If she gets a 36 composite score, Bama will pay her room and board. .2 of 1% of students that take the ACT make a 36. Rare… If you know another way to get room and board paid for, I’m interested and will follow your leads. Don’t want to pay it if I don’t have to.

Contrast that with our friend’s daughter who attended Alabama starting in 2015, she made a 33 ACT and 1400 SAT, and that qualified her for full tuition, room and board. Shows how times have changed and how volume of applicants has changed.

UT, MSU, Florida, FSU, TCU, NC State, A&M, Texas have all offered full tuition, but none of those offered room and board. Georgetown and Rice didn’t offer full tuition, but she knew that when she applied. And then there’s Georgia that has yet to accept her.

Congratulations on having an awesome daughter.

 

[Rolltide24]

1. Congrats to your daughter (and you).
2. If I could figure out who gets what, where and how, I’d be rich.

Thank you and ittakes11, She has worked hard and with significant focus for over 3.5 years. I wasn’t trying to brag but more show that room and board are almost impossible to get these days. You have to be that 1 in 1,000 student, at worst. Some schools it’s even tougher. To get room and board at TCU she had to go through two rounds of essays then was lucky enough to get an interview, but was not selected. Room and board used to be attainable, but not so now.

Another thing worth noting is that schools only want you in dorms your freshman year, then they boot you off campus. Not enough dorm rooms. That is room and board related. At UT, even a few hundred freshman don’t get dorm spots. Arizona State, if you are in the honors college, puts you in a dorm that is apartment style and very high end, even had a resort swimming pool just for honor college students (there was a recent WSJ article that featured this dorm), but most other schools need you out of dorms after year 1. And those huge sorority houses near BDS house between 75-80 sisters, while the sororities have 500-800 sisters, so it’s usually seniors and a few juniors that get selected for those rooms (based on our tours of houses and discussions with the representatives). From what we’ve learned, when your kid starts classes their freshman year, you immediately start looking for housing for their sophomore year. Hopefully this info is helpful for anyone else with these decisions coming up. It’s been very eye opening for us.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Thank you and ittakes11, She has worked hard and with significant focus for over 3.5 years. I wasn’t trying to brag but more show that room and board are almost impossible to get these days. You have to be that 1 in 1,000 student, at worst. Some schools it’s even tougher. To get room and board at TCU she had to go through two rounds of essays then was lucky enough to get an interview, but was not selected. Room and board used to be attainable, but not so now.

Another thing worth noting is that schools only want you in dorms your freshman year, then they boot you off campus. Not enough dorm rooms. That is room and board related. At UT, even a few hundred freshman don’t get dorm spots. Arizona State, if you are in the honors college, puts you in a dorm that is apartment style and very high end, even had a resort swimming pool just for honor college students (there was a recent WSJ article that featured this dorm), but most other schools need you out of dorms after year 1. And those huge sorority houses near BDS house between 75-80 sisters, while the sororities have 500-800 sisters, so it’s usually seniors and a few juniors that get selected for those rooms (based on our tours of houses and discussions with the representatives). From what we’ve learned, when your kid starts classes their freshman year, you immediately start looking for housing for their sophomore year. Hopefully this info is helpful for anyone else with these decisions coming up. It’s been very eye opening for us.

What about Bama? They usually drool over out of state achievers.

 

[BamaFan334]

My daughter has a 35 composite and 36 super score on the ACT, 1500 SAT, 4.4 GPA and 102.4 grade point average. Has led every organization at school, started the school paper 3 years ago, 80 hours of volunteer service each semester, salutatorian of a 220 person class, etc. And Alabama is NOT covering room and board, only tuition. She’s been to several weekend events that we’re invitation only and got to meet the president the day DeBoer was announced. Only Ole Miss offered her room and board, of the 14-15 schools she applied to. If she gets a 36 composite score, Bama will pay her room and board. .2 of 1% of students that take the ACT make a 36. Rare… If you know another way to get room and board paid for, I’m interested and will follow your leads. Don’t want to pay it if I don’t have to.

Contrast that with our friend’s daughter who attended Alabama starting in 2015, she made a 33 ACT and 1400 SAT, and that qualified her for full tuition, room and board. Shows how times have changed and how volume of applicants has changed.

UT, MSU, Florida, FSU, TCU, NC State, A&M, Texas have all offered full tuition, but none of those offered room and board. Georgetown and Rice didn’t offer full tuition, but she knew that when she applied. And then there’s Georgia that has yet to accept her.

My kid would be going to Ole Miss then!