🏀 NBA Gambling Arrests - NYT Article

TerryP said:
This goes against several of my senses but I'll use one as example: it rings hollow. The examples are easily interchangeable. A lazy one, likely most often cited, would be alcohol does the same. How many legal handlers are found in one bar?

I get your overall point. Perhaps it falls more towards individual graces given, if that makes sense? How much grace I'll give in a situation?



Attack? What? As in verbally? Online? Again, it goes directly to the character of the person, not to mention the wisdom behind taking a wager without knowing how 90 percent of prop bets are structured. (IE: Two team parlay, you're taking a -110 with a +260, at best.)

I'm familiar with the graph. I've seen it before and don't disagree: to a point. I don't fit any of the dopamine culture. I'm as guilty as any of the next to last; communications.

Film/TV ... maybe. I've never been one to sit through a movie. The only thing I can 'take' in long extended periods are books. It could take all afternoon for me to watch a two hour movie and there's as a good of a chance I might take two breaks from reading all afternoon.

The overall logic fails to reach me on the "apps" target. I could use an app to buy a bag of weed, buy a case of liquor, buy a car, and buy a gun and could create all kinds of hell. But a $10 bet? I could play $100 in scratch offs right now but can't place a $10 bet. It's just ...
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Can the convenience store clerk affect whether you win or lose on the scratch-offs? Do you lambast the clerk when you come up empty? That's the difference with a prop bet on sports. Individual performances can be altered, and the poor reactions by losers (yes, with poor character) will happen. With the explosion of prop bets, it will only get worse.

Back to the article, gambling creating a disconnect between team fans and just wanting to win a bet. That's tugging on the fabric of sports, for sure.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
Back to the article, gambling creating a disconnect between team fans and just wanting to win a bet. That's tugging on the fabric of sports, for sure.
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That's been fascinating to watch, literally live, during a few games. I used to watch a handful of folks at the Pub do that on Sunday's. It was weird.
It Takes Eleven said:
Can the convenience store clerk affect whether you win or lose on the scratch-offs? Do you lambast the clerk when you come up empty? That's the difference with a prop bet on sports. Individual performances can be altered, and the poor reactions by losers (yes, with poor character) will happen. With the explosion of prop bets, it will only get worse.
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I'm not disagreeing. I am saying it starts with the initial act. It's stupid to spend five bucks on scratching a card in the hope of winning five bucks back. There have to be a few extenuating factors for a prop bet to be a "smart buy." You don't find those offered but on rare occasion. (ESPNBet had a three team parlay last week with three teams who were all favored to win. It paid out.)
 
MunchyOs said:
They must not remember Benny Silman and the Arizona State point shaving scandal. This shit NEVER ends well
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One of the more interesting things I've seen is who they are pulling out to talk to on news programs. Terry Donahey (sp,) NBA ref who spent prison time and Art S____ (can't remember how to spell his name) who had some well publicized trouble.
 
TerryP said:
Yep. Outkick interview originally. I believe I saw the clip on X.

Donaghy was the other guy.
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Why would anyone put a microphone in front of Schlichter?

www.indystar.com

Ex-Colts quarterback Art Schlichter, 65, pleads guilty to felony cocaine possession

Schlichter, whom the Colts took fourth overall in the NFL draft, has had a long battle with gambling and drug troubles, spending years in prison.
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Once gambling got a hold of him, football didn't matter. Schlichter's addiction spiraled out of control. He would spend time in nearly 50 different prisons and jails. Through the years, Schlichter has been guilty of felony drug charges, gambling and financial fraud.

In his 2020 interview from prison with IndyStar, Schlichter did not offer any remorse only saying he had "been treated unfairly by the courts and prosecutors" all of his life.
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@It Takes Eleven I meant to mention this earlier and moved back to the kitchen. RE: The dopamine graphic.

I read (ironic, considering what I'm about to write) an article earlier this morning talking about reading habits. They cited a 40 percent drop in the number of people who regularly read books versus two decades ago. That does fit with the graphic.

A few years ago I posted a thread here about the content changes happening at Fox Sports. They had dropped long form reports. Their content was all video. At the time I said I wouldn't go back to the site for news. I haven't. I don't want to spend two minutes watching a video when I could read the same report in a matter of a few seconds.
 
TerryP said:
@It Takes Eleven I meant to mention this earlier and moved back to the kitchen. RE: The dopamine graphic.

I read (ironic, considering what I'm about to write) an article earlier this morning talking about reading habits. They cited a 40 percent drop in the number of people who regularly read books versus two decades ago. That does fit with the graphic.

A few years ago I posted a thread here about the content changes happening at Fox Sports. They had dropped long form reports. Their content was all video. At the time I said I wouldn't go back to the site for news. I haven't. I don't want to spend two minutes watching a video when I could read the same report in a matter of a few seconds.
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I agree, that's why I hate watching any news. In terms of short attention spans, I think of Jeff Goldblum's character in the Big Chill, writing for People Magazine:

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'How about you Michael? So tell us about the world of big time journalism. Yeah. Well...' - The Big Chill

Karen: How about you Michael? So tell us about the world of big time journalism. Sam Weber: Yeah. Michael: Well iwhere I work we only have one editorial rule. You can't write anything longer than it takes your average person to take an average crap. [everyone laughs] Michael: I'm getting...
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It Takes Eleven said:
MLB limits prop bets to $200 due to this week's scandal

I'm guessing they think that's below the threshold of buying off a pitcher. I'm glad they reached an agreement with their gambling "partners".
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In any other scenario they'd call this "sides" and life goes on. It's an outlier with the "individual pitch" stop-gap.

Overall, I'm seeing blurry lines of reasoning. You can take School A to make the playoffs at +12000 with $200 sides. You can take the bet, but your limit is that $200. (The language may change from one bookmaker to another, the principle is the same.)
 
TerryP said:
In any other scenario they'd call this "sides" and life goes on. It's an outlier with the "individual pitch" stop-gap.

Overall, I'm seeing blurry lines of reasoning. You can take School A to make the playoffs at +12000 with $200 sides. You can take the bet, but your limit is that $200. (The language may change from one bookmaker to another, the principle is the same.)
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I think their reasoning is to limit bets on discrete events that are within the absolute control of a single player to an amount he wouldn't jeopardize his career.

It's absolutely possible there are other situations that would still allow a player to take a header for money. This is window dressing by the gambling cabal and their enabling sports minions.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
This is window dressing by the gambling cabal and their enabling sports minions.
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For MLB, to be precise, and I agree. I've only looked at CFB this morning: there are individual props up for tonight.

I wish I found find those images of the baseball stadium that were taken a few decades apart. Same stadium, same wall, same as dimensions, etc. Except, the older one was for cigarettes.
 
The notion of sitting in a 'book and putting $10 on whether the next pitch is a strike...absolutely foreign to me. The appeal, that is.

I can see it happening. A guy has a 3-0 count...chances are he's going to see a strike.
 

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