| FTBL FSU investigation: Updated- 34 players suspended.

[CrimsonPirate]

ESPN just said that 36 would not make the trip across town from the hotel to the bowl game.

Rece said you could fit the entire FSU team in a VW beetle. :lol:

 

[ExiledTidefan]

This thing just REEKS of LOIC. Of course, we know that FSU and Bowden are basically coated with teflon...

 

[Guest]

This is truly a travesty for FSU. Bowden has publicly exclaimed that he handles player discipline internally. Making players run bleachers, pushups etc...His teflon image will take a big hit this time.

The whole program needs an enema with this lack of discipline brought back to the forefront. Their image is not far behind Miami Hurricons

 

[TerryP]

This is truly a travesty for FSU. Bowden has publicly exclaimed that he handles player discipline internally. Making players run bleachers, pushups etc...His teflon image will take a big hit this time.

The whole program needs an enema with this lack of discipline brought back to the forefront. Their image is not far behind Miami Hurricons

To be fair, having a discipline situation for a player fighting or something along those lines is a matter I don't have a problem with a coach handling it internally.

BUT, let's compare apples to apples here. Fighting, etc., has nothing to do with eligibility. I honestly don't feel comparing how Bowden has handled his players in the past to this situation is a fair comparison.

These players are ineligible. That's why they are suspended. Bowden will work with their compliance department on this and we'll see the suspensions carried out.

They are basing the 4 games on what teams have done in the past and what the NCAA has accepted in the past. It is being handled much like our compliance department did with the textbook situation.

 

[laurajmoss]

This is truly a travesty for FSU. Bowden has publicly exclaimed that he handles player discipline internally. Making players run bleachers, pushups etc...His teflon image will take a big hit this time.

The whole program needs an enema with this lack of discipline brought back to the forefront. Their image is not far behind Miami Hurricons

To be fair, having a discipline situation for a player fighting or something along those lines is a matter I don't have a problem with a coach handling it internally.

BUT, let's compare apples to apples here. Fighting, etc., has nothing to do with eligibility. I honestly don't feel comparing how Bowden has handled his players in the past to this situation is a fair comparison.

These players are ineligible. That's why they are suspended. Bowden will work with their compliance department on this and we'll see the suspensions carried out.

They are basing the 4 games on what teams have done in the past and what the NCAA has accepted in the past. It is being handled much like our compliance department did with the textbook situation.

I have to agree with an opinion I read by a Sporting News writer that, in a nutshell, what FSU needs is not so much discipline as leadership.

When 20-something members of your team get caught as part of a widespread academic dishonesty scandal, to me that speaks to something more than a 24-hr cold, it points to a cancer hidden deep within the body. There's more at stake for them than those individual players, and it will require a lot more than a 4-game-suspension band-aid to restore health to the program.

 

[TerryP]

This is truly a travesty for FSU. Bowden has publicly exclaimed that he handles player discipline internally. Making players run bleachers, pushups etc...His teflon image will take a big hit this time.

The whole program needs an enema with this lack of discipline brought back to the forefront. Their image is not far behind Miami Hurricons

To be fair, having a discipline situation for a player fighting or something along those lines is a matter I don't have a problem with a coach handling it internally.

BUT, let's compare apples to apples here. Fighting, etc., has nothing to do with eligibility. I honestly don't feel comparing how Bowden has handled his players in the past to this situation is a fair comparison.

These players are ineligible. That's why they are suspended. Bowden will work with their compliance department on this and we'll see the suspensions carried out.

They are basing the 4 games on what teams have done in the past and what the NCAA has accepted in the past. It is being handled much like our compliance department did with the textbook situation.

I have to agree with an opinion I read by a Sporting News writer that, in a nutshell, what FSU needs is not so much discipline as leadership.

When 20-something members of your team get caught as part of a widespread academic dishonesty scandal, to me that speaks to something more than a 24-hr cold, it points to a cancer hidden deep within the body. There's more at stake for them than those individual players, and it will require a lot more than a 4-game-suspension band-aid to restore health to the program.

I understand what you are saying Laura and by no means disagree with the context of it.

I see it a little differently than some of the opinions voiced here. It seems that a lot are pointing to Bowden while I don't see it that way. I see the academic problems falling under Mark Meleney's purview (Director of Athletic Academic Support.)

He's in the same role as Jon Devers (Asst. AD- Student Services). It's Devers' role to monitor and put systems in place to monitor those activities at Alabama. Not Saban's.

Neither should it be Bowden's...

 

[Guest]

This is truly a travesty for FSU. Bowden has publicly exclaimed that he handles player discipline internally. Making players run bleachers, pushups etc...His teflon image will take a big hit this time.

The whole program needs an enema with this lack of discipline brought back to the forefront. Their image is not far behind Miami Hurricons

To be fair, having a discipline situation for a player fighting or something along those lines is a matter I don't have a problem with a coach handling it internally.

BUT, let's compare apples to apples here. Fighting, etc., has nothing to do with eligibility. I honestly don't feel comparing how Bowden has handled his players in the past to this situation is a fair comparison.

These players are ineligible. That's why they are suspended. Bowden will work with their compliance department on this and we'll see the suspensions carried out.

They are basing the 4 games on what teams have done in the past and what the NCAA has accepted in the past. It is being handled much like our compliance department did with the textbook situation.

I have to agree with an opinion I read by a Sporting News writer that, in a nutshell, what FSU needs is not so much discipline as leadership.

When 20-something members of your team get caught as part of a widespread academic dishonesty scandal, to me that speaks to something more than a 24-hr cold, it points to a cancer hidden deep within the body. There's more at stake for them than those individual players, and it will require a lot more than a 4-game-suspension band-aid to restore health to the program.

I understand what you are saying Laura and by no means disagree with the context of it.

I see it a little differently than some of the opinions voiced here. It seems that a lot are pointing to Bowden while I don't see it that way. I see the academic problems falling under Mark Meleney's purview (Director of Athletic Academic Support.)

He's in the same role as Jon Devers (Asst. AD- Student Services). It's Devers' role to monitor and put systems in place to monitor those activities at Alabama. Not Saban's.

Neither should it be Bowden's...

But when you're captain of the ship....

 

[Hightideiscoming]

This is truly a travesty for FSU. Bowden has publicly exclaimed that he handles player discipline internally. Making players run bleachers, pushups etc...His teflon image will take a big hit this time.

The whole program needs an enema with this lack of discipline brought back to the forefront. Their image is not far behind Miami Hurricons

To be fair, having a discipline situation for a player fighting or something along those lines is a matter I don't have a problem with a coach handling it internally.

BUT, let's compare apples to apples here. Fighting, etc., has nothing to do with eligibility. I honestly don't feel comparing how Bowden has handled his players in the past to this situation is a fair comparison.

These players are ineligible. That's why they are suspended. Bowden will work with their compliance department on this and we'll see the suspensions carried out.

They are basing the 4 games on what teams have done in the past and what the NCAA has accepted in the past. It is being handled much like our compliance department did with the textbook situation.

I have to agree with an opinion I read by a Sporting News writer that, in a nutshell, what FSU needs is not so much discipline as leadership.

When 20-something members of your team get caught as part of a widespread academic dishonesty scandal, to me that speaks to something more than a 24-hr cold, it points to a cancer hidden deep within the body. There's more at stake for them than those individual players, and it will require a lot more than a 4-game-suspension band-aid to restore health to the program.

I understand what you are saying Laura and by no means disagree with the context of it.

I see it a little differently than some of the opinions voiced here. It seems that a lot are pointing to Bowden while I don't see it that way. I see the academic problems falling under Mark Meleney's purview (Director of Athletic Academic Support.)

He's in the same role as Jon Devers (Asst. AD- Student Services). It's Devers' role to monitor and put systems in place to monitor those activities at Alabama. Not Saban's.

Neither should it be Bowden's...

Does FSU have a problem with "Management Override of Controls" from the football administration side?

 

[TerryP]

Meleney is over the entire Athletic Department and this investigation isn't limited to football players only. That is another reason I think people throwing the blame at Bowden isn't justified.

 

[Guest]

Meleney is over the entire Athletic Department and this investigation isn't limited to football players only. That is another reason I think people throwing the blame at Bowden isn't justified.

But football gets the most media attention and scrutiny, so Bowden will get the bulk of the blame (or at least will be portrayed as such).

 

[TerryP]

Meleney is over the entire Athletic Department and this investigation isn't limited to football players only. That is another reason I think people throwing the blame at Bowden isn't justified.

But football gets the most media attention and scrutiny, so Bowden will get the bulk of the blame (or at least will be portrayed as such).

Oh, I agree Sandra. No doubt. It's about like the textbook situation at Alabama where the football team was the one publicized but it wasn't their "brain-child" in the first place.

 

[Outlaw]

Yeah, it's all Bobby's fault... :lol:

 

[Guest]

Serious question, anyone think Bobby might be gone after this season now? I for one think it's a possibility...

 

[TerryP]

Serious question, anyone think Bobby might be gone after this season now? I for one think it's a possibility...

Good question. It depends on how much say the Ath. Dept's main supporters have in the decision. There's been quite a shake-up in the upper echelons there with Dave Hart (AD) now gone along with a few others. There has been a contingent of boosters wanting him to move on for a few years now.

 

[TerryP]

Just for chits and giggles...

 

[Outlaw]

Just for chits and giggles...

LOL, classic...

I bet if FSU took some of their bombshells and suited them up........they'd be the best looking IR's ever. :lol:

 

[TWJUA]

Blaming Bobby for what a tutor did during online exam with all athletes is like blaming Saban for the text book scandle. There are people in place that are suppose to monitor and handle this kind of stuff, and they did not. Its not the head coach's responsiblity.

Bobby will do two more years. They have a great class coming in this year, and if one more can come in, he might be able to make a run one more time. Then step aside for Fisher, and he might be able to take them to where they use to be. I think their future looks pretty good.