🏈 ESPN reports on Ohio State--a story that hasn't gone quietly in the good night.

[TerryP]

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[BamaFan334]

Frankly, if Shelley Meyer didn't follow through with her promise to let her husband know about the abuse she saw with her own eyes, the court of "public opinion," will no doubt get to that as well. It always does.

As nurse she is obligated to report it. This will not only have an impact on her role as adjunct faculty, it could affect her license as well. (not that she needs either) I'm sure her position is nothing more than fluff and a way to funnel money to the Meyer family.

I agree. It is allowing the Meyer Family more access into the university. They clearly don't need the money, so maybe to help their kids with high paying positions later within the university if their momma is there calling the shots? It's possible she hates sitting at home and has talent she wants to bestow on others, but I still see it for access purposes. When I read that I thought it was very weird that she was employed by the university. I have never heard of a wife of a head coach working inside the same university. Seen them participate, be water girl, and help council players, but never employed and paid.

 

[UAgrad93]

I look at this as being similar to being a teacher. If a teacher suspects abuse, we can no longer simply pass the word onto the counselor and then the counselor contact DHR. If we fail to call, we are subject to being fired. Urban falls in with this. He can't deny knowing anything, when he dealt with it in '09 at Florida. He knew that there was a history. As an employee to a public institution of learning, he has an obligation to report. No plausible deniability!!!!!

 

[rick4bama]

Ohio St. places Meyer on administrative leave

He on this then he should be gone! Right?

I personally think so. No sport or team should be above human decency. It pisses me off what happened at Penn State, it pisses me off what happened at Baylor, it pisses me off that someone like Meyer had knowledge of these things at Florida and let it still happen, and it pisses me off he is doing it again at another program. I just wish they would treat everything the same way they would treat it if it were their own family having to endure these instances. He gonna pat the guy on the back that beats one of his daughter's and still keep him close and act as if nothing ever happened?

@BamaFan334, Come on tell us how you really feel!

 

[Tidestalker]

I look at this as being similar to being a teacher. If a teacher suspects abuse, we can no longer simply pass the word onto the counselor and then the counselor contact DHR. If we fail to call, we are subject to being fired. Urban falls in with this. He can't deny knowing anything, when he dealt with it in '09 at Florida. He knew that there was a history. As an employee to a public institution of learning, he has an obligation to report. No plausible deniability!!!!!

Just went through this training yesterday... And I'm not a teacher, just a HS coach.

We are obligated by law to report to our superior if there is physical or sexual abuse SUSPECTED. Not proven.

Also defended by the law if said suspicions are not reality.

"Position of Trust" is the label given to those of us working in schools. Not going to say I know it's the same for those working in Universities... My guess is that universities have some type of protocal/training related to the reporting process.

 

[BamaFan334]

Ohio St. places Meyer on administrative leave

He on this then he should be gone! Right?

I personally think so. No sport or team should be above human decency. It pisses me off what happened at Penn State, it pisses me off what happened at Baylor, it pisses me off that someone like Meyer had knowledge of these things at Florida and let it still happen, and it pisses me off he is doing it again at another program. I just wish they would treat everything the same way they would treat it if it were their own family having to endure these instances. He gonna pat the guy on the back that beats one of his daughter's and still keep him close and act as if nothing ever happened?

@BamaFan334, Come on tell us how you really feel!

Give me a soapbox! While I'm standing on it, I also need $50M of your hard earned money to buy this jet I've been wanting to spread the gospel. Anyone in?

 

[Tidestalker]

I look at this as being similar to being a teacher. If a teacher suspects abuse, we can no longer simply pass the word onto the counselor and then the counselor contact DHR. If we fail to call, we are subject to being fired. Urban falls in with this. He can't deny knowing anything, when he dealt with it in '09 at Florida. He knew that there was a history. As an employee to a public institution of learning, he has an obligation to report. No plausible deniability!!!!!

Just went through this training yesterday... And I'm not a teacher, just a HS coach.

We are obligated by law to report to our superior if there is physical or sexual abuse SUSPECTED. Not proven.

Also defended by the law if said suspicions are not reality.

"Position of Trust" is the label given to those of us working in schools. Not going to say I know it's the same for those working in Universities... My guess is that universities have some type of protocal/training related to the reporting process.

I should follow up this is in regards to the athletes/kids we are working with. Nothing really said about whether our co worker was beating his old lady... But looks like there was some language in Urby's contract about that stuff

 

[UAgrad93]

I look at this as being similar to being a teacher. If a teacher suspects abuse, we can no longer simply pass the word onto the counselor and then the counselor contact DHR. If we fail to call, we are subject to being fired. Urban falls in with this. He can't deny knowing anything, when he dealt with it in '09 at Florida. He knew that there was a history. As an employee to a public institution of learning, he has an obligation to report. No plausible deniability!!!!!

Just went through this training yesterday... And I'm not a teacher, just a HS coach.

We are obligated by law to report to our superior if there is physical or sexual abuse SUSPECTED. Not proven.

Also defended by the law if said suspicions are not reality.

"Position of Trust" is the label given to those of us working in schools. Not going to say I know it's the same for those working in Universities... My guess is that universities have some type of protocal/training related to the reporting process.

I should follow up this is in regards to the athletes/kids we are working with. Nothing really said about whether our co worker was beating his old lady... But looks like there was some language in Urby's contract about that stuff

Welcome to the social media age. We are placed at a higher level than we ever have been. The microscope has been turned way up on us. In December, I will have been teaching/coaching for 25 years!! I have always held myself to a high standard but social media has made me amp up my standards, much like the expectations of our beloved football program!!! In my younger days, I would party, but I always made sure that I was never seen by a student or parent. If it was dinner at a local diner, I NEVER ordered alcohol even though my roommates were drinking like fish.

 

[planomateo]

Universities have been sweeping sexual abuse/assault claims under the rug for a long time out of fear that it would impact their enrollment (aka financials). Public school systems don't necessarily have the same issue as you go to a school based on zoning, so essentially you don't have a choice.

Universities/Colleges have made alot of positive changes recently to prevent these types of things...but still have a long way to go.

 

[bama alum]

I would say Mr Hinnen is laying it on a little heavy regarding Jon Taylor.

Just a bit of a difference between a player whom Saban acknowledged was getting a second chance and denying anything about a paid coach was going on.

Interesting take here:

Ohio State Buckeyes Urban Meyer: Odds project who will coach on Sept. 1

Kiffin has odds ^^.

And this dude says, "Missed it by thaaaaaaat much!"

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Urban had a new addendum added to his contract, that he clearly violated. He knew of, or reasonably should've known of the domestic violence taking place. He then lied about it, days after Smith was fired (and Smith was fired 15 minutes after McMurphy broke the story about the 2015 incident, which Meyer said was "made up").

It's the use of Title IX that bothers me. The fact he lied about it is another part of the whole story.

I don't see it being legal to release Meyer under the Title IX umbrella if she isn't under the "Ohio State community." Title IX is about protection from ... it's not a prosecutor tool. She is a victim, but not one of Ohio State's compliance with Title IX.

I'm not sure what your implications are, other than disagreeing with the magnitude of this transgression in that you don't believe it should be compared to Penn St. OK, that's kind of missing the larger point.

The Penn State reference wasn't mine. It was one thrown out--almost as if it was a talking point--when they were discussing the societal impact (yes, *that's* what we watch ESPN for.)

I agree, and disagree with the comparison. It's true in the sense it's a black eye for Meyer and Ohio State today. I disagree with trying to compare it to Penn State in any shape or form. Except one.

The NCAA had no business in the Penn State affair.
I'm having a hard time seeing how this is linked with Title IX (IF I'm supposed to take Title IX for what it is intended--equal treatment for people within a University's community.)

But I think that this particular victim WAS part of the University community, being a coach's wife and all while this was going on..

 

[TerryP]

But I think that this particular victim WAS part of the University community,

How do you feel that's the case when she's not employed by OSU and she's not a student at OSU? Marriage doesn't make her a part of the purview of Title IX.

 

[TerryP]

As nurse she is obligated to report it. This will not only have an impact on her role as adjunct faculty, it could affect her license as well. (not that she needs either) I'm sure her position is nothing more than fluff and a way to funnel money to the Meyer family.

This is conditional, isn't it? IE: If she's not treating her injuries, or if it's not in a hospital setting. I know there's a code of ethics here but how does it apply to situations where the individual isn't seeking medical help? Or, the victim isn't in a medical setting? Would she not have to be approached in the role of a RN versus that of a "friend?"

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

It is possible that Urban and his wife didn't pursue because the immediate family had told Courtney to STFU and move on.

 

[Tidestalker]

As nurse she is obligated to report it. This will not only have an impact on her role as adjunct faculty, it could affect her license as well. (not that she needs either) I'm sure her position is nothing more than fluff and a way to funnel money to the Meyer family.

This is conditional, isn't it? IE: If she's not treating her injuries, or if it's not in a hospital setting. I know there's a code of ethics here but how does it apply to situations where the individual isn't seeking medical help? Or, the victim isn't in a medical setting? Would she not have to be approached in the role of a RN versus that of a "friend?"

I tend to agree with you, Terry. I think a nurse or person of trust only has the PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY to report actions directly related to the people they work for, with, treat, etc.

Despite them knowing each other through their husbands profession, they're communication is on a personal level.

Now whether there's the "be a good person" responsibility or common sense approach that this should be confronted or not is a different subject. And one that obviously paints Urban, and honestly his wife, in a terrible light.

 

[TerryP]

Now whether there's the "be a good person" responsibility or common sense approach that this should be confronted or not is a different subject.

Therein is a lot of what's going on here.

Who has the responsibility here? It's not the Meyer's, or bylaws found within Title IX, the NCAA, or a medical code of ethics.

Is there a moral obligation? That's your call.

Where are the members of her family?

 

[TerryP]

As nurse she is obligated to report it. This will not only have an impact on her role as adjunct faculty, it could affect her license as well. (not that she needs either) I'm sure her position is nothing more than fluff and a way to funnel money to the Meyer family.

According to a legal health care expert in Ohio, Shelley Meyer’s status as a registered nurse does not obligate her to report domestic violence allegations to police. If Courtney Smith was her patient, she could not legally report the allegations to police. Since she was not her patient, there’s neither a prohibition or obligation to report.

What's next for Urban Meyer and Ohio State? Here are 7 questions that will determine coach's fate

 

[planomateo]

Or better said, how did she escalate this within the given system?

If I'm her dad, Zach is having a very uncomfortable conversation that more than likely escalates to something it shouldn't.

 

[BamaFan334]

As nurse she is obligated to report it. This will not only have an impact on her role as adjunct faculty, it could affect her license as well. (not that she needs either) I'm sure her position is nothing more than fluff and a way to funnel money to the Meyer family.

According to a legal health care expert in Ohio, Shelley Meyer’s status as a registered nurse does not obligate her to report domestic violence allegations to police. If Courtney Smith was her patient, she could not legally report the allegations to police. Since she was not her patient, there’s neither a prohibition or obligation to report.

What's next for Urban Meyer and Ohio State? Here are 7 questions that will determine coach's fate

I'm curious as to what you think should happen. I know you're playing devil's advocate most likely, but it's muddying the water with me trying to get an idea of where you sit on this one.

 

[planomateo]

It's pretty simple to me, in this day and age regardless of what moral or legal laws exists, you engage when you find out. We don't live in an age where you sit back and do nothing anymore. Nobody has their right to put their hands on someone like this... People die when these things go unchecked. Is Urban being held to a standard that she isn't holding her family or friends to?

Now, that being said, Urban as the HC of the team has an obligation to engage regardless of what their policy says in my opinion. Having said that, Ohio State has a policy that states as much.

If Urban knew he should be fired. If Shelley knew, she should be fired. If other coaches knew, they should be fired. Simple as that.

Bartenders have been accountable for ~20 years if they allow someone to drive and they know they are too drunk to drive and have an accident.