🏈 ESPN reports on Ohio State--a story that hasn't gone quietly in the good night.

[rick4bama]

Ohio St. places Meyer on administrative leave

He on this then he should be gone! Right?

 

[TUSKtimes]

@TUSKtimes, I'm having a hard time justifying how this falls under Title IX. Even if it is included in that phrase, and even though we're talking about a University employee, the foundation of Title IX is to ensure equal treatment for men and women on campuses. His wife, and their marriage, wouldn't be in a position that would allow the possibility of someone being discriminated against.

Under Title IX it does, however, become the legal conscience of the Ohio State University staff to notify all whom this may concern.

At this juncture, there remains some question over what exactly Meyer knew about Smith's domestic allegations at Ohio State. But it seems clear that if Meyer knew anything about a football staff member, even if charges were never filed, not reporting what he knew violated his contract.

 

[TerryP]

Under Title IX it does, however, become the legal conscience of the Ohio State University staff to notify all whom this may concern.

If they are aware of a Title IX violation. Courtney Smith is not a victim of a Title IX violation. Meyer knowing all of this isn't Meyer knowing a Title IX violation was occurring.

They're calling this a "Joe Paterno situation" on your media outlets. Oh yeah. Another SNAFU moment in the making.

 

[planomateo]

The policy that @TUSKtimes mentioned earlier seems to be a big one - The Ohio State University's Sexual Misconduct Policy 1.15.

From their own TitleIX website, Definitions | Title IX

Don't forget the other accusations underway in Columbus, More Than 100 Former Ohio State Students Allege Sexual Misconduct. They cannot deal with both of these at the same time... Something is going to have to give, seems like it will be the Meyer's.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

@planomateo .... read the article...What beast could do this? Besides doing such...
If one knew....and didn’t react..... as did Paterno... what a shit...
Is the sports fraternity so strong that heads are willingly turned....
damn.... or a DR at a clinic designed to help girls at a school..damn
This wife of assistant coach at OSU... she was an adult she could have done more then tell Meyers wife... she should have never tolerated a second time....
There is no way to tolerate such... either the doer....or if by knowing...you do nothing... shame on such perpetrators

 

[18Champs]

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I would say Mr Hinnen is laying it on a little heavy regarding Jon Taylor.

 

[TerryP]

Interesting thread from an Ohio State site that was shared.

ZACH SMITH DUE IN COURT TODAY

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

Under Title IX it does, however, become the legal conscience of the Ohio State University staff to notify all whom this may concern.

If they are aware of a Title IX violation. Courtney Smith is not a victim of a Title IX violation. Meyer knowing all of this isn't Meyer knowing a Title IX violation was occurring.

They're calling this a "Joe Paterno situation" on your media outlets. Oh yeah. Another SNAFU moment in the making.

I'm not sure what your implications are, other than disagreeing with the magnitude of this transgression in that you don't believe it should be compared to Penn St. OK, that's kind of missing the larger point.

Urban had a new addendum added to his contract, that he clearly violated. He knew of, or reasonably should've known of the domestic violence taking place. He then lied about it, days after Smith was fired (and Smith was fired 15 minutes after McMurphy broke the story about the 2015 incident, which Meyer said was "made up").

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Interesting thread from an Ohio State site that was shared.

ZACH SMITH DUE IN COURT TODAY

This part is very interesting.....was a HC as good as Urban buckle under pressure to protect the guy?

Among the questions the college football community — and presumably Ohio State’s investigation — will be asking: To what extent did Meyer attempt to protect Zach Smith? Did he do it because Smith is a grandson of late Buckeyes coach Earle Bruce, whom Meyer viewed as a father figure?
And ultimately, will this permanently cost Meyer — an Ohio native who is 73-8 with a national title at Ohio State — his job?

Ohio State places Urban Meyer on paid leave after reports he knew of assistant's domestic-abuse allegations

 

[OldPlayer]

Put a fork in him. He's done. There's no way the school can condone what has happened.

 

[TerryP]

Urban had a new addendum added to his contract, that he clearly violated. He knew of, or reasonably should've known of the domestic violence taking place. He then lied about it, days after Smith was fired (and Smith was fired 15 minutes after McMurphy broke the story about the 2015 incident, which Meyer said was "made up").

It's the use of Title IX that bothers me. The fact he lied about it is another part of the whole story.

I don't see it being legal to release Meyer under the Title IX umbrella if she isn't under the "Ohio State community." Title IX is about protection from ... it's not a prosecutor tool. She is a victim, but not one of Ohio State's compliance with Title IX.

I'm not sure what your implications are, other than disagreeing with the magnitude of this transgression in that you don't believe it should be compared to Penn St. OK, that's kind of missing the larger point.

The Penn State reference wasn't mine. It was one thrown out--almost as if it was a talking point--when they were discussing the societal impact (yes, *that's* what we watch ESPN for.)

I agree, and disagree with the comparison. It's true in the sense it's a black eye for Meyer and Ohio State today. I disagree with trying to compare it to Penn State in any shape or form. Except one.

The NCAA had no business in the Penn State affair.
I'm having a hard time seeing how this is linked with Title IX (IF I'm supposed to take Title IX for what it is intended--equal treatment for people within a University's community.)

 

[Tidestalker]

Terry - Urban's "Tell" has always cracked me up. When he gets stressed on the sidelines he's always rubbing his face & combing his side hair with his hand. ALWAYS. It's like he's saying "FML" every single time... Funny you noticed that also... Although it's pretty obvious when he does that he's super stressed

 

[UAgrad93]

If Tressell got canned for lying about autographed items in exchange for tattoos, then no way Urban can survive this!!!!

 

[TUSKtimes]

The Penn State reference wasn't mine. It was one thrown out--almost as if it was a talking point--when they were discussing the societal impact (yes, *that's* what we watch ESPN for.)

I agree, and disagree with the comparison. It's true in the sense it's a black eye for Meyer and Ohio State today. I disagree with trying to compare it to Penn State in any shape or form. Except one.

The NCAA had no business in the Penn State affair.
I'm having a hard time seeing how this is linked with Title IX (IF I'm supposed to take Title IX for what it is intended--equal treatment for people within a University's community.)

What does Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State, Baylor all have in common? The sin of omission. Each pedophile and sexual and domestic abuser was able to stay in business and in all cases thrive in their criminal action because others, fully aware, simply looked the other way.

They are enablers of the same crime. Isn't that the specific term that Courtney Smith applied to Urban Meyer? The Title IX addition holds Meyer contractually to that very crime.

 

[TerryP]

The Penn State reference wasn't mine. It was one thrown out--almost as if it was a talking point--when they were discussing the societal impact (yes, *that's* what we watch ESPN for.)

I agree, and disagree with the comparison. It's true in the sense it's a black eye for Meyer and Ohio State today. I disagree with trying to compare it to Penn State in any shape or form. Except one.

The NCAA had no business in the Penn State affair.
I'm having a hard time seeing how this is linked with Title IX (IF I'm supposed to take Title IX for what it is intended--equal treatment for people within a University's community.)

What does Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State, Baylor all have in common? The sin of omission. Each pedophile and sexual and domestic abuser was able to stay in business and in all cases thrive in their criminal action because others, fully aware, simply looked the other way.

They are enablers of the same crime. Isn't that the specific term that Courtney Smith applied to Urban Meyer?

Okay. What's your point?

Penn State wasn't an NCAA issue. It wasn't a Title IX issue.

Michigan State would be because there were students of Michigan State--a member of the MSU community--who were not protected and complaints overlooked. The same with Baylor. Again, Title IX, but not NCAA.

So far, I don't see any way one can connect his wife with Title IX. That's the point.

What has happened is an entirely different matter.

 

[TerryP]

Urban will be reinstated-because of this interview.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Okay. What's your point?

Penn State wasn't an NCAA issue. It wasn't a Title IX issue.

Michigan State would be because there were students of Michigan State--a member of the MSU community--who were not protected and complaints overlooked. The same with Baylor. Again, Title IX, but not NCAA.

So far, I don't see any way one can connect his wife with Title IX. That's the point.

What has happened is an entirely different matter.

Only in sin, not in omission. That, they all have in common.

The biggest difference between Mr. and Mrs. Meyer is that only one of them had their sin of omission put into the actual contract as a possible firable offense. That means no $40 million dollar contract.

Frankly, if Shelley Meyer didn't follow through with her promise to let her husband know about the abuse she saw with her own eyes, the court of "public opinion," will no doubt get to that as well. It always does.

 

[BamaFan334]

Ohio St. places Meyer on administrative leave

He on this then he should be gone! Right?

I personally think so. No sport or team should be above human decency. It pisses me off what happened at Penn State, it pisses me off what happened at Baylor, it pisses me off that someone like Meyer had knowledge of these things at Florida and let it still happen, and it pisses me off he is doing it again at another program. I just wish they would treat everything the same way they would treat it if it were their own family having to endure these instances. He gonna pat the guy on the back that beats one of his daughter's and still keep him close and act as if nothing ever happened?

 

[rammerjammer]

Frankly, if Shelley Meyer didn't follow through with her promise to let her husband know about the abuse she saw with her own eyes, the court of "public opinion," will no doubt get to that as well. It always does.

As nurse she is obligated to report it. This will not only have an impact on her role as adjunct faculty, it could affect her license as well. (not that she needs either) I'm sure her position is nothing more than fluff and a way to funnel money to the Meyer family.

I just wish they would treat everything the same way they would treat it if it were their own family having to endure these instances

According to a reporter out of Columbus (heard him in an interview on Jox yesterday) stated that the wife sent text messages to her own parents and in-laws when this was transpiring and all she was told was to not press charges. It would ruin his career and they had 2 small children.