🏈 Did ND get ripped last night?

[BigAl]

I don't think FSU would have won last night if that game had been played in South Bend. I just wonder if you think ND got ripped? Since i dont have a dog in that fight i dont really care. But it does seem to me like FSU got some home cooking.

 

[TerryP]

On the PI call?

IF so...

Kelly made the comment "we don't coach illegal plays." OK. There's a difference in a pick and a block. They coach them to pick (or basically get in the receivers way.) If they are coaching them to block, their coaching illegal plays.

 

[bamafan9201]

No, the call seemed correct. The problem is ND ran the same play earlier in the game and it was missed on the call. So FSU coaches and players had said watch for the pick play. They ran the same play and got caught. ND should've just played straight up on the final play instead of trying for that kinda play call

 

[RollllTide!]

I didn't understand it at all. I don't know the rules, however it looked like a good play to me. Please explain the reason for the penalty. Once the player moved back to the line he should have been able to block. I don't care who won but I just want to learn.

 

[UAgrad93]

It was the right call. The wr called for the penalty was too blatant in his attempt to screen or "rub" the defender. Defensive guys call it a pick play while Offensive guys like myself call it a rub route. Everyone at every level has that particular play in their playbook. If the wr had thrown up his arms or had made at least a feeble attempt to cut inside like a slant route, nothing would have been called.

 

[BigAl]

They said something about it on espn while ago and if i understand it right they said 2 receivers cant engage 2 defenders at the same time. Is that right?

 

[UAgrad93]

We always taught our guys to run your "route" but do it close enough to the defender that you interfere with his path to his wr. The kid for ND extended his arms and didn't bother to run a route. If the ball had been thrown behind the LOS, it would've been a screen and therefore legal.

 

[bamafan9201]

The problem is, nobody can be blocking down field when the ball is in the air. Clearly in the video if you watch both players are tossing out a block while the ball is in the air, it's pass interference. Like Uagrad said, if they'd run a route instead of blocking or just stood there and refused to move, they would've probably gotten away with it. These kind of plays are what a lot of teams have been running against Alabama lately from the bunch formation. Rub off and lose defenders in coverage.

 

['65 Cobra]

Look, I can't stand ND, but much of this sounds like a lot of Herbstreit-defending-the-refs regurgitation. It was a ticky tack call that wouldn't have been called 99% of the time in 99% of the games. The guy he was "blocking" could have easily dis-engaged and gone to cover the receiver. He didn't even try because he thought he had help on that side. That's why he yelled at this teammate after the play.

 

[rick4bama]

You may be right it being on the FSU home field, getting that call. I read that FSU on a drive had 12 men in the huddle and it wasn't called. It was an ACC crew that called the game right?

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

The funny part is, if the WR had caught the ball behind the LOS, it wouldn't have been a penalty.

 

[alabama mike]

The good call or bad call, depending on who you wanted to win, couldn't have happened to a more deserving team. All I am going to say is 1966 and 1978.

 

[bamaledge]

I just wanted both teams to lose.

 

[UAgrad93]

I wanted both to lose as well, but the proper call was made. Having coached wrs, I know that I coached them to act as if they are trying to fight thru the coverage and flail their arms. If the wrs did that last night, no flag would've been thrown. Crossing routes over the middle are the same thing. We taught the guys crossing to run close enough on their routes that they actually brushed shoulders. This causes defenders to run into one another about 90% of the time.

 

[TerryP]

These kind of plays are what a lot of teams have been running against Alabama lately from the bunch formation. Rub off and lose defenders in coverage.

True. We do it quite often as well; with a good deal of success.

I wanted both to lose as well, but the proper call was made. Having coached wrs, I know that I coached them to act as if they are trying to fight thru the coverage and flail their arms. If the wrs did that last night, no flag would've been thrown. Crossing routes over the middle are the same thing. We taught the guys crossing to run close enough on their routes that they actually brushed shoulders. This causes defenders to run into one another about 90% of the time.

I caught a bit of an interview with Keshawn Johnson this morning talking about his days in the NFL and play call was "Hollywood Keshawn;" a nod, if you will, to the acting part of the pick.

 

[TerryP]

Much like 2012, statements like this make me think, "Not ready for primetime."

 

[ElephantStomp]

I thought it was a ticky tack call that was a stupid call, but the officiating that game was piss poor all game, so really wasn't a surprise

 

[rick4bama]

Well I'm still not crying over the call. I read somewhere that if FSU was in the SEC, would have two loses. I think it would be more than just two.

 

[TerryP]

Forgive the quality...grabbed my phone and snagged the screen shot from a monitor on my desk...

Both of these receivers never made the turn "west." Neither did anything that resembles a route.

 

[psychojoe]

FSU got flagged for PI in the end zone in the first half. By a strict interpretation of the rules it was the right call, but in practice that amount of contact would have been waved off most of the time.

I have seen ND get the benefit of so many questionable calls over the years that I have no sympathy for them whatever.