| NEWS Deonte Brown, two others suspended from Orange Bowl

[TUSKtimes]

If our guys couldn't pass sample B of a PED test it would seem that all 3 would get the same half-season suspension that was laid on Will Grier. Regardless of whether or not it's a playoff or bowl game. To do anything less would be a major flaw in the NCAA's judgment again.

The fact it's being reported that it's the Orange Bowl could be evidence it's not a drug suspension.

 

[TUSKtimes]

When you think about the Clemson players it's really amazing other guys don't test positive more often. They seem to know very well what passes inspection and when they do get caught, HGH seldom shows up, which shows how proficient they have become in getting the routine down whether it's masking or just knowing the timing of the test. Usually, when a test comes back positive it seems it's almost always something off the grid, like ostarine. Kinda like when Will Grier got busted it was something more exotic out of the GNC store.

 

[alabama mike]

Dumb,dumb and dumb!!

 

[94 Grad]

I realize we're dealing with semantics a bit here, but it's important to note that if this were a NCAA test, they would be ineligible for 50% of the season. This would also carry over until next season.

The University does their own screening outside the NCAA and most notable BEFORE bowl games where the NCAA would be testing. Reason being that they don't want to lose a player for 50% of the games next year. This is also why the players are not allowed to travel with the team, since any player traveling would be tested by the NCAA. The University test are handled under the University policy of rules (team rules). The punishment is delivered according to the guileless set forward for the offense.

Do we know if they failed a drug test... no. Will we ever know what really what down... most likely not. Does it really matter, no... 'cause regardless of what they did, they will not play. However, if I was a betting person, I'd lay odds on the failed University Drug test for non-PED.

 

[94 Grad]

If our guys couldn't pass sample B of a PED test it would seem that all 3 would get the same half-season suspension that was laid on Will Grier. Regardless of whether or not it's a playoff or bowl game. To do anything less would be a major flaw in the NCAA's judgment again.

The fact it's being reported that it's the Orange Bowl could be evidence it's not a drug suspension.

There is a difference in a University test and an NCAA test. If the University test positive for non-PED like marijuana, the NCAA isn't notified and the punishment is handled by the policies set forward by the University. I believe the only time the NCAA would be notified of a University test of positive would be for PEDs. The Clemson kids where hit for a PED violation on a University test, and if the sample B confirms they'll lose 50% of the next year too.

I'm not sure what Alabama's currently policy is, but it used to be 1st - none, 2nd 15%, 3rd 1 year, 4th dismissal. So if this was a 1st offense, the player would be able to play right away; however, being a bowl game where the NCAA is testing they may be suspended and left home to avoid a possible failed NCAA test. If it's a 2nd offense then they'd miss two games.

Again, we don't know what they did to get a 1 game suspension so it's just speculation. I'm just basing my GUESS on the high likely hood of marijuana use among many of the players and students and the timing makes it a very likely possibility.

 

[#80]

If Deonta can get out of the dog house maybe the extra time off will help with that turf toe.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

If Deonta can get out of the dog house maybe the extra time off will help with that turf toe.

Remember back......a Steeler LB got turf toe....never really fully recovered from it...
Ham or Lambert.... 70s somewhere

 

[TerryP]

Do we know if they failed a drug test... no.

There's the very thing I was trying to point out: players doing what they should have been doing vs player doing things they should not be doing.

 

[Tidestalker]

If our guys couldn't pass sample B of a PED test it would seem that all 3 would get the same half-season suspension that was laid on Will Grier. Regardless of whether or not it's a playoff or bowl game. To do anything less would be a major flaw in the NCAA's judgment again.

The fact it's being reported that it's the Orange Bowl could be evidence it's not a drug suspension.

There is a difference in a University test and an NCAA test. If the University test positive for non-PED like marijuana, the NCAA isn't notified and the punishment is handled by the policies set forward by the University. I believe the only time the NCAA would be notified of a University test of positive would be for PEDs. The Clemson kids where hit for a PED violation on a University test, and if the sample B confirms they'll lose 50% of the next year too.

I'm not sure what Alabama's currently policy is, but it used to be 1st - none, 2nd 15%, 3rd 1 year, 4th dismissal. So if this was a 1st offense, the player would be able to play right away; however, being a bowl game where the NCAA is testing they may be suspended and left home to avoid a possible failed NCAA test. If it's a 2nd offense then they'd miss two games.

Again, we don't know what they did to get a 1 game suspension so it's just speculation. I'm just basing my GUESS on the high likely hood of marijuana use among many of the players and students and the timing makes it a very likely possibility.

Great info there! And makes a ton of sense if accurate... Thank!

 

[TerryP]

Great info there! And makes a ton of sense if accurate... Thank!

It is, to a point.

It was a NCAA test, not a University test. Clemson's athletic department was notified last Thursday of the failed test--by the NCAA.

The Clemson kids where hit for a PED violation on a University test, and if the sample B confirms they'll lose 50% of the next year too.

I believe this is changed a bit but I don't recall the exact numbers. Each school in the SEC/NCAA has different rules in place. As I recall, there were only two or three that had the same policy Alabama did when I learned of how they handled out suspensions for drug matters.

I'm not sure what Alabama's currently policy is, but it used to be 1st - none, 2nd 15%, 3rd 1 year, 4th dismissal.

There are some that didn't make it to the "suspended for a year" stage. Robby Green, and his "purple drank," is a specific example.

 

[TUSKtimes]

There is a difference in a University test and an NCAA test. If the University test positive for non-PED like marijuana, the NCAA isn't notified and the punishment is handled by the policies set forward by the University. I believe the only time the NCAA would be notified of a University test of positive would be for PEDs. The Clemson kids where hit for a PED violation on a University test, and if the sample B confirms they'll lose 50% of the next year too.

It's the reason that the Honeybadger said a few years ago that he failed over 10 marijuana test before Les threw him off the team. I would say off that confession alone that LSU didn't have much of a drug-policy at the time.

 

[94 Grad]

It's the reason that the Honeybadger said a few years ago that he failed over 10 marijuana test before Les threw him off the team. I would say off that confession alone that LSU didn't have much of a drug-policy at the time.

HoneyBadger was on "spice" which was a synthetic marijuana. I believe at the time LSU didn't have a policy regarding that substance... along with a lot of other schools. Now they do.

 

[TUSKtimes]

HoneyBadger was on "spice" which was a synthetic marijuana. I believe at the time LSU didn't have a policy regarding that substance... along with a lot of other schools. Now they do.

It's not what he said. It wasn't what the police said when they arrested him in Baton Rouge around the same time for possession.

 

[TerryP]

HoneyBadger was on "spice" which was a synthetic marijuana. I believe at the time LSU didn't have a policy regarding that substance... along with a lot of other schools. Now they do.

There was an interview with LaRon Landry about Mathieu where he said he thought LSU's suspension for one game for using K2 was a "slap on the hand" and that was pretty indicative of how he was handled. As I recall, the interview was in 2012 before the season started and it was referring to the LSU game versus Auburn. Landry adopted that mentor role with Mathieu.

I'm fairly sure it was Jon Solomon who penned the report although I recall Scarbinsky weighing in on the subject as well. At that time, based on what was reported, LSU wasn't the only school in the SEC that tested for K2. I believe there were as many as seven that had that in their drug protocol (while the NCAA was still trying to develop their's.) Alabama was one of those mentioned as a school that tested for K2.

(I remember this largely due to what was happening with Ole Miss players a few years later. When that report was published, six of the seven schools in the SEC west had test for K2--Ole Miss was the lone exception. I also recall South Carolina as one of the schools from the east that had their protocol in place.)

This was all about the same time we saw those players from Auburn being arrested and one admitting he was smoking K2 the night before that armed robbery. (Bullshit excuse, but that's another subject for another day.)

 

[94 Grad]

HoneyBadger was on "spice" which was a synthetic marijuana. I believe at the time LSU didn't have a policy regarding that substance... along with a lot of other schools. Now they do.

It's not what he said. It wasn't what the police said when they arrested him in Baton Rouge around the same time for possession.

Sources: LSU players tested for synthetic pot

Not according to the reports when he was suspended...

 

[TerryP]

@94 Grad, from 2012.

How bad had it become for Mathieu? New York Jets safety LaRon Landry, a former LSU star who had become a mentor to Mathieu, told Yahoo! Sports he felt Mathieu's one-game suspension by LSU for using synthetic marijuana last season was "a slap on the hand." Landry's opinion of Mathieu's alleged behavior: "Enough is enough." ​

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The NCAA is trying to create drug-testing protocol to soon test for synthetic marijuana at its championships. At least eight SEC schools -- Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi State, South Carolina and Texas A&M -- told Scarbinsky they test for synthetic marijuana and their penalties for a positive test are the same as for traditional marijuana.​

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Tyrann Mathieu properly addresses his demons first before returning to football

 

[94 Grad]

@94 Grad, from 2012.

How bad had it become for Mathieu? New York Jets safety LaRon Landry, a former LSU star who had become a mentor to Mathieu, told Yahoo! Sports he felt Mathieu's one-game suspension by LSU for using synthetic marijuana last season was "a slap on the hand." Landry's opinion of Mathieu's alleged behavior: "Enough is enough." ​

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The NCAA is trying to create drug-testing protocol to soon test for synthetic marijuana at its championships. At least eight SEC schools -- Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi State, South Carolina and Texas A&M -- told Scarbinsky they test for synthetic marijuana and their penalties for a positive test are the same as for traditional marijuana.​

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Tyrann Mathieu properly addresses his demons first before returning to football

Do you mean that for me or Tusk.. ?? Cause you and I are on the same page I believe....

 

[TUSKtimes]

Do you mean that for me or Tusk.. ?? Cause you and I are on the same page I believe....

Emotional Tyrann Mathieu admits to regrets, says marijuana usage is ...

www.espn.com/.../emotional-tyrann-mathieu-admits-regrets-says-marijuana-usage-hi...

And there's this:

At approximately 3:30pm Thursday, officers were dispatched to an apartment at 262 West State in Baton Rouge in reference to a complaint about a man attempting to force his way in to the complex through a security gate, police said. According to police news release: The man was confronted by a maintenance worker and words were exchanged. Before officers arrived the man had been let into the complex by a resident and was seen going into an apartment. When officers went to the apartment and knocked on the door it was answered by the resident, Tyrann Mathieu, age 20, police said.
"Officers immediately smelled a strong odor of marijuana and obtained consent from Mathieu to search the apartment", a police news release said. "Inside they found three other men, including the one who had allegedly tried to force his way through the gate. He was identified as Jordan Jefferson," police said. Police said the other two men were identified as Bryant and Hatcher.​

"So Tyrann Mathieu gets arrested for smoking weed in his own apartment because Jordan Jefferson is too stupid to figure out how a gate works? That is some serious bullshit."


And there's this:

Tyrann Mathieu said he failed at least 10 drug tests at LSU, report says ...

Tyrann Mathieu said he failed at least 10 drug tests at LSU, report says

 

[94 Grad]

@tusk...

There are multiple news outlets that reported the use of SYNTHETIC marijuana by TM. He failed up to 10 drug test because LSU was testing for Synthetic marijuana; however, they didn't have a policy in place for the use of it like many other programs. So, although he tested positive for it... there was no consequence to be had. When they finally got a policy in place he was suspended from the team when he failed the next test for Synthetic marijuana use.

I have no doubt he used "regular" marijuana too....

 

[TUSKtimes]

There are multiple news outlets that reported the use of SYNTHETIC marijuana by TM. He failed up to 10 drug test because LSU was testing for Synthetic marijuana; however, they didn't have a policy in place for the use of it like many other programs. So, although he tested positive for it... there was no consequence to be had. When they finally got a policy in place he was suspended from the team when he failed the next test for Synthetic marijuana use.

I have no doubt he used "regular" marijuana too....

Which would explain the contraband in his car and the "smoke" in his room.